Five Inconvenient Facts For Gun Control Proponents

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Here’s an excellent video from Reason detailing five facts about guns that are pretty devastating to the case for tough new regulations and controls on gun sales, purchases and ownership.

First, the violent crime numbers (including numbers for gun violence) have been declining in the Unites States for decades.

Second, this decline in crime has taken place despite there being more guns in circulation in America than ever before. Some 45% of households have guns in them. There are more than 300,000,000 guns in circulation in the US, and over the last two decades, just about every state in the union has liberalized gun laws.

Third, mass shootings of the sort that happened at Sandy Hook Elementary School are actually far more rare than they’ve been in the past. The peak for mass shootings in the US happened in 1929, not coincidentally the height of prohibition-era gang violence (that year saw the infamous Valentine’s Day Massacre).

Fourth, our schools are much safer than they’ve been in the past. Over the past 20 years, the theft rate per 1,000 students dropped from 101 to 18. The violent crime rate per 1,000 students dropped from 53 to 14.

Fifth, “assault weapons bans” don’t seem to work. There has been no link between that sort of policy and decreased crimes or violence.

Rob Port is the editor of In 2011 he was a finalist for the Watch Dog of the Year from the Sam Adams Alliance and winner of the Americans For Prosperity Award for Online Excellence. In 2013 the Washington Post named SAB one of the nation's top state-based political blogs, and named Rob one of the state's best political reporters.

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  • Thresherman

    I’d say that the science is settled on this and gun control advocates are “deniers” who are anti science.

  • SigFan

    “There are more than 300,000,000 guns in circulation in the US”

    Okay, which one of you guys has the other 2?

    So if every law-abiding adult were to be issued a firearm and required to carry it what do you want to bet you would see crime rates plummet even further?

    • Game

      I have a little bit of a problem with the argument that the key to making us safer is to have more people with guns. That is a little bit like saying that the answer to unsafe roads is to put more cars on the road.

      I am a gun owner, but I understand that gun ownership comes with implied risks and responsibilities. I don’t want people who do not understand those risk and responsibility to have guns.

      Now before you gun nut people start going crazy, for the most part, I don’t think it is the governments role to decide who gets guns (the only exception being I think that people violent mental health conditions should be disallowed, and people with violent criminal history). However, I think everybody could get together and talk about the real pro’s and con’s of gun ownership and to learn about non-lethal was of protection and about ways to prevent people who should not have guns from getting them.

      As I have said before, the pro-gun movement does not support this, because they make huge profits off anti-gun scares, and they have decided it is more profitable to be part of the problem than part of the solution.

      • Rob

        That is a little bit like saying that the answer to unsafe roads is to put more cars on the road.

        That’s not really an apples-to-apples comparison.

        As I have said before, the pro-gun movement does not support this, because they make huge profits off anti-gun scares, and they have decided it is more profitable to be part of the problem than part of the solution.

        I think that’s just something liberals say.

        • Game

          Are you telling me that the Gun companies are not making huge profits off of anti-gun advocates? Are you telling me that two Obama elections have not been very, very good for the price of Guns? Are you telling me that if every school in America had armed guards that would not drive up profits even more (by the way, this would be paid for by tax payer dollars, and would be a massive education budget increase)?

          You cannot pretend that facts are not facts just because you “think that’s just something liberals say.”

          • StanB

            We haven’t raised our prices on wholesale at all. What is happening is a lot of people who really felt they had no need for a gun til now have decided that they better get them when they can. We don’t have to do anything concerning advertising, the government is doing it for us.

          • $8194357

            Barry is once again “firearm salesman of the year”…

          • mickey_moussaoui

            I’m beginning to think he owns stock in some gun and ammo companies

          • $8194357

            Liberals must all own stock…
            The stock will be worthless after they are done destroying America, while my xxx0 rounds of ammo will be good for barter…He…Heee..

          • Wayne

            What about retail prices?

            Talking to liberals like Gameless is impossible. To them the real facts don’t matter. The only ‘facts’ that matter to them are the the stupid lies that their puppet masters in Washington and the MSM (aka the propaganda wing of the Democrat Party) tell them. And they are too dumb to see what’s happening.

          • sbark

            there is the leftist route to problem solving again…….profits—just cant have any of that can we………
            …… if we’d just apply that to higher education and their teachers.
            Why should they make money doing what is good for society and doing what they “love”…

          • Wayne

            You idiot liberals cannot make up sh!t and call it fact but you keep trying. You talk like you know what ‘the pro-gun movement’ has ‘decided’. Well, you idiot, you don’t know sh!t. You are nothing but just another lying liberal! And gee, now the flaming liberal is outraged, outraged I tell you, that tax dollars may be spent to protect the school children (Something that will actually stop school mass murders. But than that’s not what you really want. Is it?). F’ing hypocrite!

      • sbark

        Freedom has inherint risks and responsibilities……..what govt intervention decades ago, made it hard to institutionalize mental health cases?
        Fed Govt has had a law restricting gun to mental issue persons since 1968, but it has been at the state level not contributing to the data base, which then could prevent them from buying at least at the retail level.
        Our new Senator Heitkamp was the N.Dak attorney General for quite a spell, what was here stance on contributing to that database during that time, and how does that then sit with her gun stance at present.
        Which states in general do not contribute to the database—red or blue in general……..and then why?
        There are some 10,000 plus gun laws already on the book, it appears most are ignored at best for the most part……..especially in Obama’s own city of Chicago which is a killing ground…a 5X/ yr Sandy Hook. Fix it there 1st, then come to us…….or is that a training ground for Obama Support?

        • Game

          I am sorry Mr. Ellipsis, but it should be hard to take away somebodies rights and institutionalize them. Institutionalizeion takes away all of somebodies rights. It should also be hard to take always somebodies gun rights, however, courts are able to do both. The problem is the background check system is a joke, and the Gun nuts don’t want to talk about changing that.

          • sbark

            ……so youd prefer to infringe the rights of millions of citizens on their 2nd Amend rights……..vrs just enforce the data base that comes with the 1968 gun laws that just might effects a small percentage with documented mental disorders.
            …..but I guess that is the history of the left—-in their quest for unlimited power and control of the masses===god given rights to humanity are crap to them, and are glad to use a crisis that they likely created against their own citizens.

      • CCW Instructor

        Game wrote: “I have a little bit of a problem with the argument that the key to making us safer is to have more people with guns. That is a little bit like saying that the answer to unsafe roads is to put more cars on the road.”
        That is a very poor analogy, Game. Doesn’t make any sense.
        Closer to the point, It would make more sense, following the flawed logic of the opportunistic gun-grabbers, to call for tighter regulation of or banning cars because a few individuals drive drunk.
        Also, you are mistaken that pro-gun folks are against restricting access to guns by people with pyschcriatric problems–they are not. The intersection of guns and crazy is exactly where action is needed, and we have been calling for that very thing, but the “advocates” of the crazy resist that. Talk to law enforcement people who do background checks. They will tell you how it is impossible to get psychriatric information unless someone has been committed or an arrest made and a charge filed. We end up with whatever they write on, for instance, a purchase form.
        The “advocates” would eventually rather lock up the normal people for their own safety so that the crazies could enjoy their freedom and not hurt anyone. This ends up being no favor to many of those who suffer a miserable existance and often meet a tragic end.
        ……………but their intentions are good, and, with liberals, intentions take precedence over results!

  • HG

    These facts aren’t going to convince liberal politicians to support our 2nd amendment rights. It’s not about safety for children, its about safety for politicians who see armed Americans as an obstacle to their political agenda.

    • flamemeister

      And it’s part of the program for creating a totalitarian state. realizing this agenda overrides all other concerns. A bunch of dead kids is just so many post-natal abortions in many liberal minds—at best collateral damage in the realizing of the basic liberal death-based agenda, and even better, a crisis to exploit.

      1. Destroy the traditional family;

      2. Undermine religion and co-opt it;

      3. Confiscation of guns;

      4. Control of health care;

      5. Control of the media;

      6. Control of education.

      All proceeding apace, some close to full realization.

      The U.S. is a Marxist revolutionary wet-dream—a petri dish of emotion-driven, hysterical morons.

      No wonder we hated the Soviets. They were our own “Portrait of Dorian Gray.”

      • HG

        It’s rather hard to believe many of these politicians and liberal voices express any sincere concern for children given their support of abortion and their unwillingness to do anything meaningful that would actually protect them. It seems liberals refuse to look at themselves. They prefer to simply imagine themselves as public servants with the best of intentions regardless of the obvious disfigurement.

    • Name

      Way to post another laughable conservative talking point, HorridGas! Your wholly unsupported characterization of the gun control proponents is sure to convince yourself and equally retarded cohorts. You can’t even acknowledge that those advocates possibly have good intentions. Never mind the debate about whether gun control would work, you’re such a hack that you actually contend none of the politicians arguing for stricter gun control actually want to stop another massacre like Sandy hook. Your delusional conspiratorial rants are exactly why Republicans lose elections so badly, so keep it up, HorridGas!

      • HG

        You’re all the support my post needs.
        Thanks for always being there.

        • Guest

          Thanks for continuing to hold your conspiratorial, meritless beliefs and helping to ensure Democrat victories for years to come, HorridGas!

      • maybetoday777

        while you make no mention of “gun-free zones” which is what caused this massacre and ALL massacres like them. You and those politicians aren’t interested in those kids so do us a favor and STFU pretender.

      • Wayne

        You see, it’s not results that matter, it’s good intentions that matter even if they do violate the Constitution. “Never mind the debate about whether gun control would work…” What are you, an idiot? What everyone has been telling you (which is supported by the facts) is that all of the proposed gun control laws have been tried, they did not work and will not work this time. Having a meaningful discussion with you idiots is impossible.

    • $8194357

      2 tru for propaganda skool…

  • $8194357

    Propaganda and manufactured narraituves.
    controling the emotions of the target populace…

    Re-labeling or rebranding to sell a manufactured narritive.

  • awfulorv

    It’s one thing to possess a gun, quite another to know how to properly use it, and have the will to use it, in a potentially deadly situation. Therefore I propose that all freedom loving states, or wealthy individuals, initiate a free program to teach gun owners how to do just that. There are armories, shooting ranges, and other spaces, which might be used to teach safety, and the most effective use of a handgun, rifle, or shotgun. How to load your own rounds, and the equipment to do so, might also be on the menu. Of course, you’re thinking, there would be a hell of a hue and cry from the Pelosi’s, the Feinstein’s, the Holder’s, and, of course, the Commies associated with the current administration, who have their own reasons for opposition to what I’m proposing. But what, rational, reason could they give for resisting such a program? Would they voice concerns over potential accidents which might occur during the programs? The teaching of violent behavior to young people, when videos games do a superb job of that already? By the way, this training would not be available to anyone with a felonious record. They’ll have to learn, as they do now, on dark streets, and hallways, in back alleys, 7-11 stores, taxi-cabs, etc. And, to generate the most publicity, and, hopefully, enrollment, in such a program, it should be initiated yesterday, when the debate over guns is now at it’s apex. Take that! you anti-gun, disarming, leftist, Marxist, traitorous, hate American, basturds.