Christians Should Welcome Atheist Monument

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In Florida, a group of atheists have put up their own monument near a public display of the 10 commandments, and they say they have plans for more monuments across the United States.

I tend to be turned off by people who get militant about their religious beliefs, be they atheist or Christian or otherwise. But in general, I support the right of free citizens to make public displays like this. And given how often Christians complain – rightly, in most instances – that there’s a war on their right to express their religious beliefs in the public square, they ought to welcome this monument.

Christians should have taken this opportunity to teach atheists a lesson by tolerating the crap out of their monument.

Sadly, it seems they squandered the opportunity:

STARKE, Fla. — A group of atheists unveiled a monument to their nonbelief in God on Saturday to sit alongside a granite slab that lists the Ten Commandments in front of the Bradford County courthouse.

As a small group of protesters blasted Christian country music and waved “Honk for Jesus” signs, the atheists celebrated what they believe is the first atheist monument allowed on government property in the United States. …

About 200 people attended the unveiling. Most were supportive, though there were protesters, including a group from Florida League of the South that had signs that said “Yankees Go Home.”

“We reject outsiders coming to Florida – especially from outside what we refer to as the Bible Belt – and trying to remake us in their own image,” said Michael Tubbs, state chairman of the Florida League of the South. “We do feel like it’s a stick in the eye to the Christian people of Florida to have these outsiders come down here with their money and their leadership and promote their outside values here.”

It seems to me that you cannot support your own right to express your religious beliefs in public while simultaneously protesting others expressing their beliefs.

I hope more atheist groups in the nation go this route, choosing to compete with Christianity and other religions in the public square instead of trying to abolish it. A free society is when we’re all allowed to express our beliefs, not when one group is silenced by another.

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  • PK

    I think most Christians wouldn’t have an issue with an honest, sincere, respectful atheist monument with their moral code and beliefs. Did you read what that monument says? All it does is mock the Christian faith and religion. It’s not sincere. They’re immature, radical fools who want religion to be banned from the public square, so they’re playing games. It would be nice to have a source for your post.

    “An atheist believes a hospital should be built instead of a church.”
    From so called “monument”.

    Ass.

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      As I said, I’m not in love with the monument.

      But I think Christians would get a lot more mileage out of visibly embracing its existence from the perspective of free expression than they will protesting it with crap country music.

      • PK

        So Christians can’t protest? Let’s look at the circumstances of that evil protest. An out of state group sues the county to remove the 10 Commandments monument at the courthouse. They lost but were told they could have their own monument. So they put up a monument ridiculing the 10 Commandments, Christianity and religion in general. And the local Christians protesting this is bad? And you didn’t say you didn’t like the monument. Stop lying to save the premise of your post. You’re entire post’s logic is completely flawed and is quite a joke.

        “The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.” Psalm 14:1

        • 7point62

          That Scripture might be the one I p!$$ed him off with long ago so he ignores me or treats me and calls me crazy…
          Truth stings…
          sins deceptions kill….

          • PK

            Well i don’t know why he wouldn’t “welcome” your beliefs.

          • 7point62

            If I was “wishy washy” with them he would….
            Being strong in the Lord and in His Spirit and Truth,
            brings many diverse responses, yes it does.
            From out and out hatred to personal attacks and accusations.
            Mostly the bigot and hater card played…
            Tin foil hat crazy and lunatic are a couple of my favorites…..
            Some of the deceived of the world, just retreat back into the darkness,
            but a lot of them wail and gnash their ideological teeth.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            Maybe I treat you like you’re crazy because you’re always ranting about some insane, off-topic conspiracy theory.

          • 7point62

            Insane to you who are blinded to them….

            Hanni loves ya now Rob….
            What does that tell ya?
            When the Jews and Christians are dis credited and/or destroyed?
            They will come after you wanna be conservitives next, huh.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            He just see’s you as you are…

          • 7point62

            he sees me as all you lost and deceived fool tools do hanni.

            No biggie here…Just shows ta go ya,
            that the enemies of my enemy is my friend,
            kind of secular delusion satan uses to get his agendas on common ground with ideological opposites…

        • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

          Wbo.said they cant protest?

          • PK

            “And the local Christians protesting this is bad?”

            That’s what i meant by my first sentence, “So Christians can’t protest?”
            Your post was condemning their protesting, even given the circumstances behind the whole saga. They were protesting. In other words showing their disgust for the insult from a bunch of out of state, immature fools. They could’ve made a serious monument with their core beliefs and morals. Instead they choose to make a mockery out of the whole thing. And you’re blaming the Christians? Can i get your source please?

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            Source for what?

            These militant atheist groups thriving on upsetting Christians. So why get upset? Congratulate them on their freedom to express themselves and take the wind out of their sails.

          • PK

            I want to know what article you posted an excerpt from. Can’t you just admit that your article has flawed logic and those local Christians were rightly protesting a mockery of their religion by an out of state group who cost their county money fighting their lawsuit to ban their religion from the public square? I understand your overall point, i’ll give you that, but this story certainly isn’t one to use as a backdrop for it. Did you know an atheist group in Fargo tried doing the same thing a while back? They wanted to put up a monument with the Treaty of Tripoli on it. Instead of taking it seriously and just doing an atheist equivalent to the 10 Commandments, they choose to attack Christianity with a twisted interpretation of a 200 year old treaty with Libya. It failed.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            The article is linked in the post.

            And I think my logic is sound. They lost the lawsuit, add they should have, so now they’re going a more appropriate route.

          • PK

            So it’s appropriate to ridicule the Christian religion? Is that what you’re saying? I’m not sure, i’m having trouble following your logic. All atheists should be ashamed of what they did. Instead, you’re looking down on the Christians protesting it.

          • agoodatheist

            Uh, I know it’s late but the Christian posts in this string amazed me. Number 1, atheism is not a religion. It has no dogma, no saviour, no holy book, no threats of hell, no supernatural beliefs. It is simply “the theory or belief that God does not exist”. We all don’t meet in churches with various rituals singing songs to an invisible friend in the sky. Christians have all your churches, all your public displays, all your politicians, your holidays…..all of these symbols of support for your God and book of fables and yet you go bat S#^t crazy over a group getting a single monument. You must not be secure in your beliefs if this upsets you so. BTW – many atheists, like myself, consider themselves to be humanists, hence the hospitals before churches. Humanists strive for the well being of all humans not just the ones that believe in your saviour or your God. Certainly a hospital does more real, verifiable, provable, good for the world than any church. Don’t get me wrong. Feel free to pray if it helps you and yours. Just be open and accepting of those that may disagree with you. Doesn’t Jesus (if he existed) say something to that effect?

          • PK

            There are a large amount of hospitals in the world that are owned and run by churches. The largest charities in the world are churches. Granted there’s always corruption in every worldly institution, but to suggest that churches do no good for the world is quite laughable and any logical atheist would never say such a thing. The atheist group was the one going bat feces crazy over the 10 Commandments monument on county property. Like i said, if atheists want a monument, take it serious and have a respectful monument meant to inspire. Don’t use the opportunity to throw a temper tantrum and ridicule Christians because they lost their lawsuit, then call Christians protesting it bad. They might as well have spray painted all over the 10 Commandments monument, the message is equivalent. You saying that Christians only care for others who believe in Christ shows how you know nothing about what’s actually written in the Bible or specifically what Jesus said. But yeah, why would you want to actually read that book of fables anyway? Richard Dawkins is a better writer.

          • agoodathiest

            I’ve read that book of fables and it is just that. You put a lot of words in my mouth and people SHOULD have been going crazy over a public monument to the 10 Commandments. BTW – Did they post the penalties for not following those commandments? Death for using the Lord’s name in vain. One of the few non-lethal commandments is ironically killing someone! To the words in my mouth comment, I never said churches didn’t do any good, I am just convinced a hospital does more good, more verifiable, no doubt about it good. Tell you what, if you or a family member gets a terminal illness, are you going to go to church and pray or go to hospital where they can likely cure that disease? And when I say humanists care about all people, we aren’t sending people of other faiths to hell or say they should be killed for not believing in the same faith. And I think you are being overly sensitive about the mockery thing. Put the word Christian in where it says atheist and I am guessing you will think it is a fine monument. And if you are feeling put upon, my poor Christian friend, I have been an atheist for 40 years, always afraid of how coming out would impact my friendships, my families, my work….in the USA I am sure espousing your religion never caused these concerns. So get over one monument whether you think it makes a mockery or not. Let the other side have a voice whether you agree with it or not. Dawkins, Hitchens, and Harris are all better writers and they write about facts with evidence. Or are you still putting your faith on a 600 year old man and his ark? OK, sorry, that was mockery.

          • sbark

            …maybe not yet in this country………….According to The Black Book of Communism the total murdered by Atheist-Communist regimes approaches 100 million people. According to R.J. Rummel (author of Death By Government), the figure could exceed 250 million.

            ……we once again come full circle to a radical element inside a leftist based group, that the moderates in the group cannot control, that the moderates enable

          • 7point62

            Truth stings….
            Deceptions KILL…

      • 7point62

        We were “tolerant” with the homosexual lifestyle and look where that has got us…False cause marriage
        agenda to bring satan into the church…

        • sbark

          Tolerance is the last virtue of a dying society. Sir Aristotle

          • 7point62

            Yes sir.
            My believe in free will choice allows me to be tolerant,
            but still Stand Firm in the Truth and hold my ground.
            This new age social justice tolerance/diversity ideology
            wants to destroy me and my
            Faith with its stealth agendas of tolerance and diversity…
            That I will not tolerate….
            It is of the devil and not of God.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            You don’t hold your ground, you contaminate it. What ever it is you believe you stand for, would do a lot better without your voice. You really should consider learning to be a less bigoted person with radical and insane views of conspiracies.

          • 7point62

            (You don’t hold your ground, you contaminate it.)
            Ah shucks sharkbait….
            That is what all the creatures who love the darkness
            of sins deceptions say about bringing light into their world…….
            We know who’s camp your in already.
            ya don’t need to show us again…..
            Who’s insane kid?
            The moth who goes to the light?
            Or the one that flees to the darkness to be eaten by the bat?

          • 7point62

            Zechariah 14:9
            New King James Version

            (NKJV)

            9 And the Lord shall be King over all the earth.
            In that day it shall be—
            “The Lord is one,”
            And His name one.

            Jesus…

            The One Name that will rule for 1000 years from Jerusalem..
            when the government shall be upon His Shoulders.
            Even before He took upon the Flesh,
            He told us to believe He would do what He was sent by His Father to do..

      • 7point62

        1 Corinthians 2:3-5
        New King James Version
        (NKJV)

        3 I was with you in weakness,
        in fear, and in much trembling.
        4 And my speech and my preaching were not with
        persuasive words of human wisdom,
        but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
        5 that your faith
        “should not be in the wisdom of men”
        but in the power of God.

      • 7point62

        2 Peter 3:7-10
        New King James Version
        (NKJV)

        7 But the heavens and the earth
        which are now preserved by the same word,
        are reserved for fire until the day of judgment
        and perdition of ungodly men.

        8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing,
        that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years,
        and a thousand years as one day.

        9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise,
        as some count slackness,
        but is longsuffering toward us,
        not willing that any should perish
        but that all should come to repentance.

        The Day of the Lord

        10 But the day of the Lord
        will come as a thief in the night,
        in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise,
        and the elements will melt with fervent heat;
        both the earth and the works that are in it
        will be burned up

      • sbark

        Atheists love to quote their mentor Nietzsche……….a man. If Jesus is a God–wouldn’t it be smart to quote him?………..and if Jesus, as atheists beleive, is just a man……..cannot Atheists respect the desire of Christians to quote him, just as much as Atheists want to quote Nietzsche?

        ****
        …….or is their end goal simply to remove a foundation of morals to be replaced by another final arbiter of morals……..the govt? The radcial element of Atheism has its roots in the teachings of Marx.

        Why don’t the Atheists go after another human declared “messiah”……shouldn’t they demand that any likeness of Obama be removed from any public display?….or does his push toward bigger govt fit their ideology to a tee?

        • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

          “Atheists love to quote their mentor Nietzsche …”

          Ahem … no they don’t. In fact, the most famous “atheist” of them all ripped atheists mercilessly. A close study of N. and his writings indicates that he was a very strange atheist indeed; some have said he was a Christian saint. N. is no philosopher for children.

          • sbark
          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            And your point would be? The popular, ignorant notion that N. was an atheist is, at best, simplistic. Outside of the famous N. quote that “God is dead,” (a declaration that is not even original with N.) what other relevant quotes of his are bandied about by modern atheists? Even the “God is dead” quote in N.’s original context fairly drips with irony. N. was also co-opted by the Nazis, even though N. was the very opposite of an anti-Semite and frequently expressed his disgust for Germans.

          • two_amber_lamps

            Beware the google/bing search amigo… they often just graze the surface.

          • 7point62

            And Marx was a Jew who was raised with Christian religion
            and went over to the dark side….
            Funny how that works, huh.

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            And Stalin started out training for the priesthood, as I recall. The content may change, but the template remains the same. …

          • 7point62

            Yeah…
            it could be a pattern, huh..
            Hitler as well..

          • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

            They chose poorly. …

          • 7point62

            10X

      • 2hotel9

        I think local ministers should take turns standing on it and preaching.

        • two_amber_lamps

          Long time no see 2h9…. welcome back!

          • 2hotel9

            Hey, been here all along, just stopped going in circles with leftards here. Look at this thread, the same people going round and round, nothing new, just tranni and its suckpuppets spewing the same thing tranni uses its suckpuppets to spew. I quit keeping track of all tranni’s usenames, its just tedious.

    • BK

      Right.
      That whole thing called the “Bible” and how it condemns atheists and all other religions.
      Yeah..
      That doesn’t mock and offend other religions and beliefs.
      No, not at all. Christians are so tolerant, kind, and loving and would never look down on others!

      • PK

        I’m defending the local Christian’s right to protest the monument due to it’s content. I’m not saying it shouldn’t be there. So atheists should be proud of a monument that represents atheism as a bigoted, anti-Christian worldview? From your comment, i would guess you like it. So it’s ok for you to express your beliefs, but it’s bad for Christians to express theirs? You don’t know what you’re talking about.

  • Neiman

    Paul used the false idols of his day as an opportunity to present the Gospel message and attacking Satan right where he lives, like in this monument. Let it stand, but use this obscenity as a pulpit to preach Christ every day, use the foolishness of these hell bound atheists as an opportunity to convert souls to Christ. Oh, the idols of Paul’s day mostly stayed in place and endured for a time, but none of them lasted as long as the Christian faith nor enjoyed a fraction of the success of Christ in changing the world.

    Welcome the monument? Yes, as a bully pulpit for spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

  • HG

    This sign is antagonistic, confrontational and offensive, but I think that was the point. Nothing civil about it.

    Unfortunately, this monument does capture the “spirit” of the most vocal atheists among us.
    .

    • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

      Right. And Cnristians are never antagonistic?

      You cant have it both ways. You cant complain about the assault on Christianity and then oppose the expression of.others.

      • HG

        I don’t think we’ve put up a monument intended to antagonize and mock atheists.

        I don’t oppose the expression of others. They can have their monument for all I care. I just thought it deserved an accurate characterization. But don’t expect the attitude expressed in that monument to win any converts.
        Ask this guy how many he converted:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUZMxeWybGY

        • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

          You want me to post a bunch of videos of people with religion acting like assholes?

          All i was saying – and I’m right – that the best way to take the wind out of their sails is to ignore the monument. Or congratulate them for their expression of their beliefs.

          Protesting them gives them exactly what they want.

          • 7point62

            (All i was saying – and I’m right -)
            Secular mans arrogance and self exaltation
            flying in the face of the Godly Wisdom and Truth
            of Him who created them…
            Kinda like…
            the devil exalting himself above God, huh…
            Who’s your ideological daddy, Rob?

          • HG

            I hear what your saying. It may have gone over better had you acknowledged the “scorn and derision” in that monument as well as the fact that most, if not all of the activist atheist’s efforts are not aimed at promoting atheism but demeaning religion. They have been protesting, mocking, scorning, deriding, and suing at every turn.

            In a country founded on inalienable rights given by our Creator– not govt’ — you can see how attempts to establish atheism form those whose efforts have had some success culturally and socially, might be protested.
            Ignoring them hasn’t had the results you and I both would otherwise expect.

          • 7point62

            (In a country founded on inalienable rights given by our Creator– not govt)
            Funny how this so called conservative atheist rejects these
            parts of our true history and founding documents, huh…

          • 7point62

            Zechariah 14:9
            New King James Version
            (NKJV)

            9 And the Lord shall be King over all the earth.
            In that day it shall be—
            “The Lord is one,”
            And His name one.
            End quote
            JESUS is that Name.

            I will Stand Firm in my Faith as
            you are being used to tear down and attack
            what God has pre ordained with your
            “secular knowledge and mans wisdom/understandings”.

            Before the foundations of Creation Christ was pre destined to
            put on mortal flesh and come to us who where not of the Jewish promises of the Old Testament….

            When He returns next?

            He will be the Lion of the Tribe of Judea
            as Israel was looking for Him the first go round…

            You are FREE to reject these Truths and Facts,
            but at your own peril,
            and NO I don’t need to back down to your or anyone elses
            limited understanding and false knowledge.
            (lies received as truth)

          • Neiman

            That is what every person in the world wants – Christians to shut up, to surrender the world to your secular, anti-Christ beliefs. As I suggested, Christians should go to that monument and use it as a pulpit to present the Gospel and show the utter foolhardy nature of all atheists, take them on as Paul did going INSIDE the temples devoted to idols and there preach the Gospel,. converting souls away from the lie of atheism.

          • KCMcGinnis

            Exactly, Rob. And that is exactly how Community Men’s Fellowship, the group that put up the Ten Commandments monument, responded. From their Facebook: “We want you all to remember that this issue was won on the basis of this being a free speech issue, so don’t be alarmed when the American Atheists want to erect their own sign or monument. It’s their right. As for us, we will continue to honor the Lord and that’s what matters.”

            You should read some of the warm responses from atheists to those comments: http://whatmatterstogod.wordpress.com/2013/06/13/the-atheist-monument-its-a-good-thing/

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            Wonderful. That’s the right response.

            Let’s all just respect one another’s freedoms.

        • HG
        • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

          How many converts do you think you, Nieman and 7point have created?

          • Neiman

            How many people have you led to Jesus Christ with your pro-abortion, pro-homosexuality, pro-gay marriage and other anti-Christian beliefs?

            That is the ministry of all Christians, sharing the Gospel with the whole world to the saving of souls, but it is also true that all but the tiniest minority of people feel great hostility towards the people sharing the Gospel and the Christian faith. I know you are ignorant of the Christian faith, but Jesus, John the Baptist, Paul, most of the Apostles and a myriad of Christians martyrs were murdered by the people of this world, your people, because the Gospel itself is offensive, it calls for repentance, turning from sin and embracing Jesus not only as Savior but the Lord of their lives and those things you and they will never do, because it means being humbled under the heavy hand of God about your self worth, showing how unworthy you are and then openly confessing your unworthiness to others and of your embrace of Jesus.

            Now you have added to your sins against God an embrace of atheism.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            I haven’t lead anyone into hell. God gave us free will. I can only help people understand His mercy.

            “There is no man so vile that should he turn to Jesus at the last moment of his life, truly repentant of his sins that would not receive His Salvation.” -Nieman

          • Neiman

            But you fail to teach even more strongly that repentance must precede mercy, you do not talk of repentance except against conservatives and Bible believing Christians that you HATE.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Admit that you lie when you say I lead others into Hell. For you accidentally admitted that “There is no man so vile that should he turn to Jesus at the last moment of his life, truly repent of his sins that would not receive His Salvation”. – Neiman

            I don’t defend child molesters like you do by stating how they will be forgiven, nor do I say it about homosexuals. I say it about sinners. You pick and choose which sin you want to be outraged against (GOP vs Democrat), as you have clearly stated that sluts and whores had a right to sell themselves, and Marines had a right to “get them some” whores, and it was none of your business. That’s condoning of sin…not condemning it.

          • Neiman

            There is no hope for you, your lies are just like breathing to you.

            I do not defend child molesters, I have said it several times; I have spoken of repentance and forgiveness which is God’s Word and I showed you God’s Word on the subject; but, you reject God’s Word, just as you deny Jesus by refusing to confess Him. You refuse to admit that the mercy of God ONLY follows true repentance.

            You have never called homosexuality a sin, above you take homosexuals out of the category of sinners. You do not think it a sin do you? You do not believe that without repentance and accepting Jesus they will go to hell, do you? I did not lie, when you cover up homosexuality and mass child murder you lead those people into hell by not seeking their repentance and new birth in Christ, you are an agent of hell I am sad to say.

            You know you lie about my condoning sluts and whores, you paste those words out of context and refuse to include my clear declarations against those sins, because as a liberal and non-Christian, you must lie, you must like your father in hell twist words to condemn Christ and Christians, while you defend homosexuals and those that murder children.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Again, you defend GOP child molesters by claiming with sincere repentance, they will be forgiven. I view all sin equally. Your sin, homosexual and heterosexual sin are all the same in God’s eyes.

            You selectively choose which sins to be outraged against, because you use religion and God as weapon. God forgive and have mercy on your soul.

          • Neiman

            It is impossible to engage in serious debate a pathological liar. I have denied over and over defending this child molester, yet you keep claiming I have with absolutely no proof – that is worse than habitual lying, it is worse than pathological lying, it is surely demonic in nature.

            Yes, I claim all sinners if they sincerely repent, which means not juts loathing and confessing their sins, but having a sincere desire to not offend in this way again they will be forgiven and be born again of the Spirit, yes even murderers and gay advocates like yourself can be forgiven and saved – that is the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

            “Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.” II Corinthians 7:10

            Romans 10:9, “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.”

            What, then, is the connection between repentance and salvation? The Book of Acts seems to especially focus on repentance in regards to salvation (Acts 2:38; 3:19; 11:18; 17:30; 20:21; 26:20). To repent, in relation to salvation, is to change your mind in regard to Jesus Christ. In Peter’s sermon on the day of Pentecost (Acts chapter 2), he concludes with a call for the people to repent (Acts 2:38). Repent from what? Peter is calling the people who rejected Jesus (Acts 2:36) to change their minds about Him, to recognize that He is indeed “Lord and Christ” (Acts 2:36).Peter is calling the people to change their minds from rejection of Christ as the Messiah to faith in Him as both Messiah and Savior.

            Repentance and faith can be understood as “two sides of the same coin.” It is impossible to place your faith in Jesus Christ as the Savior
            without first changing your mind about who He is and what He has done. Whether it is repentance from willful rejection or repentance from
            ignorance or disinterest, it is a change of mind. Biblical repentance,
            in relation to salvation, is changing your mind from rejection of Christ
            to faith in Christ.

            Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/repentance.html#ixzz2XuMrpFdQ

            What God, the God you refuse to confess as your Savior and Lord?

            I already enjoy His mercy and forgiveness and am assured of Salvation by His sacrifice. While you deny Him and He says He will deny you.

            You lie so much it is astounding, I do not pick and choose sins, I have used the word “all” referring to sins many, many times in communicating with you. I do not use religion at all, I am not religious at all. I do not use God a s a weapon, I simply use His Word and you feel condemned because of your bragged about serial, prolific fornications, your declaring homosexuality not to be a sin while God condemns it, by your supporting gay marriage which God does not permit or condone and by your being accomplice to mass murder.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            But there is proof, habitual liar. You posted in the thread about the GOP child molester that he would be saved, with repentance….even though the article never discussed his condemnation from God, just condemnation from us. You and 7point volunteered that defense of the GOP child molester on your own. That is defending him, like it or not.

            All sin is equal, too bad you promoted heterosexual sin and whores who sell their body…..now you can’t claim to be consistent, like I can.

          • 7point62

            Jesus saves the souls kid…
            It is my job to make folks aware of His options….

          • petrakeena

            You get an A+ for effort Silver Jesus.

          • 7point62

            Thanks, but my rewards or lack there of will be given me in Heaven by my Boss….

      • 7point62

        Why not?

        We are now pushed into the corner accused
        by every sector of the secular world?

        When cornered with no avenue of retreat?
        Stand Firm and Fight with the weapons that
        are not carnal, but mighty in the Holy ghost.

        Scriptural Spiirtual Truth against the lies of sins deceptions and their followers, like you and your ideologies exalting yourself above the knowledge of God.

        2 Corinthians 10:1-7
        New King James Version
        (NKJV)

        The Spiritual War

        10 Now I, Paul, myself am pleading with you by the meekness and gentleness of Christ—
        who in presence am lowly among you, but being absent am bold toward you.
        2 But I beg you that when I am present I may not be bold with that confidence by which I intend to be bold against some, who think of us as if we walked according to the flesh.
        3 For though we walk in the flesh,
        we do not war according to the flesh.
        4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal
        but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,
        5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God,
        bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
        6 and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.

        Reality of Paul’s Authority

        7 Do you look at things according to the outward appearance? If anyone is convinced in himself that he is Christ’s, let him again consider this in himself, that just as he is Christ’s, even so we are Christ’s.

      • HG

        Rob,
        As an atheist, you can’t tell me you’re proud of this monument, can you?

        • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

          I’m not a fan. It’s a monument to scorn and derision. Nothing to celebrate.

          • HG

            I thought so.

          • PK

            “I hope more atheist groups in the nation go this route,”

          • HG

            PK,
            While this was a very poor example and one that Rob admits he is nothing to be proud of, — he acutally sounds somewhat embarrassed by it — I think his meaning in the quote you cited was strictly in the context of competition between ideas and not an approval of its message.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            Why would I be embarrassed? It’s not my monument.

          • 7point62

            But it is your ideology.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            My ideology is not atheism.My ideology is a conservative sort of libertarianism.

          • 7point62

            What ever name ya put on it Rob….
            They blend and become one, huh..

            Ephesians 6:12-13
            New King James Version
            (NKJV)

            12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood,
            but against principalities, against powers,
            against the rulers of the darkness of this age,
            against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
            13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God,
            that you may be able to withstand in the evil day,
            and having done all, to stand.

          • HG

            The same reason most Christians are embarrassed by over zealous, contentious Christians like those idiots at Westboro.

          • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

            You missed my meaning. I hope more atheists choose to compete with Christians rather than seeking to ban Christianity from the public square.

            In this instance , put up their own monument instead of trying to get rid of the Christian one.

      • 7point62

        Continue exalting your self and your knowledge above
        the God of Creation….It worked well for the people of the
        tower of Babel, huh…
        You secular humanists and your ideological religions
        are in for a rude awakening…

        1 Corinthians 2:3-5
        New King James Version
        (NKJV)

        3 I was with you in weakness, in fear, and in much trembling.

        4 And my speech and my preaching were not with
        persuasive words of human wisdom,
        but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,

        5 that your faith
        should not be in the wisdom of men
        but in the power of God.

      • 7point62

        PRAY FOR ME TO SPEAK BOLDLY AS I OUGHT TO SPEAK…………

        Now whip me ideological master Rob?
        Belittle me as your inferior…
        For cluttering up your” pride and joy” with “garbage”..

        Ephesians 6:5-20
        New King James Version

        NKJV)

        Bondservants and Masters

        5 Bondservants, be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ;

        6 not with eyes ervice, as men-pleasers,
        but as bondservants of Christ,
        doing the will of God from the heart,

        7 with goodwill doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men,

        8 knowing that whatever good anyone does,
        he will receive the same from the Lord,
        whether he is a slave or free.

        9 And you, masters, do the same things to them, giving up threatening, knowing that your own Master also[ is in heaven,
        and there is no partiality with Him.

        The Whole Armor of God

        10 Finally, my brethren,
        be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might.
        11 Put on the whole armor of God,
        that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
        12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood,
        but against principalities, against powers,
        against the rulers of the darkness of this age,
        against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

        13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God,
        that you may be able to withstand in the evil day,
        and having done all, to stand.

        14 Stand therefore,
        having girded your waist with truth,
        having put on the breastplate of righteousness,
        15 and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
        16 above all,
        taking the shield of faith
        with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one.
        17 And take the helmet of salvation,
        and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God;
        18 praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit,
        being watchful to this end with all perseverance and
        supplication for all the saints—
        19 and for me,
        that utterance may be given to me,
        that I may open my mouth boldly to make known the mystery of the gospel,
        20 for which I am an ambassador in chains;
        that in it I may speak boldly,
        as I ought to speak.

    • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

      Yet you support the mockery of Islam, and your Christian buddies ignore the consequences of that antagonism, yet atheists protest is an outrage to you…..what a joke.

      You have no principles at all.

      • http://sayanythingblog.com Rob

        I think Hannatized actually has a good point. It seems the Christians in this thread want their religion tolerated but the beliefs of others blocked because it offends them.

        • Neiman

          You remain wholly in error and it is, despite your protestations to the contrary, because of your anti-Christian prejudices. Many comments I read and the one I wrote were surely antagonistic to atheism BECAUSE it leads souls into hell; but were not opposed to the monument, in fact myself and a few others wanted to use it as a bully pulpit to shame atheists an lead others to Christ.

        • PK

          So who’s actually saying they should remove the atheist monument? They’re just protesting it. Just like that group of atheists did with the Ten Commandments monument. Are the Christians suing the county to remove it like the atheists did to them? I haven’t seen that being the case. It’s their right to protest the mockery the atheists turned it into.

        • 7point62

          It seems to you, huh…
          so therefore it must be the way it seems to you…
          Well ya got me on that one Rob…..

        • HG

          Atheism isn’t the offense in the monument. It’s the derision and scorn.
          You’d have to remind me of where I placed, or any Chrisitan placed a monument that treats Islam the same way this atheist monument treats religions — Islam included.

      • awfulorv

        We don’t mock Islam, we mock , deplore, and are amazed, at the savagery of those ignorant religious zealots who throw acid in a woman’s face , cut off their noses, or stone them to death, for whatever their reasons, or lack thereof. We’d feel the same way if the perps were Tibetans, Finns, Norwegians, or Californians…

      • 7point62

        There little g god tells them to convert by the sword sharkbait…
        When was the last time a Christian held a knife to anyones
        throat and told them………..
        Mo’s way or the headless hy-way?

      • HG

        Where is that monument to Christianity that mocks Islam that I support?

        • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

          You supported the video that was made to mock Islam under the guise of supporting free speech. Don’t pretend that you had principles and condemned the video as you condemn this monument.

          • HG

            So a youtube video is now the equivalent of a monument placed on American soil? That is about as lame a comparison as you could come up with.
            I never supported the video. Supporting free speech doesn’t require agreement with what is spoken.
            I support the right of these atheists to free speech as well. I just happen to think they went about it the wrong way.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            Either you oppose the mockery of religion, or you support the mockery of it. It’s called having principle.

            You can’t simply oppose the type of mockery, that’s not a principled stand against anything. But that’s how you do everything, politics included. You always look for the wormy, sleazy way out instead of standing tall with consistent principles.

            You can’t draw a line between what’s proper free speech (religious mockery) and what’s not appropriate religious mockery while pretending you have principle. It’s clear you use that as a guise for your own intolerance and bigotry.

            I didn’t oppose the video from a free speech perspective, but from a perspective of common sense. In this time it’s unnecessary to enflame radical Muslims while our men and women are serving their country trying to establish respect, trust and peace, yet you supported that free speech and condemn this act of free speech. You have no principles.

          • HG

            Hey idiot-boy. You forgot the premise of your rant is a lie. I never supported the video.

            But there is a difference between a public monument and a private youtube video of which there are millions. It seems rather telling that the first public monument to atheism is nothing more than an arrogant attack on religions — Islam included.

            Dear God, you are an idiot.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            hg.sayanythingblog.com/2012/10/12/obama-administration-benghazi-timeline/

            You admitted to supporting the free speech of their right for the video, and you wrote trying to obsolve the video of angering Muslims that caused the terrorist attack.

            You whole-heartedly supported that video while dismissing the consequences of it.

          • HG

            Well you’ve managed to remove all doubt about my claim that you’re an idiot– not as though there was much doubt remaining.
            I support everyone’s right to free speech, idiots like you included.
            I didn’t expect you had the ability to differentiate between a public monument and a youtube video. I was right about that too.
            You lecturing anyone on anything resembling principle is ridiculous.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            HG, I understand that you are emotional about this, being a bigoted Christian fundamentalist and right-wing extremist, but why not admit you lied when you called the YouTube video private, instead of a public video? Why not admit the video that singles out Islam and Mohammad is a public video that can be accessesed by anyone at anytime with an internet connection? Why not admit the monument would be seldomly seen by anyone? Why not admit that you have selective outrage and an unprincipled position against free speech rights?

            Why do you pretend that one form of mockery in the form of free speech is more offensive than another? Why not admit that your judgement on that difference is based solely on your extreme religiously bigoted views?

            You can’t, and wont, becuase you are a dishonest coward. Please do not pretend you are qualified to judge the intellect of others who constantly reveal the foolishness in your double standards and unprincipled positions.

            You can get emoitional, that’s fine…..but please speak honestly. The video is not private as you previously stated, attempting to make a difference between the two examples.

          • HG

            Honestly Hanni, you have no idea what you’re talking about.

            The video even though publicly accessible is private property and is not donated to the public for display on public property for public appreciation and civic memory like a public monument. That’s a significant difference. And one you’re either ignorant of, or willfully ignoring.

            Anyone can post a youtube video, but a public monument on public property is intended to commemorate some significant public person, idea, or event and has to be approved by a governing body once specific guidelines are met.

            So to recap for you. A privately owned video, privately produced and posted on a privately owned website for public viewing is still privately owned and in that sense is private,

            As to your “judgment” on my principles… I could care less what a liberal idiot like yourself has to say about me. The post has to do with

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            LOL. Hahaha! Oh, please tell me how posting a video on YouTube makes something private, for private viewing only, HG. That’s a good one!

            You’ve got it wrong, on multiple counts. You assume that a private sculpture on public property is in the public domain….it’s not, not necessarily. The copyright of the monument is still owned by that person or organization that made the monument. So if you tried to sell it, you wouldn’t get the governments permission, but that of the entity that owns the copyright of that work of art.

            9. Statues and other art works on federal property are in the public domain.

            Not necessarily. Ownership of the work itself (the statue or painting, etc.) and ownership of the copyright in the work aren’t the same thing. Here’s an example. The US government owns the Vietnam Women’s Memorial (the sculpture itself) and the work is on federal property, but the government does not own the copyright.

            The Vietnam Women’s Memorial Foundation owns the copyright. The artist, Glenna Goodacre, transferred the copyright to the Foundation’s
            predecessor, the Vietnam Women’s Memorial Project, Inc., in 1993. So, if you wanted to make commercial use of the sculpture (say, selling photos of it or putting its image on coffee mugs) you’d have to get
            permission.

            Why don’t you work on figuring out what is public domain and what isn’t before you try to lecture someone. My only contention was that the video is a private video, when posted on YouTube…..not the case. It’s in a public forum, more so than the monument you are throwing a conniption fit about.

            You really are a juvenile twit.

            You defended the video when it was blamed for the embassy attack and you also defended their right to mock Islam. Face it, you are a nit wit with double standards and an emotional train wreck.

          • HG

            Ownership of the youtube video and its copyright are retained by the produce even though posted on youtube. While the monument itself is donated to the public and no longer the property of the artist who still retains its copyright.

            Well H, if you don’t see the difference nobody can make you. I don’t think you’d ever get a public monument on public property that displays the prophet Mohammed in the manner he’s portrayed in that youtube video. But hey, maybe you could make that your pet project in an effort to prove no difference exists between the two. You could also ignore the difference between defending free speech and defending your monument. Just tell yourself over and over that I support your effort until your thoroughly convinced I agree with the portrayal of your monument regardless of the fact that I don’t. Afterwards, you can mount a soapbox and proclaim how unprincipled you’ve managed to convince yourself that my imagined support for your monument is.

            The atheist monument was a missed opportunity to commemorate atheism. Instead, it commemorates the derision and scorn atheists have for religion – Islam included. Not only has that point been lost on you, my time attempting to explain it to you was also wasted. But that is usually the case with you. Which I why I rarely respond to your comments anymore regardless of your persistence. But don’t give up H. Every once in a while I just might reply.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            I don’t care that the Atheist monument also criticizes Islam. That point is irrelevant, as are many of your non-arguments. What you fail to understand, even after both Rob and I have told you, is that there is no difference between the free speech right to mock religion or the free speech right to mock Islam in the video that you supported.

            Why you continue to lie about your support of the video, even after I posted your link is beyond me, maybe you just like lying to yourself and others. But the fact remains, you do now, you have in the past defended the right for those folks to mock Mohammad as well as the video it’s self for being responsible for the motivation of the terrorist attacks. It’s a provable fact.

            Now I have given clear evidence that there is no difference in terms of what is public domain between the monument and a YouTube video, so instead you just want to focus on selective outrage, as if it proves your point. Just because some are upset about governments mixing of religion and government does not mean that there is a free speech rights difference. It’s free speech, equal to one another, no matter how many times you stamp your little feet and claim there’s a difference.

          • HG

            H, I almost forgot. Why is that the atheists protest and sued to have the monument of the ten commandments removed from public property but haven’t protested or sued to remove any of the thousands of sermons, documentaries, discussion, movies or clips posted on youtube that contain the ten commandments?

            Now don’t knock yourself out trying to pin it on the atheist lack of principle. Instead, acknowledge the difference I’ve pointed out to you.

          • Hannitized, Proofs obsession

            I can’t help you if you don’t understand what some view as a violation of the first amendment and the endorsement of region in a public school.

            I can help you try to understand that free speech in public is free speech in public, on government property or not.

            Don’t try and cloud that matters with your limited understanding of what is or is not public domain, you aren’t nearly smart enough.

          • HG

            Now that you’ve been educated on the difference, care to tell me where that public monument to Christianity is whose derision and mockery you claimed I support?

  • petrakeena

    The part that I don’t like is when the president of the American Atheists stood on the monument of the ten commandments to say why he thinks it shouldn’t be there. That is completely disrespectful. Fine … he can have his opinion but standing on the monument is way out of line.

    • PK

      I think the writing on the monument is way more disrespectful.

    • sbark

      Pretty much like the Islamists that wanted to build a mosque on the site of 9-11. Historicaly that is their pattern ….after a conquest.

      • 7point62

        Our god and political ideology
        now has yours in submission…
        10X !!!!
        It is what it is…Of lucifer….
        Not what ever false cause or ideology
        they hide behind, huh.
        A thing called by any other name is still the thing.

  • ec99

    What is the difference between this and religionists defining canonical belief based strictly on their specific doctrines?

  • sbark

    How come we never see the radical element of the atheists……do this type of thing to a Islamist statue?………..is that not a relgion in their minds?

    • ec99

      Because certain followers of Islam have shown they’ll whack anyone who they feel has besmirched the name of Allah or the Prophet. Fear is a powerful force.

      • sbark

        ……or is it because their ideologies have the same end goals? Islam is all about total domination………..radical atheism has its roots in the teachings of Marx…..

        • ec99

          My bet is that atheists have no more read Marx than Christians have read the Bible in the original languages.

          • sbark

            wont argue that………but its the line of thought that connects both of them

          • 7point62

            The root cause source analogy shows the ideological root systems
            can indeed be connected to lucifer……..
            the father of all lies.

        • 7point62

          10X
          the thing called by any other name is still the thing and the source of it comes from the pits of hell…

    • 7point62

      They serve the same master…….
      period…….
      end of story, huh………………….

  • 7point62

    Secular ideologies and mans understandings and wisdoms
    are like a smooth bore musket compared to the Scripture and Spiritual Truth
    as a laser guided 10X accuracy when God sends His Word to do His Will.

    Thy Kingdom Come,
    Thy Will Be Done,
    On Earth as It IS in Heaven.

    How many times folks pray that and don’t understand it at all?

    Quote du jour
    Posted:
    29 Jun 2013
    09:01 PM PDT

    A rifle has rifling (those lands and grooves inside the barrel),
    calling a musket a “rifle” irks me. Unless the barrel is indeed rifled,
    then, if you must, call it a “rifled musket”.
    To me a musket is a smooth bore weapon
    (which have all the accuracy of a news report on MSNBC.
    Although not quite as grating on the ears. And nerves.)
    -OldAFSarge

  • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

    I think it best just to make fun of atheists. They are getting goofier by the year.

    • 7point62

      Something in the air……
      Lies and false ideologies.
      Powers and principalities that the carnal man knows little or nothing of.

      • http://flamemeister.com flamemeister

        We are essentially being jerked around with strings manipulated by third-party otherworldly puppeteers.

        • 7point62

          bible states powers and principalities,
          the rulers of the air in this fallen world of wickedness and lies…
          ideological driven men by spirits of deception, IMO.

  • NoDakNative

    I suppose part of the problem with Atheists making a monument about their morality is that the term “Objective Atheist Morality” is, to put it nicely, an oxymoron.

    If God does not exist, then objective morality, along with objective good and evil, does not exist. Top Theist and Atheist philosophers agree on this.

    From a Christian perspective, Atheists can not only recognize objective morality, but live moral lives that put many theists to shame because the moral law is written on the hearts of all people. So the problem is not that Atheists can’t be moral, the problem is that Atheists cannot JUSTIFY their moral code as OBJECTIVE.

    To describe the problem another way:

    How do you know if a drawing of Bill Clinton is an objectively “good” or “bad” drawing? Simple, you compare it to the objective standard, Bill Clinton himself.

    How do you know if a drawing of Sherlock Holmes is an objectively “good” or “bad” drawing? You don’t. Sherlock Holmes doesn’t exist, there is no standard to compare to and thus any judgement on the drawing is subjective and not objective.

    The irony is that the “Problem of Evil” that Atheists frequently bring up as an objection to the existence of God pre-supposes the existence of God. Under an Atheist worldview, the question is incoherent nonsense. For Theists, the question IS coherent and one deserving of discussion and answering.

    Here is a good 6 minute rundown of the problem by Philosopher William Lane Craig and how Christianity can answer the problem.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUCpUbYpkBc

    I ask Atheists who bring up the PoE to please define evil. Typically they give me examples of Evil, but I press them and ask them to to define evil itself. This typically stops them in their tracks. I then provide them with a definition that most will agree to; Evil is a departure from Good. I then ask them to then define what Good is. Far more Atheists get this question, the typical response can be boiled down to: Good is the way things should be. I then ask them, If we really do live in a mindless, purposeless universe, why “should” things be any particular way? If I can live my life as Joseph Staling did, why shouldn’t I?

    At this point I can typically find out if someone is an Atheist because they think it is intellectually superior, or for emotional reasons. The ones who are Atheists out of ignorance, who want to affirm the objectivity of morality, realize almost immediately that they have a very serious problem.

    The ones who are Atheists for emotional reasons typically either refuse to understand the objection against Atheisim or try to change the subject without answering the objection.

    A small majority jump from the frying pan into the fire by conceding the point, saying that objective morality doesn’t exist. At which point I then ask them why are they bringing up the PoE in the first place?

    /random rambling by me.

    • 7point62

      (I suppose part of the problem with Atheists making a monument about their morality is that the term “Objective Atheist Morality” is, to put it nicely, an oxymoron.)
      Secular ethics are humanist religions…

  • 2hotel9

    Christians should embrace this “monument”. Local ministers take turns, each a day through the week, preaching from it and taking collections for the poor. When life gives you lemons you freeze them hard as rock and throw them back.

    • Neiman

      That is what I have been saying, to a deaf audience.

  • 2hotel9

    And Rob? Glad to see you finally admit atheism is a religion.

    • 7point62

      It is what it is….

    • 7point62

      And meanwhile back at the DC
      global olagarchy central planning plantation?

      the communist/Islamic ideologies for global dominance roll on with the complicit help of the water boys and girls they own lock…stock.. and barrel…

      Sunday, June 30, 2013

      Obama’s Epic Failure in Egypt:

      Millions march in Anti-Morsi, Anti-Obama Protests

      Obama’s legacy. History will not be kind to the Muslim Brothehrood stooge in the White House. Imagine, Obama send Morsi 140,000 canisters of tear gas. They won’t soon forget.

      http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/06/obamas-epic-failure-in-egypt-millions-march-in-anti-morsi-anti-obama-protests.html

  • banjo kid

    Let them, if they are right then they have nothing in the world to worry about they live they die end of story , as for me I will follow God and His paths . If I am wrong then I will live die end of story. Of course we should embrace all peoples right to free speech but it does not mean we have to keep shut up about it we also have the right to free speech . Are we to just remain still and not say anything about it . Oh please can we also speak up to? It is our right to speak, correct?

  • Neiman

    As I predicted should happen

    Creation Evangelist Mounts America’s First Atheist Monument at Unveiling, Preaches Gospel

    STARKE, Fla. — An internationally recognized creation evangelist
    mounted the nation’s first-ever atheist monument on Saturday and began
    to preach the Gospel to the…

    Christian News Network

    • 2hotel9

      Oop, there it is. Now the N.J based Atheist group will toddle off the court and file for an injunction to stop this activity. Bet on it.

  • Hoth

    I’d be more inclined to agree with you Rob if this was and actual monument to the (dis)belief of atheists rather than an Anti-theist poke in the eye to Christians.

  • Jaime Gandarilla

    hahaha, you trully believe “Christians complain – rightly, in most instances – that there’s a war on their right to express their religious beliefs in the public”?

    Have you seen their gaudy churches, screaming pastors and million dollar nativity scenes IN GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS around the world?

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