Gun-Controlled Chicago Sees More American Deaths Than Afghanistan War Zone

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Via Gateway Pundit, there were 405 coalition casualties in Afghanistan in 2012, and 310 of them were Americans (72% of US war casualties in Afghanistan have come under President Obama).

In Chicago, which claims some of the strictest gun control policies in America, there were 532 homicides in 2012.

Yet, still, Chicago’s officials blame all of this crime on the existence of guns. In fact, Chicago’s Police Chief Gary McCarthy said during a radio interview that despite the fact that Illinois must begin issuing concealed carry permits, in accordance with recent Supreme Court decisions, he’ll still instruct his officers to shoot any citizen they see with a gun:

“You put more guns on the street expect more shootings,” McCarthy said. “I don’t care if they’re licensed legal firearms, people who are not highly trained… putting guns in their hands is a recipe for disaster. So I’ll train our officers that there is a concealed carry law, but when somebody turns with a firearm in their hand the officer does not have an obligation to wait to get shot to return fire and we’re going to have tragedies as a result of that. I’m telling you right up front.”

McCarthy would not say what specific training officers will undertake if any. However, he did admit that in the past his department has made mistakes in shooting unarmed civilians. He believes the concealed carry law will increase those types of unfortunate incidents.

Here’s a question: What happens when Illinois finally embraces concealed carry permitting, and crime goes down?

Rob Port is the editor of SayAnythingBlog.com. In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters. He writes a weekly column for several North Dakota newspapers, and also serves as a policy fellow for the North Dakota Policy Council.

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  • Roy_Bean

    “So I’ll train our officers that there is a concealed carry law, but when
    somebody turns with a firearm in their hand the officer does not have
    an obligation to wait to get shot to return fire and we’re going to have
    tragedies as a result of that. I’m telling you right up front.”

    First of all, he’s right in saying that officers shouldn’t wait for their partner to get shot before returning fire. That being said, there is a huge difference between a lawfully armed civilian and your garden variety criminal when it comes to guns. Lawfully armed citizens shoot to live, criminals shoot to kill. Lawfully armed citizens will be waiting for the arrival of the police and happy to drop their guns, criminals will be trying to avoid contact with the police and will either shoot or run. Anyone who carries a gun legally should do so with the knowledge and acceptance of the fact that friendly fire is a possibility. That’s even true for plain clothes officers and has been since Wild Bill Hickok killed his deputy, Mike Williams, in 1871.

    • $8194357

      Yes sir.

      • Thresherman

        So the Chicago Police Chief thinks that if an officer see someone with a gun in his hand he can shoot to kill. Someone better set this retard straight before some cop takes him at his word and winds up being charged with murder or manslaughter. Police have to abide by the same laws regarding the use of deadly force as the rest of us and this asshat, who probably spent his career more as a politics player and ass-kisser than as a working cop, hasn’t got the brains to know that.

        If word gets out that his cops are shooting first and asking questions later, he is going find himself with bloody mess he will wish he never knew about.

        • $8194357

          The point is if the perp is showing bad intent or already shot someone,
          why would you shoot a warning shot? Identify and respond to the reaction presented. If imminant threat is the perps intent…Shoot him.

  • Matthew Hawkins

    Is this based on percentage?

    • Hal109

      310 Americans killed in Afganistan in 2012.

      Chicago this week ended 2012 with 513 homicides, a 15 percent increase
      from 448 homicides in 2011, RedEye determined based on data from the
      Medical Examiner’s Office and police.

      Maybe we should be pulling out of Chicago?

      • Matthew Hawkins

        How many troops to we have in Afghanistan? How many people are in Chicago?

        I am guessing that everytime a soldier leaves the security of a green zone in Afgnanistan they are fully armed and in body armor. I guess this because I have been deployed by the US Army.

        This is just some BS story that Rob got from the daily talking points of the conservative movement.

        • Hal109

          Nice rationalization.

          • WOOF

            Afghan dead not counted?

          • Hal109

            plz read my post above. I believe that is the most accurate way to compare.

        • Hal109

          As of 2012, the total population of Afghanistan is around 30,419,928.
          The metropolitan Chicago population (CSA) is over 9.8 million people.

          • Matthew Hawkins

            He is only counting US deaths. There are not $30M soldiers in Afghanistan.

          • Hal109

            What is your point? Are you saying that Chicago isn’t a violent city? More Americans are killed in a major US city than in a war zone. You can try to pick out some stat that minimizes the disaster that Chicago is, but why?

            How about this:

            The murder rate (not the total number of deaths) in Chicago is 8.42 per 100,000 residents.

            According to the World Health Organization, the intentional homicide rate in Afghanistan is 3.4 per 100,000 people.

  • mickey_moussaoui

    Having worked for a Chicago based company I will say that, as a group, these are not the smartest people in the country. Yes, there are brilliant people in Chicago, but the majority are dim wits. Especially the politicians and public sector parasites

  • $8194357

    When guns are outlawed?
    Only outlaws will have guns….

    • borborygmi

      That is people with guns would be made outlaws.

      • $8194357

        With every stroke of the leftist pen they create more law breakers apoligist.

        • borborygmi

          That is the all laws work. We should get rid of all laws then there wouldn’t be any law breakers.

          • $8194357

            Says the leftist statist tyrany apoligist
            who does not believe in the limited power Constituiton.
            To the few and defined by Constitutional Law DC has
            annoited itself Moscow west central planners and
            social engineers…

  • borborygmi

    It would be interesting to see the stats of the how many victims had a gun in possession, how many were innocent bystanders caught in a crossfire. How many are gang related deaths and how many were just avg American Joe that were killed in a robbery, or home invasion.

    • borborygmi

      apparently two of the Conservatives don’t care for the truth.

      • $8194357

        speaking of truth and the liberal license to “ssttrreetttccchhh it”.
        I invented the internet ya know…

        Fact Checker Destroys Bill Clinton’s Gun Whopper

        Posted on January 14, 2013 byConservative Byte

        “Half of all mass killings in the United States have occurred since the assault weapons ban expired in 2005, half of all of them in the history of the country.”

        — Former president Bill Clinton, at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, Jan. 9, 2013

        A colleague spotted this eye-popping statistic by the former president and wondered if it was correct.

        President Clinton signed the assault weapons ban into law in 1994, but it expired after 10 years and was not renewed. Even supporters have said it was riddled with loopholes, limiting its effectiveness. But the rash of mass shootings in recent years, including the Newtown tragedy, have provided new impetus for a renewed ban.

        So let’s dig into the data and see what we find.

        The Pinocchio Test

        In the highly charged debate over guns, it is important for politicians on both sides to get their facts straight. In this case, the available data show that Clinton was way off base in his assertion, making an exaggerated claim — which his office would not even defend.

        Ordinarily, this might have been a Four Pinocchio claim. Given the fuzziness of the data and questions about definitions, we are going to cut Clinton a bit of slack in the final ruling.

        But such uncertainty in the data means politicians need to be very careful in making claims about gun violence.

        Three Pinocchios

        Read more: http://conservativebyte.com/2013/01/fact-checker-destroys-bill-clintons-gun-whopper/#ixzz2HzZEbF99

    • crazygemini12

      Or a little girl jumping rope outside that took a bullet to the head due to off-duty police officers’ shenanigans, for example.

  • borborygmi

    HOw many of the homicides were caused by guns?

    • borborygmi

      Let me rephrase, where the weapon was a gun, since a gun by itself is a hunk of metal.

      • mickey_moussaoui

        In Chicago the majority of homicides are gang related.
        Either pay back, turf war or armed robbery. In most cases it involves black
        gangs first, Mexican second and white, third. If Chicago really wanted to lower homicides by gun they need to come down harder on gangs. That quest is nearly impossible so they play politics and go after the straw man (legally armed citizens). It’s just a ruse to pacify the majority of bleeding heart libs that live in cities. They flock to cities because they don’t have to depend on self reliance as much as folks who live “outside”. As the economy
        digresses so will safety in the city.
        It is ironic that Wisconsin can send 2 million armed hunters into the woods every deer season and maybe experience 2 accidental shootings yet Chicago has over 500 gun related homicides in a city where guns are banned…and libs want to grab guns.

        • borborygmi

          So in actuality this is gun owner violence on gun owner violence.

      • SusanBeehler

        Hunk of burning love?!

    • $8194357

      When you outlaw guns from the law abieding,
      only criminals shal have guns…
      Because with the stroke of an anti Constitutional
      pen the tyranist left made me into one…

  • $8194357

    Where are “we” going to draw the line in the sand?

    http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/01/the-second-war-of-independence-has-been-declared/

    Do you really believe that once your guns are banned, and the weapons that were grandfathered in and off limits from government seizure, will not be taken in the second round of gun control legislation?

    The first War for Independence initially began with a flurry of gunshots which rang out in Boston on March 5, 1770. There Americans drew the line in the sand against British imperialism and tyranny. The first to die, Crispus Attucks a black man, and the 20 others with him had sticks and clubs, and the British soldiers had guns. Obviously sticks and clubs were not a match, then nor are they now.

    John Hancock, one of the nation’s founding fathers spoke of that legendary heroic moment, by urging, “… for a well-regulated militia of the whole people who would fight “for their liberty, and for themselves, and for their God.”

    Unfortunately, for the tragic victims of New Town, Connecticut, the Obama led federal government in Washington, is moving to disarm its citizens by using the very laws that Hancock and other founding fathers fought so desperately for. Instead, Obama, Biden and gun control mayors like New York City’s Michael Bloomberg, continuously assault the U.S. Constitutional Second Amendment rights. They work to manipulate this tragedy to lead a sustained assault on freedom of defense against such government tyranny.

  • Jim T.

    Is everybody in Chicago stupid? I don’t go there anymore. I’m afraid of a police chief that tell his officers to shoot anything that moves.

  • Robofish

    I’ve never understood the twisted conservative logic that says because places like Chicago have a high rate of gun deaths, the solution is *more* guns. Guns are the problem, not the solution.

  • trek_rider

    “You put more guns on the street expect more shootings,” McCarthy said. “I don’t care if they’re licensed legal firearms, people who are not highly trained… putting guns in their hands is a recipe for disaster.”
    A comment like this is so typical from the left. They made the same comment about every state that has improved access to concealed carry permits and were wrong in every instance. And not just wrong, but diametrically wrong.
    I remember when Reagan was running for president. The left predicted he’d start WW III with the Soviet Union, that he was a dangerous “cowboy,” etc. NONE of that happened. The left has been so wrong with so many of their predictions of gloom and doom, how is it that anyone pays attention to them? Chicken Little didn’t have the shelf life the left has in this country.

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