West Virginia Democrat Uses Heidi Heitkamp Approach For Talking Gun Control

Heidi Heitkamp

Senator Joe Manchin, the West Virginia Democrat who once shot a copy of a cap and trade bill with a rifle in a campaign ad, has been going back and forth on gun rights issues since the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting shoved the issue into the national limelight. First he was pro-gun control, then against it, and now he’s back to being pro-gun control again:

“Do you think there should be more gun control laws?” Tantaros asked Manchin directly.

Manchin responded, “I believe that you have to have an approach, to where everything is on the table. Now, when you say ‘gun control,’ I just don’t think it’s a one-issue problem. That’s why people keep talking about that, and people keep wanting to say ‘yes’ or ‘no,’ ‘are you for this or against it?’ We’re in an environment in Washington where your guilty by conversation.”

Manchin continued, hinting that he would favor a renewing of the “assault weapons” ban: “I don’t have a so-called assault weapon. I’m a proud gun owner. I have many guns, I don’t have that type of a gun.” Manchin acknowledged that he used one of his bolt action rifles to shoot the cap and trade bill in one of his campaign ads.

What’s interesting to me is that this seems to be the exact same path North Dakota Senator Heidi Heitkamp took on gun control. She got a lot of media attention, and praise from the right, for calling President Obama’s not-yet-proposed gun control measures “extreme.” Yet, when an anti-gun group targeted her with some negative advertising run both here in North Dakota and in some DC media outlets, Heitkamp retreated to Manchin’s “everything is on the table” position.

“Senator Heitkamp believes the discussion and ultimate solution to these mass violence tragedies must go beyond a singular focus on gun laws, and that the discussion must examine mental health, school security, and community development to help parents identify and address children potentially suffering from mental illness,” Heitkamp’s office said in a release responding to the attack ads. “Senator Heitkamp has clearly stated that all options must be on the table when it comes to addressing gun violence in America.”

It’s almost like these supposedly “moderate” Democrats get some sort of a manual or guide instructing them on how to dissemble when confronted with inconvenient issues.

But such is the plight of liberal politicians tasked with representing right-of-center constituencies. They are forced to walk a tight rope between the more conservative views of voters and their personal left-wing views.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • matthew_bosch

    Here is a response I recently received from Senator Hoeven:

    Thank you for contacting me regarding possible firearms legislation. I appreciate having the benefit of your views and welcome the opportunity to respond.

    In the wake of the tragic shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newton Connecticut, a national conversation has commenced about how we can prevent such horrific crimes from recurring. Like parents across the nation, Mikey and I have grieved the loss of life in Newtown, Connecticut.

    In response to the shooting, Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) announced she will introduce legislation to ban certain types of assault firearms. Senator Feinstein has not yet formally introduced a bill, so details about the legislation are not yet available. However, there is widespread public concern about any proposal to restrict Americans’ Second Amendment rights.

    Like you, I am a strong supporter of Second Amendment rights. Law abiding gun owners should not be subjected to unnecessary and burdensome regulations. Congress must work together to find way to ensure public safety in a manner that does not infringe upon gun owners’ constitutional rights. As we begin the 113th Congress, please be assured that I will closely monitor any legislation affecting your right to keep and bear arms.

    Again, thank you for taking the time to contact me. If you have further concerns, please do not hesitate to contact my office at (202) 224-2551.
    Sincerely,

    John Hoeven
    United States Senator

    • camsaure

      You forgot to mention whether we could trust you or not. Nice form letter though, John.

      • matthew_bosch

        We can trust Senator Hoeven will move in whatever direction that furthers his political career.

    • $8194357

      I got the same canned letter just inserting a different topic.
      Same ones Comrade Kent and Dorrgon used IMO.

      • matthew_bosch

        Agree.

    • SusanBeehler

      What is Senator Hoeven going to do to address gun violence and not just sit ready to push a button on someone else’s bill?

  • mickey_moussaoui

    .

    • $8194357

      Enuff said…
      I like that mickey.

  • Terry

    Is there any reason to believe Heitkamp will be any different than Dorgan or Conrad? As long as she can fly under the radar, protected from exposure by the North Dakota media, she will vote with her liberal comrades. When she feels exposed, she will vote conservative. The problem for her is when the vote is so close that the liberals need her vote and when she cannot hide from exposure of her vote. This is what happened to Conrad and Dorgan. Yes votes were need from both of these idiots in order to pass Obamacare and they couldn’t hide from this important vote as they usually do. So they voted with their comrades. It’s not difficult to predict what will happen if gun control legislation is voted on. This will be too big of a vote for Heitkamp to hide from so it will come down to numbers. If her vote is absolutely necessary for passage, she will vote for gun control in order to please her masters in the democrat party and hope people forget 6 years later when it is time for re-election. If her vote will not matter one way or the other, she will vote against gun control in order to stay in the good graces of North Dakotans.

  • Mike Quinn

    I voted for Heidi, gave her money, and admire her, but she is making a big mistake pandering to the gun nuts. She could push for some reasonable controls on guns like licensing, and registration. She could push to have Radio Frequency Identification Devices placed in the guns used to commit violence. If RFID devices were placed in guns the guns would set off and alarm when the gun nut gets near a school. A very simple cost effective way to keep six year olds from being killed by the NRA bunch.

    • Onslaught1066

      Got impeached for diddling 6 year olds, did you?

      The leading cause of dead 6 year olds is live democrats.

      • Old Curmudgeon

        More correctly, it is the democratic supported lack of social values and being held to standard necessary for a civilized society…

        • Onslaught1066

          I just thought it was all the registered democrats shooting up schools.

          • SusanBeehler

            Cyber bully

          • Dave

            Spineless cyber sissy…AKA dem/lib

          • SusanBeehler

            cyber bully

          • Onslaught1066

            You support democrats shooting up elementary schools?

          • SusanBeehler

            No, do you support republicans shooting up elementary schools?

          • Onslaught1066

            I haven’t seen any republicans shooting up elementary schools, I have seen democrats shooting up elementary schools.

            You’re the one who expressed dismay at someone decrying democrats shooting up elementary schools so asking you if you support such things is a fair question.

            BTW due to actions taken on your part, I call BS on your denial of support for democrats shooting up elementary schools.

      • SusanBeehler

        Cyber Bully

        • Onslaught1066

          You support diddling 6 year olds?

          Or just dead 6 year olds?

          • SusanBeehler

            Do you support diddling 6 year olds or just dead 6 year olds?

          • Onslaught1066

            I asked you first, Girth.

          • SusanBeehler

            Cyber bully

    • Old Curmudgeon

      Mike, your support of Heidi already reveals your inability to make a rational decision! She has proven multiple times through the years she is the same as Dorgan and Conrad…say one thing vote with the lefties…

      • SusanBeehler

        So how come so many of your “conservative” buddies voted for her too? It was not all “lefties” who voted for her.

        • Onslaught1066

          Actually it was all leftists, be they democrats or RINOs.

          English is not your forte’, is it hanniturdette?

          • SusanBeehler

            Cyber Bully

          • Onslaught1066

            The cowardly lib is always fearful of the truth.

            Would you rather be known as “hanniturdette” or “hanniturdlet”?

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            Can’t remember the last time someone anyone on this blog started whining “Cyber Bully”—liberal trolls included.

          • Onslaught1066

            hanniturd used Cyber Stalker, same thing, that’s why Susy Q™ scarfing Susy gets a new handle.

          • SusanBeehler

            Cyber bully

          • SusanBeehler

            I can add you to the cyber bully list too.

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            Just a small refiner’s fire. I should tell you that I am already married.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matthew-Meza/100000002241648 Matthew Meza

      Registration is a bad idea. Ask those who survived Nazi Germany. RFID chips can be rendered useless quite easily. What do you mean by “guns used to commit violence.”? All guns can hypothetically be used to commit violence along with knives, stones, fire, sticks, baseball bats, clothes line, animals, box cutters, explosives, hammers, a sturdy pen, shoe lace, etc. The only way you can predict what “guns used to commit violence” would be is in the world of The Minority Report. Even if you had a homicidal maniac with a gun that had an RFID chip that didn’t render it useless, all that would accomplish is to annoy and distract the dispatcher and LEO while he/she went on their rampage.

      PS – And that last statement “to keep six year olds from being killed by the NRA bunch.” is so disgraceful. How many of these savage animals were NRA members? None. If so, we would have heard all about it by the So Called media because it would fit their agenda. No, most are Democrat and Liberal leaning, and just plain evil psychopaths.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Matthew-Meza/100000002241648 Matthew Meza

        What needs to be done is to get back to Morality being a virtue and not just a word thrown around. Also, we need to be able to actually pay attention and get involved when we have a troubled individual who needs help. Most of these killers are people that show all kinds of signs, but no one wants to get involved until it is too late.

        • $8194357

          The left relies on political correctness and its false morality..
          Communists said that they would use a false moral high ground to defeat a true moral people..

      • SusanBeehler

        What kind of argument is “a alarm is annoying” when you are trying to prevent a mass shooting? PS the last part is no more disgraceful than what other say about those who want some kind of solution to reduce gun violence and your “evil psychopath” is not disgraceful. If you produce the NRA membership list we could search for the mothers, fathers, grandfathers and maybe even grandma who allowed their guns to be stolen or used for these mass shootings, heck maybe they could use Adam Lanza’s mom for a NRA marketing campaign, because she surely did help gun and ammo sales take a jump, she had to sacrifice her life for it but the NRA surely knows their market, KiLLINGS equal fantastic GUN Sales! Gun owners seem to fall for their pitch “man” or in this case pitch “Mom” now that is disgraceful. Also shows fear and insecurity drive sales.

        • yy4u2

          Allowed their guns to be stolen? You must be a hoot at coffee break.

          • SusanBeehler

            You think these moms, dads and grandfathers haven’t made it easy for their sons, grandsons to steal/borrow their guns for the mass shootings when the shooter did not have their own gun but used their moms, dad or grandfathers. What a hoot if you don’t think, they contributed by giving easy access to their guns?

      • SusanBeehler

        I have not heard many Nazi survivors talk about gun registration as being the problem with Hilter? Would you site a source for this argument? Nazi’s used many methods to control their people. Firm allegiance to their political party was one of them, this is why they killed along with Jews, groups who would not pledge their allegiance to Hilter and his regimen. FEAR is a very powerful motivator look at how many people were motivated to buy guns after Sandy Hook. No gun needed if you can paralyze with FEAR, I wonder if this is what is going on in the Republican controlled house, they seem to be “paralyzed”, grid-locked.

        • camsaure

          that is because you only hear what you want to hear, as usual

    • PK

      “keep six year olds from being killed by the NRA bunch.”
      I’m not even in the NRA and i take offense to that. Did i kill those kids just because i own an M4? Why don’t we all get RFID chips and turn our society into a giant prison so we can all be safe?

      • two_amber_lamps

        Don’t throw ideas out there for douchers like that… they’ll agree to it in a heartbeat….

        • SusanBeehler

          cyber bully

          • two_amber_lamps

            Oh Ms. SuzyB…. I’m HURT!

            BWahhahahahahahahahahahahaaaa!

      • SusanBeehler

        Guns are not people that is why RFID chips could be an option. I take offense with gun owners in being so “responsible” have only one solution more guns just like I take offense with the only solution being taking away guns, both all or nothing kind of thinking is offensive. At least RFID might be a valid idea, doing nothing is offensive.

    • SusanBeehler

      I wonder if we would have so many guns going near schools, the alarm would end up like car alarms and the shoplifting alarms at the stores going off and no one responds, it surely would be a way to know how many times guns come near schools. The RFID could serve another purpose locating where your gun is at, if it is stolen. A pin number established by the gun owner could allow access to even lock it if necessary. What a cool app that would be?!

  • http://ndgoon.blogspot.com Goon

    I guess they’re poll testing comments now…

  • $8194357

    San Antonio Shooting

    On Sunday, 2 days after the CT shooting, a man went to a restaurant in San Antonio to kill his ex-girlfriend. After he shot her, most of the people in the restaurant fled next door to a theater. The gunman followed them and entered the theater so he could shoot more people. He started shooting and people in the theater started running and screaming. It’s like the Aurora, CO theater story plus a restaurant! Now aren’t you wondering why this isn’t a lead story in the national media along with the school shooting? There was an off duty county sheriff’s deputy at the theater. She pulled out her gun and shot the man 4 times before he had a chance to kill anyone. So since this story makes the point that the best thing to stop a bad person with a gun is a good person with a gun, the media is treating it like it never happened. Only the local media covered it. The city is giving her a medal next week.

    ……Just thought you’d like to know.

    • SusanBeehler

      Maybe you were on this blog and missed the story, I seen it on National media. I don’t think it necessarily was “a good person with a gun”, it was a person trained in how to handle a situation like this, they just happened to be at the scene. There could be a huge difference between a gun owner and a off duty deputy.

      • $8194357

        Make a Wish Foundation granted me a visit from Susan…
        How wonderful……

        • SusanBeehler

          Your welcome

          • $8194357

            ( I don’t think )
            First time in a long time we agree on anything.
            Barrys on TV pushing your anti gun agenda Susan.
            Go watch Barry lie for the cause, now, hear…

          • SusanBeehler

            Who is Barry?

          • two_amber_lamps

            Wow…. just plain wow… how long have you been reading this blog?

          • Onslaught1066

            She can read?

          • two_amber_lamps

            Why read when you can “feel”…..

            Bwahahahhahaaahahahahaaaa!

          • $8194357

            Barrak’s name was legally changed to Barry Soreto
            when adopted by his indonisian muslim father Lolo Soreto
            and declared a muslim to go to school in Indonisia.
            After his mothers divorce from Lolo, no records of Barrys changing his name back to Barrak were ever produced, filed or found…

            .His real legal name is Barry Soreto….

            As a result of lieng about this on his law licence in Illionois…
            Barry surendered his law license rather than have a full blown investigation..

      • $8194357

        The history of the ideology of political correctness Democratic party platform.

        Used to destroy the western host culture…

        Take 10 minutes and check out where your belief
        systems root systems draws from Susan..

        Used to DESTROY the target and brand all opposition to the agenda
        as not to be tollerated…But in the name of ‘tolerance’ of course..

        The breeding ground of the New Left Communist….
        Political Correct intolerance of other view points than
        the leftist quest for utopian false enlightenment.

        Acadamia is full of false enlightenement, intolerance of opposing
        traditional conservitive view points and self importance…
        And it became the Democratic platform for “Change”.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh2DdJLycPM

        • Neiman

          I occurred to me today, as I was thinking about Obama’s focus on gun control (confiscation); on quite a few occasions I have heard him and others emphasize mental health screening. Well, okay we all can see how we want anyone that is mentally unbalanced and prone to violence denied guns, sounds like a rational approach, right? I also recall that Hitler and Stalin both emphasized mental health, looking for mental defectives and they included anyone daring to oppose their rule, their ultimate, absolute power, right?

          Well, I was wondering since most liberals here accuse all conservatives of being mentally unbalanced anyway, if I were Obama with his dictatorial tendencies and a desire for absolute power, why wouldn’t I use this health care screening as an excuse to deny gun permits to all conservatives, all fundamentalist, non-liberal Christians, to ex-military with any Republican leanings, etc.

          So, I see the potential of this seemingly benign mental health screening as a means to deny all but liberals any gun permits at all and even to institutionalize folk, like Hitler and Stalin in mental health institutions (gulags), for their own good of course and we can easily see the next step in ridding society of these mental defectives, Hitler and Stalin showed the way.

          A bit of a sinister double edge sword to my way of thinking.

          • $8194357

            Did you see in the video that they would call anyone
            opposing the agendas crazy?
            To be totally “intolerant” to the
            old conservitive point of view.

            I been thinking what you stated for along time..

            WHO gets to determine the critieria for mental problems?
            The tyranist left of course…Its a win win for them.

            They either get to take the guns or brand the people unfit…
            I saw that coming quite awhile back…
            Leftist love secular psyco/babble Dr. Phil B/S to justify
            their false moralaity and tyranical agendas……

            Look how they reacted to Palin going to a Bible believing Church…
            We crazies who believe in the invisable friend in the sky kind of leftist tyrany used many time thru out history.

          • SusanBeehler

            I agree, a mental health screening might not be so seemingly benign. Who would be the determiner of the mental health of an individual, government hired services? I think if any type of personal history would want to be considered, instead of just a felony preventing ownership, maybe a history of repeat offenses of a certain degree. The worst thing would be allowing something like a “consumer” report which prevents people from getting affordable home owner insurance and even is preventing some from getting employment.

          • Neiman

            We must always be wary of unintended consequences to every State policy/law.

          • $8194357

            The unitendended seems to line up perfect with the anti American deconstruction from with in the PC folks from the Fraknfort scholl so desired.
            Strange how that works and is tolerated huh.

          • Onslaught1066

            “and even is preventing some from getting real employment.”

            Hence your “threw shoe renew”?

          • SusanBeehler

            Ha ha ha! Where is your place employment? I work for myself and I work elsewhere for an international corporation but for security reasons I do not divulge this on my facebook page. I thought Republicans and conservatives bloggers were all about the entrepreneur. What do you do besides bullying on blogs?or maybe you are just a tired old man.

          • Onslaught1066

            “I work for myself”

            So does a panhandler, means nothing.

            I keep my private life private, so your inquiry is a non starter.

            Liars often make wild claims they fail to back up, hanniturd is one such as are you, the newest member of the hanni- family.

            Winos are not entrepreneurs simply because they can scrounge up enough change to keep them in booze, again, means nothing.

            I do not answer to you, hanniturdlet.

            Racist and ageist, nice tolerant liberal you are.

          • SusanBeehler

            “I work for myself.”
            There you go again with the nasty name-calling:
            pan handler,liars,hanni-family member, wino, hanniturdlet, racist, ageist and than the “label” nice tolerant liberal: bad habit you have.

            Cyber bully

          • Onslaught1066

            I don’t see you taking the moral high road, toots.

            Do unto others as you would have done unto you.

            You have demonstrated that you have no problem with name calling, hanniturdlet.

          • SusanBeehler

            Name calling again: toots, hanniturdlet
            Cyber bully

          • Onslaught1066

            Boo hoo, what a cry baby.

          • SusanBeehler

            Name calling again: cry baby
            Cyber bully

          • Onslaught1066

            Whelk.

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