UPDATE: Senate Passes Two Anti-Abortion Bills, Mathern Amendment Backfires

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The ND State Senate passed two anti-abortion bills in floor session on Monday.

SB 2368 would forbid abortions with limited exceptions after 20 weeks of gestation, which is the timeframe at which a fetus can feel pain. The bill passed 30-17.

UPDATE: Votes for SB 2368 were as follows:

YEAS:
(R) Andrist; Armstrong; Berry; Bowman; Burckhard; Campbell; Carlisle; Cook; Dever; Erbele; Hogue; Kilzer; Klein; Laffen; Larsen; Lee, G.; Luick; Miller; Poolman; Schaible; Sitte; Sorvaag; Unruh; Wanzek; Wardner

(D) Dotzenrod; Grabinger; Mathern; O’Connell; Robinson

NAYS:
(R) Anderson; Flakoll; Grindberg; Holmberg; Krebsbach; Lee, J.; Lyson; Oehlke

(D) Axness; Heckaman; Marcellais; Murphy; Nelson; Schneider; Sinner; Triplett; Warner

SB 2303 made it’s second trip to the Senate floor after being referred back to this body from Appropriations without committee recommendation. Sen Tim Mathern was successful during the first floor vote on Feb 7th to add an amendment which requires the Department of Human Services (DHS) to expand medicaid coverage for pregnant women to the maximum allowed under federal law, and requires medicaid equivalent coverage be provided to pregnant women who do not have private insurance and who exceed the maximum in allowed under Medicaid.

This was of course done not out of concern for mother and child, but to set 2303 up for death by fiscal note. The note, provided by DHS, placed the estimated impact to the general fund at around $9.7 million; although questions were raised whether these services are already bought, paid for, and provided by DHS today.

The bill passed by a close 24-23 vote, and will now move on to the House.

UPDATE: Votes for SB 2303 were as follows. In a review of the votes, the amendment offered by Sen Mathern actually backfired. He was the lone Democrat to vote in favor of 2303 due to his amendment, and because of this, provided the one vote needed to pass the bill.

That is not to excuse the eleven Republican’s who went against Resolution 27 of their own party platform, specifically:

… WHEREAS: The North Dakota Republican Party supports a ban on abortion.

THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED: That the North Dakota Republican Party reaffirms its long-standing support of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution of the United States in the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments, and the National Republican Party Platforms, with respect to human rights and reaffirms its historic support for the sanctity of human life, from conception to natural death.

But, going against the party platform and conservative ideals is nothing new for many of those calling themselves Republican who voted NAY on 2303.

2303 votes:

YEAS:
(R) Andrist; Berry; Bowman; Burckhard; Campbell; Carlisle; Cook; Dever; Erbele; Hogue; Kilzer; Klein; Laffen; Larsen; Lee, G.; Luick; Miller; Schaible; Sitte; Sorvaag; Unruh; Wanzek; Wardner

(D) Mathern

NAYS:
(R) Anderson; Armstrong; Flakoll; Grabinger; Grindberg; Holmberg; Krebsbach; Lee, J.; Lyson; Oehlke; Poolman

(D) Axness; Dotzenrod; Heckaman; Marcellais; Murphy; Nelson; O’Connell; Robinson; Schneider; Sinner; Triplett; Warner

Both bill passages, especially 2303, were big victories for the pro-life movement in North Dakota. SB 2303 was basically the HB 1450 bill from the 2011 session which passed the House confidently, but was killed in the Senate via procedure. This action had many in the pro-life movement wondering if it was killed so Senators would not have to go on record on this bill, and Governor Dalrymple would not have to go on record whether he would sign it into law or veto it. Many also point to Sen Curtis Olafson’s role in this procedural kill of HB 1450 as the reason why he lost out to Sen Joe Miller during the redistricting race.

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  • Lianne

    yes, one senator’s comments were a bit snarky! Tsk! Tsk! But work well done by the Senate.

  • ec99

    Legislators can continue to posture. Roe v Wade is still the law of the land, and all of these will eventually be struck down at a huge legal cost to the ste.

    • RCND

      Your right. Guess we should just give up on protecting life. It’s kinda like slavery. We gave up the fight to end that practice with the Dred Scott case when the Supreme Court said it was ok. Oh wait…

      Roe vs Wade relied upon accidental characteristics to argue against the fetus’ essential personhood. The Court’s ruling is indefensible in light of moral and medical arguments that prove the humanity of the unborn. In ruling against protection of the unborn, the Court ignored the intention of John A. Bingham, an author of the Fourteenth Amendment. Bingham called the Constitution a bulwark designed to protect the “sacred rights to life, liberty and property” which belong to “any and every human being.”

      In simple terms, Roe vs Wade stated that we have a Constitutional right to exterminate our posterity. However, this claim contradicts the assertion of the Preamble of the Constitution that America exists to “secure” the “blessings of liberty” to “our posterity.”

      Roe vs Wade is based on a fraudulent “interpretation” of the Constitution. Therefore we are morally bound to fight for it to be overturned through all means possible, including state legislation

      • ec99

        Doesn’t matter whether you agree or disagree, or believe Blackmun was an angel from Hell. Roe v. Wade stands, and these bills will be ruled unconstitutional, as others have been in the past.

        • RCND

          If you want to quit fighting for what’s is right, go ahead. Looks like you already have

          • ec99

            It isn’t a fight…it’s getting a consitutional amendment. Only that would overrule R v W. Do you believe that will ever survive the process?

          • RCND

            It is very much a fight. And both can be done at the same time. It isn’t an either or thing. We have to do this law now while the legislature is in session. And Roe can be overturned with the right arguments made.

            What have you done to get the amendment going?

          • Camburn

            I am not happy at the prospect of my tax money being used to establish another layer of legal precedent that will hinder any possible overturn in the future of Roe/Wade.
            This bill is pro death. The only outcome will be another nail in the coffin.

            My heart weeps in sorrow.

    • Guest Observer

      Hi Ladd!

  • RLM

    well well, isn’t that special

    so, legislators who believe that going through a background check to buy a firearm at a gun show is an attack on personal liberty

    have no problem telling a woman what she can or cannot do with her body

    or legislators who believe that dinosaurs roamed around in the garden of Eden eating leaves while Adam and Eve watched

    are actually using “science” in part of their bill?

    so, whatever happened to the party of small government…leave us all alone republicans that I grew up with

    idiots

    • Opinion8ed

      It is not her body alone, when a child is in it. Someone needs to be the child advocate, since most times, we, the taxpayer, will be providing Medicaid, sic, snap, section 8, or some kind of public sustainable. Consider this no different then those who insist the I wear my seat belts, smoke out in the cold, go to jail for driving home after a beer, eat a hostess Twinkie and wash it down with a large coke, cut my grass to an acceptable height, try to force me to sort my trash, register my digital phone box with FCC, force me to provide insurance to my adult children, you get the picture…

      • Opinion8ed

        Autocorrect… Grrrr

    • ACF1

      What this legislation doesn’t have anything to do with what a woman can or cannot do with her body. The legislation has to do with what a woman can do with another body (the baby).

  • liberal

    only good gay is a dead gay

    • RLM

      hey…just wondered if you attend Westboro Baptist Church…
      you might fit right in

      maybe you should go picket a funeral or something

      • liberal

        post your contact information & we will be in touch, all gays must be turned in for the reward & registered.

      • liberal

        gays are proof there is a God as gays are mistakes, weak minded as they commit suicide because they know what they are is sick & needs to die ;)

  • Lianne

    RLM, “have no problem telling a woman what she can or cannot do with her body’.
    I assume that you are pro-life, not pro-birth as differeniated by Re. Hawken. A woman does not become impregnated by random sperm blowing in the wind, or from drinking the water, or any other such random source. A woman has the right to say what see can and can not due with and to her body prior to and right up to the act that does often end in pregnancy. THAT is when woman should control her body.

    • http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

      That’s why it’s rational to consider an exception because of rape.

      • Lianne

        I have never said that rape or incest should not be exempt. However, I do know those who have been raped, and could not abort the baby.

    • Opinion8ed

      At what point does someone speak for the child?

      • Lianne

        Not sure I understand your question. If a woman is really in control of her body, her decisions would greatly reduce the chance of an unwanted pregnancy; therefore there would be no child.

  • liberal

    is it true to become a registered democrat you have to perform an abortion? kill a baby become a democrat

  • Robert

    SB 2303 passed! yayy! not only when unborn children (and their mothers) be protected from the injuries of abortion, but the mothers will also have maximum health coverage.
    i don’t think it’s the role of government to provide such broad health coverage like this, but i admit it is hard to argue against fetal surgery and birth delivery being covered.

    • whowon

      Pro-aborts thought that by attaching an expansion of medicaid coverage for pregnant mothers who can’t afford to pay their labor and delivery bills to the abortion ban, they would be able to defeat it. Instead, the North Dakota Senate held on strong and decided to help both pregnant moms AND their babies. Way to go Senators!

      • wj

        But the amendment was moved by pro-life senators.

        • whowon

          The bill with amendments was passed, your point?

        • Lianne

          Hawken has differentiated between pro-life which she is, and pro-birth, which she is not. When one uses the term ‘pro-life’, it carries with it a different meaning now than it once did.

  • liberal

    Democrats & Rob Port are waging a war against babies! you have blood on your hands!

  • liberal

    Abortion is meant to be used by parents who have Gay babies :) kill a gay baby save your soul.

    • Sister G

      There is strong evidence childhood vaccines are laced with chemicals that alter the sex preference of the baby. For depopulation, they are chemically rendering
      many homosexual. DO NOT TRUST VACCINES.

      • JR

        Name one peer reviewed journal article with this alleged ‘evidence’. I guarantee it doesn’t exist.

        • goodgolly23

          Peer review is suspect at best and in many instances a complete joke. Who do you think pays the peer reviewers? Are you really this naive?

          • JR

            Couldn’t find one huh? Go figure. Yeah that whole scientific method is such a joke. Who’s the one hiding behind blinders here.

          • goodgolly23

            I never said the scientific method was a joke. The scientific method is what gets passed over in many peer reviews? At some point, you have to come to grips with that fact. Do you live in a cave all the time or is it just a temporary residence when it come to the ability to think?

          • JR

            Well done with the personal attack while skipping the point of finding any credible (I’ll take non-peer reviewed if that’s such an awful sticking point for you) source for the moronic statement above regarding vaccines. No need for me to wait for your answer as I know it won’t be coming.

          • http://Sayanythingblog.com The Whistler

            Peer review is certainly subject to political pressures.

      • Thresherman

        Sorry but this ranks up there with the black UN helicopters and the concentration camps Bush was building to put homosexuals in.

        • jonnybsmarterthanyou

          Are you sure? how about we take a closer look:

          March 24, 1997

          Congressman Bill Hefner: 9th District NC House of Rep.

          Committee on Appropriations
          Subcommittee on Defense
          Ranking Member Subcommittee on Military Construction

          Dear Mr Setzer,

          Enclosed is the information you requested pertaining to the Army’s policy and guidance for establishing civilian inmate labor program and civilian prison camps on Army installations. This information has not yet been published (it is currently at the printers), however, it has been funded, staffed and does reflect current Army policy. I hope you find this information useful.

          With kindest regards, I am

          Sincerely yours,

          Bill Hefner
          Member of Congress

          BH/ey

          Enclosure

          • jonnybsmarterthanyou

            I’m waiting Thresherman for your response.

          • JR

            I’ll bite: I don’t see an attributed source or any mention of homosexuals in that alleged letter.

          • jonnybsmarterthanyou

            You are correct, but it’s not going to matter as it states citizens. Mr Thresherman is trying to discredit Sister G’s points which are looked upon in his apparent blindness as fallacy/conspiracy theory and uses black helicopters and concentration camps to make her statement look stupid, when in fact as i’ve demonstrated, there are indeed camps set-up and fully operational. I’d argue Thresherman takes the same tone as you did with the previous commenter who pointed to the very real fact peer reviewed papers are controlled. Peer reviewed papers are still nice, but they’re not scrutinized on the basis of science necessarily as when things come forward that don’t agree with the reviewers it’s science be damned and protect your funding. Sorry, this is just how it works.

          • JR

            You haven’t demonstrated anything. You’ve copy/pasted a supposed letter without any source and one that does not prove your original point. You then go on to attack peer reviewed journals with the same type of hyperbole as Sister G used in her vaccine comment. Again, cite a source or own your comments as opinion and not fact.

          • jonnybsmarterthanyou

            Are you accusing my transcribed letter as not being real? Google the representative, you’ll find him. I have a copy of the letter in my possession. The source is the transcribed letter hello? A similar source regarding this scenario is also Army Times. Are all of you that subscribe to this blog really this blind? What I’ve pointed out you can believe or not. Apparently cognitive, diverse thinking is rare on this site and nothing short of reiterated main stream drivel.

          • JR

            Gosh, the representative exists! And you have a copy of the letter? Well then everything you allege MUST be true. Again, nothing you’ve provided adds any credibility to your stated opinion. Let me know when you come up with something legit.

        • VocalYokel

          Actually the UN helicopters aren’t black…they are a dark green.

    • RCND

      You are one sick individual

  • Sister G

    PEACE in the WOMB just began in North Dakota! The Womb War Mongers are defeated in their Snuff Surgery. God Bless NORTH DAKOTA!

  • Sister G

    http://www.abortioninstruments.com What the Pro-Aborts and Snuff Surgeons find OK.

  • Lianne

    For those in Minot, we had one vote against both bills and the was Krebsbach. Hogue,Larsen, and Burkhard voted in favor of both bills.

  • liberal

    Why does Rob Port believe the killing of babies is justified? Rob you believe in giving illegal aliens constitutional rights why won’t you give babies the same rights & protection from cruel & unusual punishment which results in death? You are what’s wrong with America!

  • Janne Myrdal

    Elections have consequences!

    • druff3

      They certainly do; the radical growth in government and loss of liberty in North Dakota under Dalrymple/Wrigley has been an excellent example of that, as were Drew Wrigley’s actions in 2011 regarding HB 1450, Wrigley ‘should not have been re-elected’ in 2012, so why did you promote him?

  • Janne Myrdal

    Looks like we hv a good idea who shld not be re elected in 2014? Look up who voted nay on ALL life bills especially R’s.

  • Mike

    Shaible’s a republican

    • Lianne

      Yes, he is. I guess we have to give Rob a little slack being he is under the weather.

      • LegitSlater

        Nope I missed that. They don’t break out the votes by party in the Journal; I did that and just missed him as he was towards the end of the list.

        Post is fixed

        • Lianne

          I just saw that you had written the post. Wouldn’t it be nice if they did separate by party? Thanks for posting all of that, btw.

          • LegitSlater

            It would be but I can understand why they don’t. No problem by the way… how they voted really is a story unto itself, especially when it goes so much against a very big part of their party platform and conservative ideals

          • Lianne

            These bills made for some strange bedfellows, esp. 2303. It does little good to know the story of how one votes, when voters repeatedly re-elect these RINO’s.
            I must admit that I never really followed votes so closely till last session. Rob got me hooked.

          • RCND

            Thats the problem. Too many see the R and think they actually stand for the same conservative Republican values they hold as a voter. They don’t understand a lot of these RINOs hang the R on their name to get elected, and pay lip service from that point forward. They feel safe doing this because the average voter wont take the time to follow up and see if they actually walk the walk of being an R vs just talking the talk. But, this can be changed if enough of us are willing to make others aware of the “inconsistencies”

    • LegitSlater

      Thanks. I fixed the post

  • wj

    I’m not sure why the post says that Mathern’s amendment backfired. It only “backfired” if it was meant to kill the bill. Mathern is one of the few senators who is pro-life and supports universal coverage in health care. It looks like his amendment worked as he planned.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      The problem with social conservatives is that you guys are only “conservative” on abortion and disliking gay people.

      Expanding Medicaid is a bad idea fiscally, and a bad idea socially.

  • Stuart

    My fears about abortion have gone on for about 20 years now, as before that I was a fence rider. You know , “not to decide is to decide “and be indifferent! I’ve made this quote before but will use it once more for effect.
    ” The only thing worse than unholy or unsacred anger is indifference.”. Now then comes the philosophical debate. What is good,what is real, and what is true?

    I’ve now come to the firm belief that much of society doesn’t give a dam about what is
    sacred. It’s situation ethics all the way baby and to hell with God ,life.and it’s my right to commit infanticide . It’s my

    Take a little time to read the DITACHE and you will see how far we’ve strayed from what Christ left us in these TEACHINGS. These are documents left to the church homes by the disciples and most likely written by John the disciple of Jesus. There was no institutional church, and no Bible back then. But not a jot or tiddle is left out for enlightenments sake in this document.

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