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Wednesday, April 02, 2008

Yoo Torture Memo Analysis Part I

I just finished reading through Part I of the recently released “Yoo Torture Memo.” Given the memo’s balkanizing (pardon the pun) content, I figured I would run through a part by part analysis as I read through it. I apologize for not going through it in whole, but 83 straight pages of analysis is beyond my pay grade here at SayAnything. That said, I would appreciate any additions/critiques of my reasoning, though I suggest that you send any non-legal (read: emotional opinions) directly to your congressman.

Part I: Does the Constitution prohibit the president from authorizing torture of alien enemy combatants?

Short answer: No.

Long answer:

The Fifth Amendment due process clause and the Eighth Amendment proscription against “cruel and unusual punishment” provide potential Constitutional barriers to Presidential authorization of torture.

Fifth Amendment Analysis:

1.
The Constitution vests the Executive Branch with the sole authority to conduct war. The Fifth Amendment was not designed to restrict the Executive Branch’s authority to conduct war (plenty of case law over 200 years is cited in the memo to back this up). Were we to take the view that it was, then the President would have to turn to Congress before making any war time decision. If this were the case, we would not need a Commander-in-Chief, and the Founding Fathers would not have bothered providing for one.

2. 
Even if we assume that the Fifth Amendment applies to war conduct, it would make no sense that the Due Process clause would apply to alien combatants. If it did, we would get some freaky outcomes. Example: The US government would have to provide a trial (including habeas corpus) for every single enemy soldier in an enemy fortification before we authorized our troops to attack and take that fortification. Or, we would have to put every single one of our soldiers on trial for murder whenever he killed an enemy combatant.

Eighth Amendment Analysis:

This one is simple. The ban on cruel and unusual punishment only applies to criminals that we punish after they receive their Fifth Amendment due process. If the Fifth Amendment does not apply to enemy soldiers (for the above reasons), then we never make it into the area of the Eighth Amendment.

Stay tuned for Parts II-IV – the much tougher, ethics-laden, area of analysis.

Comments

Avatar for Lestat

This is the most sophmoric analysis of the Constitution I have ever read. 

You are an idiot.

Lestat on April 2, 2008 at 09:27 pm

When it’s least expected
you’re elected.
You’re the star today

Smile!
You’re being tried
as a war criminal

With a hocus-pocus - you’re in focus.  It’s your lucky day

Smile! You’re on Candid Camera!
Pinochet
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The judge and prosecutor were particularly struck by the immunity from prosecution provided by the Military Commissions Act. “That is very stupid,” said the prosecutor, explaining that it would make it much easier for investigators outside the United States to argue that possible war crimes would never be addressed by the justice system in the home country—one of the trip wires enabling foreign courts to intervene. For some of those involved in the Guantánamo decisions, prudence may well dictate a more cautious approach to international travel. And for some the future may hold a tap on the shoulder.

“It’s a matter of time,” the judge observed. “These things take time.” As I gathered my papers, he looked up and said, “And then something unexpected happens, when one of these lawyers travels to the wrong place.”

the definition of torture, as set out in the 1984 Convention, which is binding on 145 countries, including the United States. Torture includes “any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person.”

Whatcha Gonna Do When They Come For YOO

WOOF on April 2, 2008 at 10:09 pm

I’m to tired to make a reasonable analysis at this time, but want to stay informed as to the comments on this… so I’ll add only this: If Lestat and Woof have problems with your blog, it must be worth investigating.


“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another...it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
Saint-Exupéry

laydownSally on April 3, 2008 at 01:49 am

This is the most sophmoric analysis of the Constitution I have ever read.

Part I was pretty straight forward… I merely summarized what was written.

WOOF,

International treaties are covered in Part III, haven’t gotten to it yet.


Filmeneutics.com

“Behind Communism, Fascism, behind all occupations and invasions lurks a more basic, pervasive evil… a parade of people marching by with raised fists and shouting identical syllables in unision.” - Milan Kundera

Hairy Polemic on April 3, 2008 at 04:45 am

one of the trip wires enabling foreign courts to intervene.

Like I said, I haven’t looked at Part III yet, but I imagine that any analysis as to international legality would pretty much fall to the fact that it’s one thing for an international court to convict the dictator of some dinky latin American country and quite another for them to try a US leader. Like it or not, the international legal sphere is a purely anarchic one where might makes right.

Bush has been traveling internationally (like Pinochet did when he got arrested) for years now. No one has detained him—that pretty much settles the argument on international grounds IMO.


Filmeneutics.com

“Behind Communism, Fascism, behind all occupations and invasions lurks a more basic, pervasive evil… a parade of people marching by with raised fists and shouting identical syllables in unision.” - Milan Kundera

Hairy Polemic on April 3, 2008 at 05:12 am

No way anyone is arresting and trying a sitting US Pres.
The problems of the Secret Service and Stealth bombers precludes that.

Rumsfeld has already faced threats of arrest in Europe on two occasions.
Once out of power , things may be different, especially for minor officials and attorneys.

WOOF on April 3, 2008 at 06:00 am

WOOF,

1. I don’t see attorneys getting tried for drafting opinions on the law—that would be rediculous (not to mention fascist).

2. Threats are one thing, but actually arresting even a minor US official is quite another. I don’t think any European country has the balls right now, even with our decline in foreign influence.

That said, the International part of the memo assumes that the US will concede to ligitimate international human rights concerns and analyzes the law in that light. So we’ll see what it says when I get to it tonight.


Filmeneutics.com

“Behind Communism, Fascism, behind all occupations and invasions lurks a more basic, pervasive evil… a parade of people marching by with raised fists and shouting identical syllables in unision.” - Milan Kundera

Hairy Polemic on April 3, 2008 at 06:16 am

Lestat...you’re even annoying me now. Dialing back on the trash talk won’t win over the usual suspects but there are lots of SA readers who appreciate reasoned and civil comments.

HP...great start. I’m looking forward to the next installment.


"There are different kinds of truths for different kinds of people. There are truths appropriate for children; truths that are appropriate for students; truths that are appropriate for educated adults; and truths that are appropriate for highly educated adults, and the notion that there should be one set of truths available to everyone is a modern democratic fallacy. It doesn’t work.”

Irving Kristol

MikeAdamson on April 3, 2008 at 06:31 am
Avatar for FlyOnTheWall

Thanks Hairy,
Looking forward to the heavier meat and I’m happy to have someone else do it. 

(Whoo!  Just barely missed hitting Godwin’s law a couple posts in there.)

FlyOnTheWall on April 3, 2008 at 12:53 pm
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