Or he made a Freudian slip. I find it hard to believe any real American could be so tired that he forgets how many States there are in the Union, especially by that big a margin. While it may just be an amazing coincidence that he named the exact number of Islamic states in the world, I don’t buy the “tired” excuse.
robert108 - 03:05pm on 05/13/2008
Obama made a stupid gaffe because he was tired.
Lame. Lame. Lame! As I have said before,
I have never been so tired, so preoccupied, so stressed that I could not remember how many states there are in the Union, and that number has changed twice in my lifetime!
Proof - 03:05pm on 05/13/2008
does no one realize that he was JOKING?
You need to combine these two lame memes: He was telling a joke and he was so tired that his delivery was unrecognizable as humor! Heh.
Remember! You heard it here first!
Proof - 04:05pm on 05/13/2008
ISLAMIC STATES HAVE NO QURA’NIC SANCTION
By Asghar Ali Engineer
A number of Islamic countries claim that they are an Islamic state and that secularism has no place in their society. Some Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia consider secularism to be a great sin. Is there any concept of an Islamic state in the Qur’an? Or in the Hadith literature? Does an Islamic state fit into any classical model? The answer is a categorical no. The Qur’an presents a concept of society, not of any state. When the Qur’an was being revealed, Arabia had no state whatsoever whereas in Rome and Persia, the two great empires of the time, there was monarchy.
Arabia was basically a tribal society that was governed by tribal leaders through a tribal council. There was no taxation system, no police force or army. It was a civil society governed by tribal customs and traditions. Consensus was a must. Even if one tribal leader dissented, the decision could not be applied.
The Prophet was concerned with social malaise rather than with any political problem. In the Arabian peninsula at the time, tribal bonds were breaking down and a new commercial society was being born in Mecca which was the centre of high finance and commerce. There was urban-desert malaise on the one hand and problems of breaking down of tribal structure within Meccan society and polarisation between the rich and poor on the other.
The Qur’an was greatly concerned with establishing a just society. It exhorted the rich to be sensitive to others’ suffering and required them to redistribute their wealth and levied Zakat which was to be spent on the poor. It was, therefore, quite a revolutionary programme. The Qur’an laid stress on justice and benevolence in all socio-economic matters.
In spiritual life too stress was on equality and justice. While praying, all Muslims stand in one line as all humans are equal in the eyes of Allah. Even the Holy Prophet was described by the Qur’an as a servant of Allah though Allah had chosen him to send His revelation through him. No social hierarchy was recognised. Equality and justice became the primary values of Islam. And it became the duty of all believers men and women, to ``enforce what is good and eradicate what is evil’’. The primary concern of the Qur’an is to provide moral guidance and develop moral and spiritual atmosphere and set up a society which is just and benevolent for all, including the people of other faiths.
As long as the Prophet was alive all problems were referred to him and his authority was supreme. He had also drawn up a covenant between people of different faiths in Madina including the Jews, Christians and the pagans. The Prophet had given full freedom to all to practice their respective religions. Madina was a pluralist society and there was no attempt whatsoever to impose Islam on anyone unwilling. It was `secular’ in as much as plurality of religion was recognised.
However, after the death of the Prophet a political crisis developed which was sought to be resolved through historical experience as there was no categorical statement in the Qur’an or Hadith about his successor as per the Sunni tradition. Thus there was a split among the Muslims on the question of succession. Those who came to be termed later as Sunnis believed the Prophet has left no specific directive for his succession. The Shi’ah Muslims, on the other hand, believed that he had appointed Ali, his son-in-law as his successor. There was no unanimity on the question of the Prophet’s political heir and successor.
The Muslims differed on the question of state after the death of the Prophet. The Muslim political theorists had to develop a new political theory—that of two simultaneous caliphs ruling over the Muslim world. Earlier it was theorised that only one Caliph could be a legitimate one, the other, if any, being dubbed as a mere usurper. And later of course many caliphs and rulers, Fatimids in Egypt, Umayyads in Spain, Abbasids in Baghdad, Ghaznavids and others in Central Asia came into existence. Not only that Turkish generals captured real power and the Abbasid caliphs became mere figure-heads. Thus the political theories had to undergo repeated changes in the Muslim world. All a ruler could claim was that he was enforcing the Islamic Shari’ah to claim the Muslim support. But even the Shari’ah was never implemented in its real spirit. Most of these rulers were tyrants rather than God-fearing.
The Qur’anic concept of a just and benevolent society was an ideal concept which could not be realised in practice except for a brief attempt which lasted for a few years. Muslim countries claiming to be Islamic states are far from these ideals. The greatest ideal projected by the Qur’an is justice—both in personal conduct and in distribution of wealth. It is conspicuous by its absence in the Muslim countries.
Source: dawoodi bohra
nobody's fool - 09:06am on 06/10/2008
Yeah, I guess you've never been too tired to remember how many states there are. But I guess you've never run for president of the United States either, am I right? So really, you cannot imagine how tired he really was. Or maybe he was making a joke - but it seems like just a flub. Heck I don't know...you be the 'dicider' on this one America!
Yeah, I guess you’ve never been too tired to remember how many states there are. But I guess you’ve never run for president of the United States either, am I right? So really, you cannot imagine how tired he really was. Or maybe he was making a joke - but it seems like just a flub. Heck I don’t know...you be the ‘dicider’ on this one America!
LWOO - 07:09pm on 09/09/2008
I am a registered Democrat who WILL NOT vote for Obama. So when I say this I am not coming from either party I just feel like it needs to be said. If you are a Christian and you are voting for McCain because of that please don’t go around calling Obama a towel head and/or terrorist. What is the point? Do you want to show people that you can make judgements on others. That’s just great for all us other Chirstians who claim to love people and NOT judge them. Do you honestly think that God will justify your actions and words? Jesus calls us to love others as we love ourselves. And if someone is not a Christian shouldn’t you be giving off an attitude that would make them think, “Hmmm… These people really do act out what they say they believe in.” instead of “Wow! What a bunch of hypocrites!” That’s just something to think about because I haven’t really heard anyone else saying it.
jessica - 09:10am on 10/21/2008
57 Islamic states? List them, give a link, or shut up.
Sparkie Arbuckle - 09:10am on 10/21/2008
Jesus calls us to love others as we love ourselves. And if someone is not a Christian shouldn’t you be giving off an attitude that would make them think, “Hmmm… These people really do act out what they say they believe in.” instead of “Wow! What a bunch of hypocrites!”
Well said, Jessica. You are spared. Though I don’t believe that you’re a Democrat, that’s just the standard Republican caveat given before ripping into Obama.
dannyboy - 09:10am on 10/21/2008
Jessica
Thanks for your opinion. No one can stop you from believing that fictional entities are real. Its your freedom to bend at the knee and fret before madeup etherial entities. You might be wrong though. What if the Buddhists are correct?
Personally, I’m throwing my chips in with the Taoists. All this anthropomorphizing bothers me.
Sparkie Arbuckle - 09:10am on 10/21/2008
What is the point? Do you want to show people that you can make judgements on others. That’s just great for all us other Chirstians who claim to love people and NOT judge them. Do you honestly think that God will justify your actions and words?
Jessica,
Are you talking about questioning Obama’s discomfort with America and his comfort with Ayers and Wright? Or, are you speaking specifically of those who would label Obama a terrorist?
I think you have misunderstood the most widely misquoted text in scripture. Read it again in the context of the passage. We are to judge for the purpose of correcting not condemning.
7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye…
7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
The attitude and degree with which we judge things and especially others is vitally important. Verse 5 makes it clear that we are to judge but for the purpose of correcting. This requires we correct ourselves as well. To many are willing to judge to demonstrate their own supposed righteousness rather than to help.
Or he made a Freudian slip. I find it hard to believe any real American could be so tired that he forgets how many States there are in the Union, especially by that big a margin. While it may just be an amazing coincidence that he named the exact number of Islamic states in the world, I don’t buy the “tired” excuse.
Lame. Lame. Lame! As I have said before,
You need to combine these two lame memes: He was telling a joke and he was so tired that his delivery was unrecognizable as humor! Heh.
Remember! You heard it here first!
ISLAMIC STATES HAVE NO QURA’NIC SANCTION
By Asghar Ali Engineer
A number of Islamic countries claim that they are an Islamic state and that secularism has no place in their society. Some Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia consider secularism to be a great sin. Is there any concept of an Islamic state in the Qur’an? Or in the Hadith literature? Does an Islamic state fit into any classical model? The answer is a categorical no. The Qur’an presents a concept of society, not of any state. When the Qur’an was being revealed, Arabia had no state whatsoever whereas in Rome and Persia, the two great empires of the time, there was monarchy.
Arabia was basically a tribal society that was governed by tribal leaders through a tribal council. There was no taxation system, no police force or army. It was a civil society governed by tribal customs and traditions. Consensus was a must. Even if one tribal leader dissented, the decision could not be applied.
The Prophet was concerned with social malaise rather than with any political problem. In the Arabian peninsula at the time, tribal bonds were breaking down and a new commercial society was being born in Mecca which was the centre of high finance and commerce. There was urban-desert malaise on the one hand and problems of breaking down of tribal structure within Meccan society and polarisation between the rich and poor on the other.
The Qur’an was greatly concerned with establishing a just society. It exhorted the rich to be sensitive to others’ suffering and required them to redistribute their wealth and levied Zakat which was to be spent on the poor. It was, therefore, quite a revolutionary programme. The Qur’an laid stress on justice and benevolence in all socio-economic matters.
In spiritual life too stress was on equality and justice. While praying, all Muslims stand in one line as all humans are equal in the eyes of Allah. Even the Holy Prophet was described by the Qur’an as a servant of Allah though Allah had chosen him to send His revelation through him. No social hierarchy was recognised. Equality and justice became the primary values of Islam. And it became the duty of all believers men and women, to ``enforce what is good and eradicate what is evil’’. The primary concern of the Qur’an is to provide moral guidance and develop moral and spiritual atmosphere and set up a society which is just and benevolent for all, including the people of other faiths.
As long as the Prophet was alive all problems were referred to him and his authority was supreme. He had also drawn up a covenant between people of different faiths in Madina including the Jews, Christians and the pagans. The Prophet had given full freedom to all to practice their respective religions. Madina was a pluralist society and there was no attempt whatsoever to impose Islam on anyone unwilling. It was `secular’ in as much as plurality of religion was recognised.
However, after the death of the Prophet a political crisis developed which was sought to be resolved through historical experience as there was no categorical statement in the Qur’an or Hadith about his successor as per the Sunni tradition. Thus there was a split among the Muslims on the question of succession. Those who came to be termed later as Sunnis believed the Prophet has left no specific directive for his succession. The Shi’ah Muslims, on the other hand, believed that he had appointed Ali, his son-in-law as his successor. There was no unanimity on the question of the Prophet’s political heir and successor.
The Muslims differed on the question of state after the death of the Prophet. The Muslim political theorists had to develop a new political theory—that of two simultaneous caliphs ruling over the Muslim world. Earlier it was theorised that only one Caliph could be a legitimate one, the other, if any, being dubbed as a mere usurper. And later of course many caliphs and rulers, Fatimids in Egypt, Umayyads in Spain, Abbasids in Baghdad, Ghaznavids and others in Central Asia came into existence. Not only that Turkish generals captured real power and the Abbasid caliphs became mere figure-heads. Thus the political theories had to undergo repeated changes in the Muslim world. All a ruler could claim was that he was enforcing the Islamic Shari’ah to claim the Muslim support. But even the Shari’ah was never implemented in its real spirit. Most of these rulers were tyrants rather than God-fearing.
The Qur’anic concept of a just and benevolent society was an ideal concept which could not be realised in practice except for a brief attempt which lasted for a few years. Muslim countries claiming to be Islamic states are far from these ideals. The greatest ideal projected by the Qur’an is justice—both in personal conduct and in distribution of wealth. It is conspicuous by its absence in the Muslim countries.
Source: dawoodi bohra
Yeah, I guess you've never been too tired to remember how many states there are. But I guess you've never run for president of the United States either, am I right? So really, you cannot imagine how tired he really was. Or maybe he was making a joke - but it seems like just a flub. Heck I don't know...you be the 'dicider' on this one America!Yeah, I guess you’ve never been too tired to remember how many states there are. But I guess you’ve never run for president of the United States either, am I right? So really, you cannot imagine how tired he really was. Or maybe he was making a joke - but it seems like just a flub. Heck I don’t know...you be the ‘dicider’ on this one America!
I am a registered Democrat who WILL NOT vote for Obama. So when I say this I am not coming from either party I just feel like it needs to be said. If you are a Christian and you are voting for McCain because of that please don’t go around calling Obama a towel head and/or terrorist. What is the point? Do you want to show people that you can make judgements on others. That’s just great for all us other Chirstians who claim to love people and NOT judge them. Do you honestly think that God will justify your actions and words? Jesus calls us to love others as we love ourselves. And if someone is not a Christian shouldn’t you be giving off an attitude that would make them think, “Hmmm… These people really do act out what they say they believe in.” instead of “Wow! What a bunch of hypocrites!” That’s just something to think about because I haven’t really heard anyone else saying it.
57 Islamic states? List them, give a link, or shut up.
Well said, Jessica. You are spared. Though I don’t believe that you’re a Democrat, that’s just the standard Republican caveat given before ripping into Obama.
Jessica
Thanks for your opinion. No one can stop you from believing that fictional entities are real. Its your freedom to bend at the knee and fret before madeup etherial entities. You might be wrong though. What if the Buddhists are correct?
Personally, I’m throwing my chips in with the Taoists. All this anthropomorphizing bothers me.
Jessica,
Are you talking about questioning Obama’s discomfort with America and his comfort with Ayers and Wright? Or, are you speaking specifically of those who would label Obama a terrorist?
I think you have misunderstood the most widely misquoted text in scripture. Read it again in the context of the passage. We are to judge for the purpose of correcting not condemning.
The attitude and degree with which we judge things and especially others is vitally important. Verse 5 makes it clear that we are to judge but for the purpose of correcting. This requires we correct ourselves as well. To many are willing to judge to demonstrate their own supposed righteousness rather than to help.