Gun Show Sootings On Gun Appreciation Day?

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Our friends on the left have been almost gleeful this Gun Appreciation Day aggregating shootings at gun shows which, they feel, proves that all this 2nd amendment stuff is a pile of dangerous horse puckey.

According to them, five people were shot at gun shows. Which sounds bad. Gun fire breaking out a gun shows? That sounds nothing like the sort of calm, responsible gun ownership 2nd amendment advocates talk about. The problem, of course, is that if we look at the reality of what happened it wasn’t nearly so serious.

At the gun show in North Carolina, for instance, three people were sprayed with bird shot when a shotgun accidentally went off:

A man identified as Gary Lynn Wilson, 36, of Wilmington, brought the 12-gauge shotgun to the show at the North Carolina State Fairgrounds and was attempting to remove it from its case when the weapon went off shortly after 1 p.m., police said.

Linwood Hester, 50, of Durham, was struck in the left hand by birdshot, according to Joel Keith, police chief with the state Department of Agriculture. The birdshot also struck a woman identified as Janet Hoover, 54, of Benson, and Jake Alderman, a retired sheriff’s deputy from Wake Forest who was working at the event.

At the gun show in Indiana, a man accidentally shoot his friend with his handgun after leaving the gun show, and in Ohio the shooting was also accidental:

And in Ohio, a gun dealer in Medina was checking out a semi-automatic handgun he had bought when he accidentally pulled the trigger, injuring his friend, police said. The gun’s magazine had been removed from the firearm, but one round remained in the chamber, police said.

Now, to be sure, accidental shootings are no laughing matter. But let’s keep these things in context. While accidental shootings do result in about 600 deaths annually, that’s far fewer than the number of people who die from car accidents (about 42,000), poisoning (39,000), falls (25,000), fires (2,700), choking (2,500) and drowning (2,000).

Americans own 50% of all the guns on the face of the earth. That we, despite that, have only 600 or so deaths a year due to accidental shootings is remarkable.

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • sbark

    Do they have wood furnaces at the gun shows?…………..sootings? :)))

  • headward

    More people are murdered by hammers and clubs than rifles.

    • $8194357

      Evil carpenters unions won’t allow the government to limit them either.
      Those “air guns” are the worst…Why does a “automatic hammer”
      need a 100 nails in it anyway?

      • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

        What was that device the stone killer in No Country for Old Men used to blow a large hole in people’s heads. Looked like some sort of construction gun.

        • too funny

          an air powered rod gun for dispatching cattle…

        • $8194357

          Used in slaughter houses for killing critters…

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            Efficient, effective, and humane. Might be adopted by Obamacare Death Panel. CC for selected physicians. Grandma wants a pacemaker, pop her in the forehead. To hell with the pain-pill.

          • $8194357

            Sad but IMO the folks who follow the social enginering
            leftist ideologies might agree with you flame
            Margret Sanger was her name…
            Radicle feminism was her game…
            It was in the ‘name of’ womens rights she swore…..
            Societies usless eaters, never more…
            From the womb to the tomb selective social enginering…
            Coming thru Barry care….

          • two_amber_lamps

            Yes, no manufacturing costs for pills. Though fossil fuels are used to power the air compressor to fill the air tank for the bolt gun. I’m sure a solar powered alternate method can be devised.

          • slackwarerobert

            You can get them that use 22’s. But in NY you can only drive 7 nails.

          • $8194357

            Democratic “wind power”?

          • two_amber_lamps

            You could have filled 1,874,935 air reservoirs with all the hot air produced by the Great Leader on the 21st.

          • $8194357

            Check your sources again 2 lamps…
            Last time he was going to stem the rise of the oceans and heal our planet, ya know…I think the number doesn’t take into account the
            leftist nuance that went above your sources conservitive critique.

          • two_amber_lamps

            OK… I’ll admit the former statistic was SWAG…. (scientific wild-!ss guess) :)

          • $8194357

            hee hee

      • two_amber_lamps

        100 nails in an air gun is racist.

        • $8194357

          Yes sir..
          The commies in DC said only 7 nails per reload…

      • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

        Not a reply to your comment, but I thought that you might appreciate this marvelous quote from Carl Jung:

        “We stand face to face with the terrible question of evil and do not even know what is before us, let alone what to pit against it. Even if we did know, we still could not understand “how it could happen here”. With glorious naiveté a statesman comes out with the proud declaration that he has no “imagination for evil”. Quite right: we have no imagination for evil, but evil has us in its grip.”

        • $8194357

          From taking the form of the snake to selling that same snake oil wrapped in marxist social justice false morality, evil is alive and well in the world today…It spits its political venom with every stroke of the tyranists pen in “progressive” government…

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            The 20th century was just a warning and a warm-up. We were exposed to enormous evil in World Wars I and II and the subsequent genocides, yet have remained unable to confront the problem of Evil (Moses & the plagues of Egypt). What remains is the advent of a horror so unimaginable that those who witness it and live to tell about it will be shaken to the the marrow of their bones. “Those whom the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad.” The governments and the people—as materially comfortable as they still are—are reaching a level of hubris and denial that is a prelude to collective psychosis. The madness has already taken root. Life itself has become The Enemy. We are generating imaginary deadly threats by the dozen every week as our precognitive paranoia senses what is to come. Weak-minded individuals who crack under the collective tension lash out at the innocent in mass killings, acting out in miniature what is to follow. Obama is creating a demonic atmosphere of uncertainty and polarization that strains the population, starting at the bottom. It has been said that the preoccupation with movie and video game violence among the young is to prepare them in advance for the casual slaughters that await.

            But, o well, that’s just how I see it when I’m in a good mood.

          • $8194357

            2 tru 4 skool flame.

    • SusanBeehler
      • headward

        than what?

        • SusanBeehler

          than in/by any other weapon/means.

      • Wayne

        The present discussion is about Obama’s ‘assault rifle’ grab. Try to keep up. I know it’s hard for you.

        • SusanBeehler

          I thought it was about Gun appreciation day and gun shows? Obama is grabbing an assault rifle? Where is the rifle? I see him waving walking down the street on TV.

          • slackwarerobert

            On the roof tops, walk up with yours and you will see the smoke where they are fired from, and if lucky even see the muzzle flash.

    • Wayne

      According to the FBI, in 2011:

      1694 were murdered with knives
      726 with hand or feet
      496 with clubs or hammers
      323 with rifles of ANY TYPE

      And Obama wants to ban ‘assault’ (scary looking semi-automatic) rifles

      It’s not about doing anything about violent crime. It’s about destroying the second amendment. You gotta get the nose of the camel under the tent first ya know.

      • chris

        I think you misread the FBI data, because it clearly shows that firearms are the most-used murder weapon:

        http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-20

        • chris

          Oh, I see now, you only focused on rifles. I wonder if there are statistics specifically on mass murders. I bet rifles play a far bigger role in mass murders.

          • Wayne

            I’d take that bet.

          • slackwarerobert

            Thanks to clinton, a distant forth behind #1 machete , #2 fire, #3 bombs. #2 & 3 might be reversed, the government doesn’t give us many facts to figure out which is the bigger killer. But either way government is two of the top 3 for mass killings. I am for banning government and seeing if things improve.

        • slackwarerobert

          Only because the police use them so often to kill people. But if you believe the FBI I know a drug cartel that wants to have your guns. There may be one or two a year at most that are killed with firearms. They are counting those killed with bullets not firearms.

      • borborygmi

        you keep leaving out hand guns. Why?

        • Wayne

          Because the issue presently being discussed in the country is banning ‘assault’ rifles. And these statistics show that it isn’t about ‘protecting the children’.

      • SusanBeehler

        I think you are missing some numbers for other things used in carrying out murders. Semi-automatics are pretty much the choice of killers. So if you like semi automatic weapons does that make you a killer?

    • borborygmi

      hand guns?

      • SusanBeehler

        BINGO

        • two_amber_lamps

          Hoplophobic Ms. SuzyB?

          Bingo.

    • slackwarerobert

      That is why I don’t want a folding stock. A good solid rifle butt works as good as a club when you run out of bullets. But if you stab them with the bayonet does it go in the knife death column?

      • two_amber_lamps

        Good point… does bashing someone’s brains out with a butt stock count as a club/hammer death?

  • ellinas1

    Myself, and the rest of your friends on the left, we have been almost gleeful this Gun Appreciation Day aggregating shootings at gun shows which, we feel, proves that all this 2nd amendment stuff is a pile of dangerous horse puckey.

    According to us, five people were shot at gun shows. Which sounds
    bad. Gun fire breaking out a gun shows? That sounds nothing like the
    sort of calm, responsible gun ownership 2nd amendment advocates talk
    about.

    The problem with the above two paragraphs, of course, is that if we look at the reality, this is horseshit excreted by right wing nuts with too much time on their hands.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      So, I offer a coherent rebuttal to this narrative putting these accidental shootings into context with real statistics from across the united states, and you just wave your magic wand and declare it all “horseshit” because you want to believe something else.

      That’s…about what I expected.

      • $8194357

        Thats what liberals do…

        • ellinas1

          No.That is what wingnuts with too much time in hands do.

          • mickey_moussaoui

            You search the net, find one incidental accident at a gun show, get your panties all wet over it and you think conservatives have too much time on their hands? hahahaha
            “If a black child in Chicago falls from a gun shot but no one hears about it, did they really fall” Ask a lib

            silly rube.

          • ellinas1

            Go tell your sad story to a “Christian, pro life, family values conservative”.

          • $8194357

            We are an ‘endangered species’ now E…
            No longer the silent majority it seems we have a
            Alinsky target on us now…

          • ellinas1

            “We” are not ‘endangered species’ because we are able to vilify and endanger all other species.

          • $8194357

            Thats what marx and alinsky told their followers to do, huh.

          • Wayne

            That has got to be one of the stupidest things I’ve ever read. But coming from you, no surprise.

          • ellinas1

            Stick around…..the fun has just begun.

          • ellinas1

            Not just no, but hell no!
            That is what I am saying to you.

            PS:I don’t know what alinsky and marx told their followers for I have never read anything they wrote.
            But you my friend…..you are well versed on alinsky and marx.

          • $8194357

            Know your opponents ideological strengths, huh..

          • ellinas1

            No, I don’t know them…..my ideological opponents write about ‘em every day. ;-)

          • $8194357

            The propaganda of the left follows them (Alinsky/Marx)
            to the dotted i and crossed T tho…
            So you believe the propaganda like it were the truth, E.

          • ellinas1

            I believe what I see and what I can explain.
            What others tell me, not so much.

          • Wayne

            You may not have read them but you believe all the liberal BS. And your puppet masters know the drill very well. Besides the dumber their sheeple are the better.

          • ellinas1

            What liberal BS do I believe?

            Can you name five of them?

          • Wayne

            That would be ALL of it.

          • ellinas1

            All of what?

            I asked you to name five liberal BS that I believe.
            Is it that hard for you to do that?
            I am waiting.

          • slackwarerobert

            Gun control saves lives. Tax cuts cost money. EPA creates clean air & water. Obama is a brilliant constitutional scholar. Gun control saves lives. Fortunately they can’t count or remember so will never notice it isn’t five. But for the rest of us… Spending doesn’t cause deficits.

          • ellinas1

            The above rant is childish and not worthy of an answer.
            But an answer I will give you:
            That Obama is a brilliant constitutional scholar, is not a liberal belief but a conservative construct in order to bash liberals.
            I never claimed, said, uttered, insinuated or suggested that gun control saves lives. The only gun control that I advocate is that criminals and mentally disturbed be “controlled” and not allowed to have weapons.
            Tax cuts cost money? Well, that is a silly notion of yours.
            I believe that citizens ought to be taxed sufficiently for the things they demand from the government.
            Does EPA create clean air? I don’t know.
            But I know this. Countries without an EPA are chocking in smog and other undesirable emissions.
            Does the EPA create clean water? I would suggest you go to a country without clean water rules and drink their water.
            Then we can have a rational discussion for the need of clean water rules and regulations.

          • slackwarerobert

            I have never heard a conservative call that psychopath even smart, I would love to read his phd thesis. No conservative believes it costs money to not rob people of there money. But there is your problem, it isn’t what the people want from government, it is what the government is allowed to do. You need to look at what EPA does, and not what what they say they want. The gulf spill was their shining stupidity, you can’t clean up only 98% of the oil, you have to clean up 100% or let it contaminate the gulf. They do this all across the country all the time. They are against clean air and water is the only rational reason for these idiots doing what they do. The way you control access to guns is you lock up those that shouldn’t have them. The parole board said they are rehabilitated and not a danger, so if they are lieing get a law to lock them up for endangering us. I prefer to shoot dangerous thugs and they will never bother anyone again.

          • ellinas1

            I did and do look what the EPA does.
            It does nothing of what you claim it does.
            In short, I do not think you read/understood what I wrote.

          • two_amber_lamps

            What liberal BS do I believe?

            As an acolyte of the NAMBLA creed you believe sexual relations between 10 year old boys and grown men are healthy.

            “As of today nothing changed since the ancient times.”

            -Ellinas, noted Greek historian and pederast.

            Leftist fruitcake.

          • slackwarerobert

            No, if a black child falls from a gun shot does the welfare check stop? That is the only thing I can’t figure out, why isn’t JJ and sharpton complaining about the loss of checks to mom because of these black thugs?

      • Thresherman

        Well you see to libtards, accidental discharges at several different gun shows is something to blown out of proportion as if they were deliberate shootings. While at the same time we can point to as many rapes in a single OWS protest or as many OWS members arrested for terroristic activities in single town and that is not news to these ass hats.

        • SusanBeehler

          Are “deliberate” shootings like “legitimate” rapes?

          • $8194357

            Ask the ilsamic jihadists.
            They are experts on both topics..

          • SusanBeehler

            Conservatives are not?

          • $8194357

            That ‘statement’ question? is answer enough for me to see you are in the dark like a mushroom..Feeding on crap and false truth.

          • SusanBeehler

            Do you live in North Dakota? Here is a “conservative” truth for you, we have a “conservative” majority, executive, legislative, these are the ones that are supposed to be saying cut spending and no more new taxes. I just came from a committee hearing they want to add a new way to tax us for our local schools; because apparently property tax, special assessments and all the sales tax we already pay is not enough for our bloated state almost a $2 billion surplus and they want the “locals” to pay more with a “new” tax. I don’t think that is conservative that is their “false” truth and crap. It is what we are being fed in North Dakota.

          • $8194357

            What does RINO’S raising taxes like Democrats have to do with your original statements on rapes and shootings?
            Apples to ornges logic to me..But what ever…
            you connected the dots some how, huh.

          • SusanBeehler

            You said “false truth” so I elaborated on the fake “conservative truth”

          • $8194357

            RINOS are not conservitives.
            Murder and rape is not stealing thru taxation…

          • slackwarerobert

            Yes, stealing through taxation is worse. At least it is legal to shoot murderers and rapists. They frown on shooting the tax collector.

          • $8194357

            Liberals..
            Enslavement to state thru dhimmi jizya…
            Called by any other name…
            It is what it is…

          • slackwarerobert

            I don’t speak, la la la BOOM!

          • slackwarerobert

            If you don’t like legitimate rapes, take it up with obama who does. If they were not ligitimate then his SS gooons would have been prosecuted for the rapes.

      • ellinas1

        Let me break it down for you Mr Port.
        You created a straw man, an imaginary liberal, a whipping boy for the conservatives to piss on.
        We can, and do discern accident from willful action.
        Your view of what a liberal thinks about these accidental firearm discharges is without merit and downright insulting.

        And if that were not enough you pout and say this:”So, I offer a coherent rebuttal to this narrative putting….”
        No, Mr Port. You did not offer a coherent rebuttal.

        You offered a truckload of horseshit.

      • Wayne

        It’s what liberals do.

    • sbark

      How many kids died in Chicago today?……with not a peep from the left over the course of a full year: 500 plus dead
      …..and they are for the most part minority kids……..the kids the left just loves sooooo much.
      I just dont see why all the Leftists on this forum dont move into inner city Chicago and give a sincere effort to stop the gun violence, go live with the people you “care” so much about……

      • $8194357

        Highest percentage is black on black but that would be racist to say, huh.

        • ellinas1

          You are a racist for saying that. ;-)

          • mickey_moussaoui

            It’s an FBI stat mr pedophile elli. Do you think the FBI is racist?

          • ellinas1

            I do not answer stupid questions?

          • Wayne

            You mean you do not answer questions that show what a stupid sh!t you really are.

          • ellinas1

            I don’t answer stupid questions.

          • two_amber_lamps

            I suppose that’s why you piped up…. stupid child buggerer.

          • ellinas1

            Haaaarpyyyy! Happy New Year!

          • slackwarerobert

            Sadly I think they are now, when they went after the cops in LA when they are found not guilty, but refused to go after the black panthers when they are found GUILTY, that tells me they are racist. But that is why you carry a gun in case you run across a racist one, two in the head between the eyes is a cure for all bad guys.

          • $8194357

            Accusations made and rejected here, E…
            Truth just plain stings or hurts sometimes
            for leftist indoctrinated sheople…;-)

          • ellinas1

            I made a joke, you understood…..the rest not so much.

            You and I know what the truth is.

          • two_amber_lamps

            You and I know what the truth is.

            That you enjoy playing with your own fecal matter and molesting farm animals?

          • ellinas1

            Hey baby! Happy New Year.
            You sweet harpy, you!

      • ellinas1

        There you go spewing shit, Mr. sbark.
        Tell that to some conservative that gives a shit about the gang members that shoot each other in the ghettos of Chicago.
        And while you’re at it have some conservative pro life preachers go and help console the relatives of the innocent bystanders.

        • sbark

          quote……. while you’re at it have some conservative pro life preachers go and help console the relatives of the innocent bystanders.
          ….oh you mean like Martin Luther King Jr, fitting today anyways that you’d reference a right wing preacher.

          • ellinas1

            I do not mean anything of what you think I mean.
            Get a life Mr. sbark.

          • $8194357

            Rebublican Constitutional Equal rights advocate as well..
            Domestic terrorist by todays leftist DHS definitions…
            Celibrating modern day terrorism for political correct
            social justice history..The left are “so” conflicted…

          • ellinas1

            I am not conflicted.

          • $8194357

            Unless you really believe your rants against evil conservitives,
            it is my opinion you are conflicted…Do you believe what you write about us or just write like you do?
            I beleive what I write about the left being decieved useful idiots and lemmings and pretty much dislike to ‘hate’ those who knowingly follow the agendas/ideologies to use them as pawns…

            Thats not being conflicted on my part…
            What say you about those of us who ‘knowingly’ follow our faith
            and understanding of divine vs. secular truth, E?

          • ellinas1

            I don’t have a conflict in separating good from “evil”.
            There are good conservatives, who are respectful, civil and deserve respect. You are one of them.

            Then there are the evil conservatives, who are not civil or respectful.
            They are plain old assholes. You know who they are.
            And please, don’t give me that tired old spiel about hate….for I don’t hate ‘em. I just call ‘em out.

          • $8194357

            As I call it like I see it as well…
            How’s the New year treating you?

          • ellinas1

            I know you call ‘em too.

            The New year is great so far.
            How about you?

          • $8194357

            Good..
            Cold here tho..
            Below zero..

          • ellinas1

            Brrrrrr!
            Keep warm. drink plenty of tea.

          • $8194357

            Doc said decaf only for me..

          • ellinas1

            Herbal tea is just as good.
            Drink lot’s of chamomile.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Just deluded.

        • slackwarerobert

          Why should I feel bad for someone standing in a shootout and not shooting back. You either clean up the mess yourself, or clean out the cops who won’t clean up the mess, and start over.

          • ellinas1

            I don’t know why you should not feel bad for someone standing in a shootout and not shooting back.

            If I were to guess, I would say it is because you are a neanderthal who left his humanity at the entrance of the cave.

          • slackwarerobert

            Because they CHOSE to. They elected the nuts that pass the laws that ban them from being safe. At some point you have to stop feeling sorry for those who insist on being victims. I don’t feel sorry for the ambassador who got killed because he chose to trust obama, heck I am glad the “leadership” got it for a change, and not the poor stiffs. And my cave entrance is very well protected, don’t you worry. I have only one fear, my compassion gets me to barter food with the texas bikini team. The wife will kill me.

            Did you feel sorry for those in the twin towers? My first thought was what a rush repelling down the outside. How can you work that high in a building and not spend the $200 to have a rope and d-ring to save your life. I had one under my desk when I worked on the 8th floor of a building.

          • ellinas1

            Yeah, OK! Whatever you say.

          • ellinas1

            You’re so funny!

          • ellinas1

            You’re sooooo funny!

      • SusanBeehler

        Where do you find a “left” peeping? If you are against gun violence are you a Leftist? If you think buying a gun should not be as easy as buying a “purse”, you are “left”? Why don’t you care?

        • Wayne

          My god you are an IDIOT! Everyone is against gun violence. Taking guns away (any guns) away from law abiding citizens does nothing to stop gun violence. When gun ownership by law abiding citizens goes up, violent crime goes down. If a law abiding citizens buys guns and violent crime goes down, everyone benefits. Or are you for violent crime?

          • Wayne

            In Chicago, NYC, and Washington DC where they have the most strict gun control laws in the country, violent crime rates including murder by gun are skyrocketing. You want more gun control. That must mean you are for more violent crime and murder. Two can play your stupid game. You obviously believe America should throw the Constitution in the trash.

          • SusanBeehler

            Wow, what commercial for buying a gun did you watch? Are you saying it is our patriotic duty to buy a gun, because this will magically reduce gun violence. And you are calling me a “idiot”? If this was the magic “bullet” why after Sandy Hook when we had all these gun sales didn’t gun violence go down. Pretty simplistic thinking but I don’t think it is the solution.

          • slackwarerobert

            No, it is your patriotic duty to have guns to help overthrow the tyrants in washington. It did go down, you just can’t grasp that a dead thug is a good gun violence number Plus we still have cops with guns so they probably committed more crimes to offset the drop so they keep their jobs.

          • SusanBeehler

            I think there is enough crime to go around cops don’t have to commit it to keep their jobs. Prejudiced against cops? Had a few run ins with the law? Doesn’t surprise me, you seem like a “hot” head. I am not into treason, let me know how your “bitty” guns stand up against a tank or the Happy Hooligans.

          • slackwarerobert

            I am trying to find out before I am forced to hope I can. But so far my congressman will not answer what will penetrate his meteor proof limo. If he wasn’t such a big liar it wouldn’t matter, I would already be better armed than the military. But I haven’t received my weapons from obama yet. Do you have a source for depleted uranium? 10 lbs should do it for my needs. I have no problem with cops who obey the law, just don’t run across them that often. If you refuse to speak they get mad, lie to them they get madder, you tell them the truth they go nuts. Haven’t tried just running away yet, will let you know the results. Treason is what washington is doing, not the people. I WANT our constitutional republic.
            Who are the Happy Hooligans? Is there another group I need to train for? Or is that code for holders people, I am ready for them.

          • SusanBeehler

            Sounds like you need help.

          • slackwarerobert

            Just in getting information,I have even tried writing england figuring maybe they know since no one in this country does. What did the founders do after signing the declaration? Did they mail it to george? Send by courier, what happened to him? Give it to the first british subject they saw? Start shooting brits till goerge figured something must be up? less than 237 years and no one knows how this country was founded. How are we to repeat such a great achievement? Can I get in trouble for plagiarizing the declaration and writing obamas name where it says george? The military campaign is simple, but I can’t even get an answer for who is in charge for a thousand places. I figure 700-800 easy will die, tyrants don’t go quietly and tend to shoot those they don’t like, plus those that get killed fighting to restore the republic, and you get way down the order of succession. How do you end the war if you don’t know who can surrender?

    • mickey_moussaoui

      How many kids have been sexually abused by Greeks on this day?

      • ellinas1

        “It’s a good idea to stick your dick in the ass of a 12 year old boy.”
        mickey_moussaoui on July 20th, 2012

        • mickey_moussaoui

          elli, are you projecting your thoughts again?

          I suppose you pedophiles need some type of support group. Has your
          man/boy membership expired?

          • SusanBeehler

            You are sick! and a cyber BULLY! Sounds like you are a projecter.

        • SusanBeehler

          Mickey is sick and when you post stuff like Mickey did all sorts of weird pop up ads start showing up on this blog. Why is Mickey so sick? He thinks it! Maybe he is projecting his “fantasy” onto others.

          • ellinas1

            Conservative crazies like Mickey, not being able to debate issues, resort to libel hoping to silence others and or prevail during a debate.
            Stupid and silly cons(ervatives) like mickey do stupid and silly things.

          • $8194357

            (Stupid and silly cons(ervatives) like mickey do stupid and silly things.)
            Yes it IS stupid wasting our breath on blind liberal lemmings with historically accurate truth…

          • Onslaught1066

            Libel? you have any idea what Ellin-A$$ is bleating about?

          • $8194357

            He believes mickeys accusations are libelous.
            He could collect damages in a court of law..
            What he don’t see is his accustions and rants on individuals
            are as well…When the collectives (liberals, conservitives) groups
            are tossed about..No libel..
            But he feels he has been libeled personably, IMO…
            Good for thee, but libelous for me liberalism…

          • Onslaught1066

            Does he not realize that the truth is proof against the charge of libel?

            And as shown below, he has admitted to all that has been said of him.

          • $8194357

            E sees what E understands and wants to see..
            Seeing other folks side or opinions is not his strong suit, IMO.

            If I were doing an employee review on E?
            I would tell him to chill and let other people be right or wrong.
            Real tolerance got America in this pickle..

            Live and let live liberty allowed the leftist facist mentality to usurp
            our culture with its facisim wrapped in fales moral cause..

            My time in corperate sensitivity training showed me the
            end result of tyranical ideological tolerance.

            Special victims groups and causes always have the false moral high ground and treated with kids gloves as “zero tolerance” policies are employed for traditional morality and conservitive view points…

            But thats just me..
            Tyrany of the minority thru PC is soon going to be
            tyrany of the collective groups and causes majority…

            They are so “intolerant” to tru moral tolerance as we believe we each must stand alone before a Holy God for judgement and not the collective power of group or state to back us.

          • Onslaught1066

            So he’s allowed to ruin dozens, if not hundreds, of lives and we’re not allowed to comment on it because he perceives himself a member of a minority/victim class?

          • $8194357

            Well?
            I can’t speak for E, but just share my opinions….
            E is right in his mind and the rest of us are somehow
            lesser people from a lesser god than his…
            Liberals see all and know all kind of like the great Oz?

          • Neiman

            Just for the record: Ellinas is of the Greek Orthodox Church, they believe salvation is gained through good works over a life time and no one knows if they are saved until after the die.

          • $8194357

            Say three Hail Marys and all is forgiven kind of stuff?

          • Neiman

            As best I can figure it, theirs is a good works to earn salvation, along with faith in Jesus, I translate it as a Jesus + Works Salvation. They consider themselves the direct outworking of the Apostolic Church, they being the Church versus Jesus Body being the Church.

          • $8194357

            Mans doctrinal ideologies are numerous, huh.
            Wisdom of men is not Godley Wisdom…

          • ellinas1

            None of that.
            Three Hail Mary’s or three million Hail Mary’s wont save you.
            Now if you accept Jesus as your savior, that is another story. A realy good one.

          • $8194357

            The only part of your creed that concerns me E is the
            ‘one baptism’ Water or Spiritual?
            John baptized with water and Jesus the Holy Spirit…
            the protestant church I was raised in put pretty much
            the whole basket of apples in infant water baptism..

            Not what my Bible since taught me to be true.
            Jesus said God is Spirit and desires true worshippers
            to worship Him in Spirit and Truth, thus the reason
            Jesus Baptized with the Holy Ghost…
            Your understanding is?

          • ellinas1

            The water baptism is symbolic, physical, spiritual and consistent with the teachings of the Bible.
            One is baptized in the name Of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
            The act of baptism is both a physical and spiritual act.
            Infant or adult baptism? A distinction not worth arguing over.

          • $8194357

            (Infant or adult baptism? A distinction not worth arguing over)
            Debatable IMO..
            One is personal free will choice…
            The other?
            The ‘works’ of the parents….

          • ellinas1

            Since you want to debate the issue….no, it is not “works” of the parents.
            The parents have no stake in this. It is done for the child……. the child is reared in the Christian faith.
            Did you give your children personal free will choice or did you raise them according to what you believe.
            Do we give our children a “personal free will choice” as to what Christian denomination to follow, or do we shove down their throats what we believe?
            Would you or I have allowed our children to go to the Catholic church at age six because that is what they wanted and it was their personal free will and choice? Huh?

          • $8194357

            So liberal of you E…
            Reaching an age of accountability and free will choice,
            every soul must stand alone before a Holy God for Judgement.
            But the secular argument made by the left is strong in your
            opinion of “religion”.
            Religion is not a “relationship” with a Living God, but works of men..

          • slackwarerobert

            By who’s standard? middle east age, is what 6 years old to marry? Mississippi just raised there’s from 12 a few years back.
            And mans best works are the colt 45. Sending them to meet god in no way stops them from explaining to him why they are there.

          • $8194357

            You go ahead and play God, and use your own understanding about an age of accountability, then you can explain to Him what you ment.

          • ellinas1

            Free will and choice.
            Did you allow your children their free will and choice, or did you raise then according to your beliefs? They were not free to choose which branch of Christianity to follow, were they?

            Baptism benefits only the one being baptized. It is not ‘works’ of the parents or anyone else.

          • $8194357

            Religion can’t save them E..
            I raised them up to the age of accountability
            in a Full Gospel Bible believing church and have since
            let them go their own way…Only Christ can save another soul, not me.
            I gave them my faith in Gods Word and told them they must be personnaly accountable to Him for their life choices.
            Grace is not mine to dispence, just a simple preacher of the Word..

          • $8194357

            E..
            We are all baptized by our mothers womb into the death of Christ..
            The True Baptism is by the Fire of the Holy Spirit..
            God destroyed the world once by water…The next time by Fire…
            We are born thru water as was Christ into carnal mans body
            and born into the Kingdom of God thru the Blood of Jesus
            and Fire of the Holy Ghost Christ sends after Salvation of His completed works is accepted…I will not leave you as orphans but send the Helper the world cannot recieve for they know me naught.
            All else is “religion’ and man made doctrine. IMO..

          • slackwarerobert

            I am sort of partial to “The meek shall have parity of force”. i.e. 2nd amendment.

          • ellinas1

            Mr. Neiman, you got that wrong as is usual for you.

          • Neiman

            Salvation – Orthodox Christians believe salvation is a gradual,
            life-long process by which Christians become more and more like Christ.
            This requires faith in Jesus Christ, working through love.

            That is what I said, it is taken directly from the creed of the Greek Orthodox Church and you told me that no one knows they are saved until after they die.

          • ellinas1

            The Nicene Creed is the Creed of the Orthodox Church:

            I believe in one God, Father Almighty, Creator of
            heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
            And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of
            God, begotten of the Father before all ages;
            Light of Light, true God of true God, begotten,
            not created, of one essence with the Father
            through Whom all things were made.
            Who for us men and for our salvation
            came down from heaven and was incarnate
            of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary and became man.
            He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate,
            and suffered and was buried;
            And He rose on the third day,
            according to the Scriptures.

            He ascended into heaven
            and is seated at the right hand of the Father;
            And He will come again with glory to judge the living
            and dead. His kingdom shall have no end.

            And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Creator of life,
            Who proceeds from the Father, Who together with the
            Father and the Son is worshipped and glorified, Who
            spoke through the prophets.

            In one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church.
            I confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
            I look for the resurrection of the dead,
            and the life of the age to come.
            Amen.

            Once again Mr Neiman, you are mistaken.

          • slackwarerobert

            I died 40 years ago, so how do I tell if I am saved? Is it the 3 devine acts of intervention that have kept me alive since then proof I am doomed and he doesn’t want me? When god goes out of his way to personnaly keep me from dieing he must really want to keep me out. Is he afraid I will expose him for a tyrant? Is he worried I will arm the altar boys? Why does god fear me?

          • slackwarerobert

            Not in canada or france.

          • Onslaught1066

            How about in pottsylvania, an equally mythical setting?

          • ellinas1

            Mickey has never said anything of value to anyone.
            If you think he has….. your brain is malfunctioning and you need to do a hard reboot.
            He is wasting the oxygen he’s breathing.

          • $8194357

            Well E…
            I’m glad to see your still consistant…
            Once again your opinion over rides mine.
            All else is horse hocky, huh.

            Accustaions of brain malufunctions (mental illness)
            and such is standard opurating
            procedure for the New Left Socialist Democrats.

            Your ideological root system says…
            Intolerance to any opposing opinion,
            but of course…”in the name of tolerance”.

            Take ten minutes and check out the source of your
            Democratic ideological root systems.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh2DdJLycPM&feature=player_embedded

          • ellinas1

            I did not say you are mentally ill.
            What I tried to say was this: It is my opinion that you are mistaken about mickey. He is a true asshole, and a lying one to boot.
            You have a brain malfunction only where characters like mickey are concerned.
            So….shake it off, and continue.

          • $8194357

            Ok..
            I will re-adjust the tin foil hat and come back with
            democrats are communist ideologs
            in marxist social justice sheeps clothing.
            It is one of my better informed topics…;-)

          • ellinas1

            Shhhhhh! Don’t let the left or right wing nuts hear you……….

          • SusanBeehler

            I don’t think it is silly, it is repulsive.

          • ellinas1

            It is repulsive.

            But it is also silly and childish.

        • slackwarerobert

          If someone is shooting at it, I will hide it wherever I have to.

      • Onslaught1066

        “Are you in fact proud to be greek and proud of your greek heritage, every bit of it?”
        Onslaught on July 26th 2012

        “Yes, I am proud of my Greek heritage. Every bit of it.”
        Elinn-A$$ on July 26th 2012

        “As of today nothing changed since the ancient times.”
        Ellin-A$$ on February 20 2012

        “Looks like Onslaught has you pegged, pederast.”
        robert 108 on July 26th 2012

      • slackwarerobert

        Hey, that is a recognizable illness that gets you a government disability check. Your only other choice is to be an arsonist, and you only burn one hole with the former so less people injured.

    • ‘Tom Crawford

      ellinas1 states: “Myself, and the rest of your friends on the left, we have been almost gleeful this Gun Appreciation Day aggregating shootings at gun shows which, we feel, proves that all this 2nd amendment stuff is a pile of dangerous horse puckey.”

      Right there pretty much sums up your point of view and other libs, “…….we feel, proves that all this 2nd amendment stuff is a pile of dangerous horse puckey.”

      The belief that something you don’t agree with is garbage and should be removed? How many libs if they could would try and remove the 2nd Amendment if they could?

      • ellinas1

        Not sure what you are trying to say.
        Post something coherent.

        • $8194357

          He said you are a conflicted leftist full of horse $h!t
          your own self…
          If ya need more help with ‘interpetations’ let me know E.

          • ellinas1

            OK! I’ll do that, brotherman.

            PS: Tell him I am not a conflicted leftist full of horse $h!t, and that I love him like a brother from another mother and a different father.

          • $8194357

            Call him a bastard your own self, E…

          • ellinas1

            I don’t know him well enough to call him that harsh epithet……

          • $8194357

            Brothers from different mothers and fathers left me
            with that option…
            Sorry if I miss understood..

          • ellinas1

            You did well under the circumstances……my bad!

          • $8194357

            They call you just as bad.
            No perfect people on this blog,
            or anywhere else for that matter…

          • ellinas1

            True that.

  • silverstreak

    Here’s a little story that someone managed to find.

    FLASHBACK: In 1999, Obama wouldn’t support tougher prosecution for school shooters

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/16/flashback-in-1999-obama-wouldnt-support-tougher-prosecution-for-school-shooters/

    Excerpt
    In 1999, State Senator Barack Obama voted “present” on a bill that would require adult prosecution for discharging a gun in or near a school.

    Sorry…I know it is off this topic but I thought some would find it interesting.

    • whowon

      Not off topic, shows what a hypocrite he is.

    • Wayne

      It’s not about ‘protecting the children’. It’s about destroying the second amendment. That bill would have done nothing to further the agenda.

    • slackwarerobert

      Well those thugs act just like his sons would act. obama said so himself. Ands he hasn’t locked up any of his crooked relatives yet.

  • mickey_moussaoui

    I once pinched my finger in the action of a 308 BAR. Does that count as a gun accident to you silly libs?

    • ellinas1

      Well Mr Mickey, if you accidentally pinched your finger in the action of a 308 BAR that would be an accident.
      If you purposefully pinched your finger in the action of a 308 BAR that would be stupidity.

      Any more silly questions you stupid con(servative)?

      • mickey_moussaoui

        That should get your panties in a wad then elli. Have you gotten your fingers pinched in any little boys pants zipper lately?

        • SusanBeehler

          You are sick

        • ellinas1

          Any more silly questions you stupid con(servative)?

          • two_amber_lamps

            Undoubtedly you’re a pederast but the question sill remains… Have you gotten your fingers pinched in any little boys pants zipper lately?

          • ellinas1

            Happy New Year, harpy.

          • two_amber_lamps

            22 days late pederasts… :)

          • slackwarerobert

            Well not a finger…….

      • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

        So very true, in the most trivial and otiose sort of way. …

        • ellinas1

          My answer was geared toward his comment which is Indolent, idle useless, needless, superfluous, unnecessary and serving no practical purpose or result.

          Or as you so aptly put it. otiose. ;-)

          • two_amber_lamps

            ” Indolent, idle useless, needless, superfluous, unnecessary and serving no practical purpose or result.”

            Quite an apt description of a greekling pederast…

          • ellinas1

            Dear harpy, Happy New Year.

          • two_amber_lamps

            22 days late greekling… :)

          • ellinas1

            Happy New Year,harpy.

          • two_amber_lamps

            almost 23 now…. greekling.

          • ellinas1

            Happy New Year,harpy.

          • two_amber_lamps

            23 days late… and $23 short… eh pederast?

          • ellinas1

            Happy New Year,harpy.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Now 32 days late… gayfag greekling pederast.

  • SusanBeehler

    The day of gun show shootings might be “interesting.” What I would like to know is how many of these guns find their way into a criminals hand; the son who may shoot up a school;into the hand of a young man who commits suicide, or be used for any of the over 10,000 murders; now that could be eye opening research? Just like buying a “purse”, a hand gun can be purchased, taken home immediately or turned around and given or sold to someone else. Where do criminals get their guns anyway? Was the “crime” gun from a owner who let it wonder the street, who abandoned it because it wasn’t what they expected? Something which has so much power to get the nation in a “tizzy” should take a little more effort than picking out a “purse”.

    • sbark

      …..but you have no worries about Fast and Furious at all right?

      …..You have no worries who is supplying the weapons in the Chicago area right?

      …..You have no worries why various govt agencies, with no relationship to Homeland security are buying millions of rounds of ammo right?

      ……You really need to take something for your severe case of cranium rectitus, its become contagious among the people you associate with.

      • SusanBeehler

        Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong

        • ellinas1

          Do not fall for this silly tactic.
          He is redirecting the conversation, and attempting to lay blame on your feet….a favorite tactic of these right wing nuts.

          • SusanBeehler

            Right

          • Onslaught1066

            Don’t get your hopes up, little hanniturdlet, he’s only into little boys.

          • ellinas1

            You know this from personal experience?

          • two_amber_lamps

            We know this from your own words….

            “but everybody knows who post’s under the moniker ellinas1″

            Q: That would be a pederast with homosexual tendency?

            Ellinas: “My point exactly.

            1/3/13

          • ellinas1

            Pathetic harpy.

          • two_amber_lamps

            You got that right gayfagpederast. We all find your preferences to be pathetic…. and frankly distasteful.

          • Wayne

            “a favorite tactic of these right wing nuts.” That is one of the funniest things you’ve written. The left wing trolls on this blog, including you, do that ALL THE TIME.

          • Wayne

            Crazy Sue does it too.

          • ellinas1

            Nah! You don’t say!
            You ain’t shitting me nowm are you?

        • sbark

          so……your on Huff Po, News and Views, MSLSD forums blasting Obama and his banana republic boys for the above?
          Links please………..

          • SusanBeehler

            Are you? Links please

          • Wayne

            No she is not but she is on this blog blasting conservatives. But, but, but…she’s not liberal. She said so.

    • slackwarerobert

      And all you need to do is amend the constitution to get your way. I don’t care if a thug buys a gun, I will shoot him if he tries to use it on me. I don’t care if he bought it legally, or stole it. The mistake is trying to use it against me. None of these shootings were accidental. All of them required you to pull the trigger while the gun was loaded. Accidental is when it goes off without pulling the trigger, and without being loaded.

    • slackwarerobert

      And if you counterfeit a springfield XD, you will go to jail just like if you counterfeit a purse. There are no special “rights”. I would point out that they don’t add more jail time if you commit a crime with a purse also. So the gun is more regulated.

  • slackwarerobert

    And this is why we don’t need background checks. All these people would pass obamas background check.
    Plus you need to already have a gun to be safe at the gun shows now.

  • slackwarerobert

    Saw the NRA add sunday, It didn’t show obamas kids, it didn’t say their names, so how can it be exploiting his kids?

  • slackwarerobert

    And none of these “shootings” would have been stopped by limiting magazines to 10 rounds. They all happened with ONE round only, so 30 rounds in a magazine wouldn’t have helped or hurt anything.

  • borborygmi

    The people who’s weapons went off accidently had to be freaking idiots. They are lucky they still have progeny left at home. Rule 1, treat all firearms with respect and as if they are loaded, Rule 2 read Rule 1.

    • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

      I’m checking for sunrise in the west tomorrow, for once I agree with you. I received basic gun safety instruction from my dad when I was 10 years old. He, and several other wise gun folk, impressed on me the idea that “a gun is always loaded, and to regard the safety as always off.” Some dads would actually remove the safety feature so that the kid would have no reliance on it. But the event that got me straight on all this is when a couple of kids older than me shot a jackrabbit, then hung it up on a post and shot it again with a shotgun from about 10 feet. Blew it in half. That impressed me. Getting shot was very messy.

      • borborygmi

        same with me, dad taught me, gun safety-hunter safety the basic rule, scouts same, Cub Scouts also were taught this even with BB guns. I taught my sons. We took a water melon and shot it with a 22 then we used a 20ga. Has a nice effect. Both are dangerous, but the 22 was much easier to repair.

        • slackwarerobert

          For futility, let them hunt deer with a wire guided missile. The steering rockets can’t keep up with the deers ability to turn on a dime. While the m-60 means you eat good tonight. Bambi doesn’t get 25 feet.

      • slackwarerobert

        Another great visual demonstration, is you skip a bullet on water. It times just like a stone, but the distance between skips is massive. My eyesight can’t see passed to fourth skip anymore.

    • slackwarerobert

      Rule #1: All firearms are loaded. Rule #2: No exceptions to rule #1. Rule #3: Bullets always come out the front. (i.e. never point at something you don’t intend to shoot)

  • joeb

    Five simple rules:

    1) All firearms are loaded. Handle them as such, even when you believe them to be unloaded. Check the chambers before handing them to someone else, and upon being handed one, with the muzzle pointed in a safe direction.

    2)Never point a firearm at anything you do not want to shoot.
    3) Never place a round in battery until you are ready to shoot–when possible lock the action open.

    4) Never put your finger on the trigger until you are ready to shoot.
    5)Always make certain of what is beyond your target, and that the area downrange is clear.

    Follow those rules, and not only will you be spared having a negligent discharge, you and those around you will be safer as a result.

    • slackwarerobert

      #3 should prefaced with non self defense weapons. You always have a round chambered in the one you carry for defense. If for no other reason than to have an extra round. #6 Never give loaded weapon to idiot cop who knows nothing about firearms.

  • slackwarerobert

    The sandyhook shooting was made worse and caused more deaths BECAUSE of the gun laws. If he was allowed to walk out of the gun store with his weapons, he wouldn’t have had to go home and kill his mother to get hers. Just watched the moron police chief who claims that his states overrunning of criminals is because of other states lax gun laws. You can’t buy a gun in another state without a dealer being involved and background check being done. So the only logical conclusion is background checks arm the criminals.

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