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Don’t hold your breath until the apologists for the terrorist come up with another reason they hate us!

F**K ‘em!!! 

Take all five of them, and any others that are subsequently captured, to a very quiet, secret place.  Separate them forcibly from any knowledge they may possess about Islamist terrorism… no matter what methodology is required to do so.  Then return the bodies to their country of origin with our heartfelt condolences.

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“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Please don’t tell me you are stupid enough to believe that “They hate us for our freedom.” They give a fuck about our freedom.

They hate us because our policies have been designed to dominate the region and nobody likes to be dominated.  That is why if you occupy a nation you first have to crush them.

Right, lestat.  It’s all our fault.

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When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Right, lestat.  It’s all our fault.

You don’t have to be much of a student of history to understand that our support of dictators such as the Shah of Iran and Saddam Hussein doesn’t engender any love for us. 

Do you believe that they hate us for our freedom?

I believe that’s part of it, sure.  Though I’ll readily admit that America has made a lot of mistakes in the middle east in the past.  A lot of western countries have, and it was all done for the sake of political expediency.

But that doesn’t excuse 9/11, and it doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be fighting for freedom there now.

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When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

Rob’s recently listened-to songs:

You don’t have to be much of a student of history to understand that our support of dictators such as the Shah of Iran and Saddam Hussein doesn’t engender any love for us.

Lucky for you! You don’t seem to be much of a student of history!
We supported the Shah 30 years ago, so they hate us and want to kill us. Various and sundry Germans, Italians and Japanese supported Hitler sixty years ago, so we hate them and want to kill them?
Your analysis is too shallow to be taken seriously. Coincidentally, it is the same analysis of most modern liberals!

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For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Lestat,

Your “theory” is not supported by the history of the Americas (mostly central and south), which are far more under the thumb of the United States and which do NOT export terrorism.

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Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

Lestat vomits out, Please don’t tell me you are stupid enough to believe that “They hate us for our freedom.” They give a fuck about our freedom.

Question for you: what were the cartoon riots about?

Remember the signs? “Behead those who insult Islam”.

That had nothing to do with hatred of freedom of speech, right?

Go ahead and vomit out another excuse Lestat.

lestat, you are to stupid to be using that usename. Can we do something about that, gang?

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Perhaps lestupid would be more suitable? Or lemoron? Or lesocialist? Maybe leidiot?

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Oh, and my favorite point in this current saga is that these mental midgets, who could not even pull off a very simple, straight forward operation, are all college educated supposedly intelligent specimens of their cause. TFF(to fucking funny).

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these mental midgets, who could not even pull off a very simple, straight forward operation, are all college educated supposedly intelligent specimens of their cause.

Maybe that’s the reason you should always get a second opinion!

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For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

We supported the Shah 30 years ago, so they hate us and want to kill us.

30 years is about one generation.  That means that the people who grew up under the Shah are now in charge.  You seem to makee my point for me. 

Do you really believe that our policies have no effect on the world?

Lestat: Come, let us reason together - they hate us for one reason and one reason only - ISRAEL. Islam is devoted to the annihilation of Israel and the extermination of every Jew on earth; and the United States more than any other country supports and defends Israel. That is changing, the Democrats and even some Republicans are expressing hatred for Israel and are fighting for us to support Palestine and turn our back on the Jews. Jimmy Carter a card carrying anti-Semite and anti-Zionist comes to mind as a case in point, or among Republicans Jim Baker.

Yes, there are other matters that irritate Islamic extremists, but even those points of anger can be traced directly back to our support of Israel. The anger about supporting the Shaw is a strawman, a diversion from their only point of real anger with the West - being Israel!

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

You seem to makee mypoint for me.

Damn, Lestwit ! I write two sentences, you can only follow the argument for one ? Major ADD!

Various and sundry Germans, Italians and Japanese supported Hitler sixty years ago, so we hate them and want to kill them?

Of which of those two generations that followed WWII was that true?
Or can you only makee no sensey?

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For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

i don’t deny that our support of Isreal is an issue but to deny that the cobbling together of Iraq by the British (and later by proxy the US) after WWI to gain access to their oil just shows ignorance of history.  They aren’t nearly as stupid or ignorant of their own history as you want to treat them.

Proof your examples are not analogous.

Where in Germany or Japan did we support a tyrant to the detriment of the people.  You obviously are nearly as stupid as Likwidshoes, come up with a real argument.

Where in Germany or Japan did we support a tyrant to the detriment of the people.  You obviously are nearly as stupid as Likwidshoes, come up with a real argument.

Damn, Les twit ! Learn how to read! The argument was about hating those who supported a tyrant. We don’t hate THEM and we don’t seek to kill or behead THEM. Learn how to reason Les twit !
BTW, being called stupid by you is like being called ugly by a monkey!
Besides, you wouldn’t know a real argument if it came up and bit you on your voluminous backside!

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For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Lestat: I said there were peripheral issues that made us less than loved by Islam; but I have studied that religion and if you do not understand that hatred for Israel and every Jew on earth is not at the center, not the core of Islamic hatred of the West, with all due respect I don’t think you know much about this centuries old issue at all.

Israel is a piss ant sized country with very little in natural resources and until Israel became a nation again in 1948 and made it a productive land, it wasn’t fit for goats. Yet, every Muslim on earth and every Arab has a deep seated, passionate hatred for Jews and they lust after a land that was never in any sense their land. They want all of Israel even though they have no claims upon one inch of that country.

Every country in the world is burdened with the Middle East problems and at the center of those problems you will find Israel and little else. Think about it, the entire world for most of world history has been focused on that little peace of land and caught up in hatred for the Jews.

If we turned our back on Israel and wholly supported the Palestinian cause - including their rights to all of Israel, I can guarantee you that 90%+ of all the world’s problems in the Middle East would be solved. Until and unless that happens, we will never have anything close to peace on earth, and Islam will be focused on annihilating Israel and killing every Jew on the globe.

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

I understand that you didn’t study either logic or history in your high school education.

Your examples are not analogous. 
We defeated both Germany and Japan.  In Iran we supported a tyrant.  The tyrant was overthrown and the people who overthrough him understood who supported him.  They were not defeated.

I think a bigger question is why the liberals like Lestat hate our country [I’m assuming he (it) is an American; if not his opinion counts for nothing].

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You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

Your examples are not analogous.
We defeated both Germany and Japan.

Sigh! You can lead a horse’s ass to logic, but you can’t make him think! Les twit: Try reading the argument
m o r e s l o w l y !  Work on your comprehension. (There’ll be a test later!)

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For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Doc dave: I’ll tell you one thing, without wanting to be disrespectful to Lestat, he knows very little about Islam or the Middle East; or he could not imply that anything else was at the center of the hatred of Islam for the West except Israel.

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Proof: A ‘horses ass to logic?” I have never tried!

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Explain to me how Germany and Japan are analogous to Iraq and Iran.

Here is your chance, I doubt you take it.  Insults are much easier.

Neiman said, Lestat: Come, let us reason together - they hate us for one reason and one reason only - ISRAEL.

If only it were that simple. The Islamists hate us for a multitude of reasons, not the least of which is that Western Civilization allows all sorts of freedoms that they would stone you for.

Lestat vomits, You obviously are nearly as stupid as Likwidshoes, come up with a real argument.

Just answer the question smart guy - what were the cartoon riots about?

You won’t answer because to answer that simple question destroys your premise.

Lestat said, Here is your chance, I doubt you take it.  Insults are much easier.

Right. Which is all I’ve been getting from you.

I’d like to know how the cartoon riots can be blamed on “our policies [that] have been designed to dominate the region”.

I wonder if you’ll answer me now or if you’ll just continue to insult me. I doubt you’ll answer. Insults are much easier.

Islam declared war on the rest of the world over 1300 years ago, and they have never changed that.  Duh.

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I get so tired of people posting here that either cannot read the English language or simply refuse to do so. I said several times THERE ARE PERIPHERAL ISSUES, certainly the West’s rejection of Islamic Law is one of those issues; But, at the heart of their hatred, the one cause that creates murderous suicide bombers and Islamic terrorists is our support of Israel.

I have studied this issue for decades from a Judeo-Christian perspective and as it involves Islam.

Qur’an 4:47 “O you People of the Book to whom the Scripture has been given, believe in what We have (now) revealed, confirming and verifying what was possessed by you, before We destroy your faces beyond all recognition, turning you on your backs, and curse you as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers, for the decision of Allah Must be executed.”

Qur’an 2:64 “But you [Jews] went back on your word and were lost losers.  So become apes, despised and hated. We made an example out of you.”
Ishaq:240 “The Jews are a nation of liars.... The Jews are a treacherous, lying, and evil people.”

Why do they want Israel?
Qur’an 33:26 “Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before.”

Qur’an 33:26 “Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before.”

Tabari VIII:130 “The Messenger said during his final illness, ‘Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.’ Umar investigated the matter, then sent to the Jews, saying: ‘Allah has given permission for you to be expelled; for I have received word that the Prophet said that two religions cannot coexist in Arabia.”

Qur’an 5:82 “You will find the Jews and disbelievers [defined as Christians in 5:73] the most vehement in hatred for the Muslims.”

Well I could go on and on and on, but I cannnot say it more forcefully, the West and especially the US is hated by Islam because and only because of our support of Israel.

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

what were the cartoon riots about?

The cartoon riots were not a seminal event of anything.  It didn’t start anything, it didn’t end anything, and it didn’t explain anything.  If you want to be that simple that is fine, you are simple.

The cartoon riots were not a seminal event of anything.  It didn’t start anything, it didn’t end anything, and it didn’t explain anything.

They certainly explained why they were rioting. They believe that we shouldn’t have the freedom of speech to even depict their “prophet”. They couldn’t have been more clear on this point.

If you want to be that simple that is fine, you are simple.

Well that’s an immature insult. However, it doesn’t go unnoticed that you missed such a simple thing. I wonder what that says about you.

Explain to me how Germany and Japan are analogous to Iraq and Iran.

I’m not sure I can use words small enough for you to comprehend. Is English your first language? If you cannot understand what I wrote three hours ago, I doubt you’ve matured enough to understand anything I could write now!
In the mean time, you might try The Complete Idiot’s Guide to Jihad or Terrorism for Dummies and come back when you have a clue…

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For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Neiman - we heard you. We just don’t agree with you. Islam has been at war with everybody who isn’t Islamic since the birth of the religion. Israel is just today’s easy excuse. One that is bought up by people like you.

likwidshoe: You have a right to disagree; but I provided exact quotations, I can provide historical data about the hatred of Israel since Mohammed invented Islam, I have offered examples of how Islam and the World is focused and has been focused on Israel for 4-5 thousands of years, and yet all of that is easily dismissed and trumped your wholly subjective analysis that Israel “is just today’s excuse?”

I am tired and going off to bed and read for a while. But, I must say that I am stunned by the spirit of deception that has fallen upon this world, as touching many things, not the least of which is about Islam’s hatred of Israel over millenia. NO amount of quotations from Islam or historical data can overcome that spirit of deception. It is quite incredible to behold!

Oh, by the way I noticed the snide, condescending ‘people like you‘ remark. You seem constitutionally incapable of ever saying anything without expressing your belief in your superior intellect, knowledge and wisdom over that of the ignorant, unwashed peasants that post here and that refuse to agree with you.

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

likwidshoe: You have a right to disagree; but I provided exact quotations, I can provide historical data about the hatred of Israel since Mohammed invented Islam, I have offered examples of how Islam and the World is focused and has been focused on Israel for 4-5 thousands of years, and yet all of that is easily dismissed and trumped your wholly subjective analysis that Israel “is just today’s excuse?”

Neiman, spend some time talking to any number of Muslims and they’ll quickly bring up The Crusades as an example of why they need to war with us. So yes, support of Israel is just today’s simple and easy excuse. An excuse that you can add to the thousands of other excuses the Muslims use.

But, I must say that I am stunned by the spirit of deception that has fallen upon this world, as touching many things, not the least of which is about Islam’s hatred of Israel over millenia.

I don’t think that anybody here is denying that Islam hates Israel and the Jews. Or even that this is their number one hatred.

Oh, by the way I noticed the snide, condescending ‘people like you‘ remark. You seem constitutionally incapable of ever saying anything without expressing your belief in your superior intellect, knowledge and wisdom over that of the ignorant, unwashed peasants that post here and that refuse to agree with you.

“People like you” = people who believe that disagreement with them (even when you blatantly misstate the nature of the disagreement) is equal to some incapability of your opponent.

You don’t take disagreements very well Neiman. Please don’t become hate-filled like you did last time. Please don’t make a bunch of unsubstantiated slurs like you did last time. Please don’t project all of your mean and ill behavior like you did last time.

Le twit: If you’re still with us (and given your attention span, I doubt it!) consider the arguments in context. The thread begins by debunking another of the left’s excuses for the terrorists:

Terrorism is spawned by ignorance

by pointing out the high percentage of doctors in the latest terror attack.
You, Le twit, terrorist apologist wannabe, countered with yet another canard from the left:  “our support of dictators such as the Shah of Iran and Saddam Hussein” makes them hate us.
I pointed out that after WWII, there was not a corresponding, enduring hatred of those who supported dictators. You, pointed out that Iran & Iraq were not Germany and Japan. (Duh!) Aside from missing my point (or trying to sidestep it completely)
Aside from the fact that you claim some superior knowledge of history and logic: nowhere in the history of the world, on this planet, has there been a corresponding reaction to the support of a dictator (or as you like to parrot “our policies” towards those peoples). If your theory were true, then thirty years after the “policies” of Nazi Germany imposed a dictator on Poland, around 1969 we should have started to see the Polish suicide bombers beheading Germans and flying planes into civilian buildings in Berlin.
I was around in 1969 (were you?). I don’t remember seeing Polish or Estonian, or Latvian or even Vietnamese suicide bombers a generation removed from the “policies” they resented so.
Please tell me, Le twit, historian wannabee, terrorist apologist wannabee, where is the analogous response from any nation in history that matches those of the Islamic terrorists of today apart from the fever swamps of your mind?

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For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Excellent info, I liked it.

Let slip the docs of war

-Mark Steyn
(wish I’d said that!)

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For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Proof,

letwat is obviously un-aware of the origins of the word “Assassin” and the historical context behind it as well.

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Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

likwidshoe: I do not need nor will I ever accept any advice from you so stop wasting your time. You are a megalomaniacal (a psychiatric disorder in which the patient [you] experiences delusions of great power and importance) ass, you hate anyone that will not bow down to the altar you have constructed of yourself and want other people to use in adoring you and your leftist nonsense.

I have never said anything that would justify charges of hate, but you just make things up and keep repeating them until you believe it is the Truth. You are a pathological liar, no matter how many times I repeat a certain position, you repeatedly lie about my position until you believe it is the Truth. So, I would suggest you clean up your own wicked household before you deign to give unsolicited advice to others.

The very fact that you would deny that Israel is the core (Not sole) cause of Islam’s hatred of the West demonstrates an incredible degree of ignorance on your part about Islam. You just offer wholly subjective opinions which cannot be substantiated by the facts. By the way your talking to your many intimate Muslim friends would be called anecdotal evidence signifying absolutely nothing whatsoever as Muslims are taught to deceive all non-believers.

You should read Noam Chomsky’s book, “Fateful Triangle: The United States, Israel and the Palestinians,” or “Judgment Day,” by Dave Hunt and get yourself an education and end your gross ignorance on this subject.

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Wow. Talk about mirrors.

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Neiman - likwidshoe: I do not need nor will I ever accept any advice from you so stop wasting your time.

Wow. Okay. What’s this advice I’m supposedly trying to give you?

You are a megalomaniacal (a psychiatric disorder in which the patient [you] experiences delusions of great power and importance) ass...

Geeze. You don’t take disagreements very well. It wasn’t even a big disagreement this time around, and yet here you are again insulting me in this manner.

...you hate anyone...

You’re projecting Neiman. I don’t hate. It’s a waste of energy. I don’t even hate my sworn enemies.

...that will not bow down to the altar you have constructed of yourself and want other people to use in adoring you and your leftist nonsense.

I’m a “leftist” now? HAHA! That’s the first time I’ve ever been labeled that!

I have never said anything that would justify charges of hate, but you just make things up and keep repeating them until you believe it is the Truth.

What the hell are you going on about here? Seriously, I don’t even know.

You are a pathological liar, no matter how many times I repeat a certain position, you repeatedly lie about my position until you believe it is the Truth.

Again, what the fuck are you talking about? Back up your charges for a change.

So, I would suggest you clean up your own wicked household before you deign to give unsolicited advice to others.

What advice? Are you even reading what’s being written? I wonder.

The very fact that you would deny that Israel is the core (Not sole) cause of Islam’s hatred of the West demonstrates an incredible degree of ignorance on your part about Islam.

Oh. Okay. I wonder why they hated the Western world before Israel. Care to answer? What were those expansionist wars that the Crusades fought back against? What were they about? It wasn’t Israel. It was pure hatred of all “infidels” and a desire to spread their sick religion by force.

You just offer wholly subjective opinions which cannot be substantiated by the facts.

What facts? Your suppositions?

By the way your talking to your many intimate Muslim friends...

I don’t have any intimate Muslim friends. Are you crazy?

...would be called anecdotal evidence signifying absolutely nothing whatsoever as Muslims are taught to deceive all non-believers.

No! Ya think? They deceive? They’ll tell you one thing and mean another!? No kidding!

You should read Noam Chomsky’s book, “Fateful Triangle: The United States, Israel and the Palestinians,” or “Judgment Day,” by Dave Hunt and get yourself an education and end your gross ignorance on this subject.

Wait,..you said something about my supposed “leftist nonsense” (thanks for the laugh on that one) and now you want me to read Noam Chomsky!? Hahaha! You’re too much Neiman.

You’re talking all nonsense you crazy old coot! But thanks for the laughs. I’ll have to pass on that one about the “leftist nonsense”! Good stuff funny man, good stuff.

likwidshoe: Go back and read your last post carefully, I know it hurts to face the truth about ourselves; but you have a very unstable mind, you seriously need psychiatric assistance. Those are the nonsensical ravings of a lunatic mind.

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You are a pathological liar, no matter how many times I repeat a certain position, you repeatedly lie about my position until you believe it is the Truth.

On a previous thread, despite my repeated assertions to the contrary you kept accusing me of wanting big government, a nanny state. That was a lie, you knew it was a lie, you kept repeating in every post and you lied so often it became the truth to you.

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Please don’t become hate-filled like you did last time. Please don’t make a bunch of unsubstantiated slurs like you did last time. Please don’t project all of your mean and ill behavior like you did last time

. This was advice from you and a damnable lie, what is worse you know it was advice and a lie and then in your fragile mental state you have denied both lying or giving advice.

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Spend some time talking to any number of Muslims and they’ll quickly bring up The Crusades as an example of why they need to war with us.

This implies you actually have spoken to a number of Muslims, meaning you have some extended contacts and I noted the folly of doing so, and of course you didn’t like me calling you out on that little fact.

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You just offer wholly subjective opinions which cannot be substantiated by the facts. What facts? Your suppositions?

I offered exact quotations from the Qur’an and other Islamic documents, and I referred you to authors that use facts to support my opinions, I chose Chomsky quite deliberately, and all you offer is your subjective opinions. I give facts to support my beliefs, you ignore them and just offer your half-assed opinions.

I won’t weary myself by going on, but when I debate an issue I base my statements on provable facts and lengthy study. I take each of your statements and respond to them directly and I understand why you hate that approach, as obfuscation is your specialty. However, I will continue to assert those beliefs with confidence until proven wrong. You on the other hand are absent any facts about anything whatsoever, and of course you will continue employing snide, demeaning comments (You’re talking all nonsense you crazy old coot!) which are the tactics of a fat, stupid schoolyard bully.

I always go after bullies, I have done that all my life, as I hate their picking on weak people just to make themselves feel superior and self-important. While I hate no one, I hate what bullies do to other human beings and in my opinion, you are a classic bully!

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Lik, my favorite is how he always falls back on the tried and true Stalinist tactic, anyone who does not agree with him is mentally ill. Too funny.

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2Hotel9: You are a craven coward, you speak to somone else about me in a derogatory manner, not having the intellect or communication skills to go after someone directly.

It is intellectually dishonest to call someone a Stalinist just because they say someone appears to have serious emotional problems, otherwise to avoid that charge you must condemn the entire psychiatric profession.

Well you can engage in internet sex, performing copulation on Lik if you want, but maybe someday you will learn to act like a man and face people directly. Now, pull your skirt down and go bake some cookies!

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman - likwidshoe: Go back and read your last post carefully, I know it hurts to face the truth about ourselves; but you have a very unstable mind, you seriously need psychiatric assistance. Those are the nonsensical ravings of a lunatic mind.

I’m not sure how you ascertained such a thing over the Internet, but thanks for your diagnosis Mr. Internet Doctor!

On a previous thread, despite my repeated assertions to the contrary you kept accusing me of wanting big government, a nanny state. That was a lie, you knew it was a lie, you kept repeating in every post and you lied so often it became the truth to you.

You want the drug laws to remain intact. You can tell yourself that this isn’t a nanny-state all you like, but the reality is quite different than what you are telling yourself. No lie.

This was advice from you and a damnable lie...

That wasn’t advice. Those were requests. I even added please to the requests. No advice. No “damnable lies”.

This implies you actually have spoken to a number of Muslims...

And I have! On the Internet and around the slums of Detroit (where the biggest Muslim community in America is right next door in the city of Dearborn).

...meaning you have some extended contacts and I noted the folly of doing so, and of course you didn’t like me calling you out on that little fact.

What “little fact”? You had said that I had “intimate Muslim friends”. Where are these supposed Muslim “friends” of mine? Here’s the real fact Neiman: I’ve merely talked to many Muslims. NONE of them are my friends, much less my intimate friends. The reason is that I simply don’t trust the two-faced bastards. Muslims are NOT my friends.

Now that you know the truth, maybe you can refrain from inserting any more of your made up “little facts”.

I offered exact quotations from the Qur’an and other Islamic documents, and I referred you to authors that use facts to support my opinions...

Stop the presses! Islam hates the Jews and Israel!

No kidding Neiman. My position is that Israel is just the excuse de jour given today by many Muslims with a terrorist bent. When you dig a little deeper, you find that it’s just one of many excuses. Just think about it: what was the excuse before the creation of 1948 Israel? Islam has been at war with the West for far longer than 59 years.

...I chose Chomsky quite deliberately, and all you offer is your subjective opinions.

Why did you chose Chomsky? Just curious. He’s most often brought up by the wackiest of the left.

I give facts to support my beliefs, you ignore them and just offer your half-assed opinions.

The facts you gave are irrelevant for the reasons stated above. Are the Muslims consumed by a hatred of all things Jewish? Absolutely. But that doesn’t necessarily carry on over to why they hate us. As stated above, the current day conflicts are just an extension of a war that has been going on for close to 1300 years now.

I won’t weary myself by going on, but when I debate an issue I base my statements on provable facts and lengthy study. I take each of your statements and respond to them directly and I understand why you hate that approach, as obfuscation is your specialty.

*sigh*...why, oh why, do you insist on carrying on this way?

However, I will continue to assert those beliefs with confidence until proven wrong.

Just how could you be “proven wrong” on this particular issue? Do you even talk to any Muslims Mr. Neiman? Do you pay even the smallest attention to what they say whenever we get an angry Muslim here at this blog?

You on the other hand are absent any facts about anything whatsoever, and of course you will continue employing snide, demeaning comments (You’re talking all nonsense you crazy old coot!) which are the tactics of a fat, stupid schoolyard bully.

I’ll keep in mind that this is coming from the person who continually tells me that I am in need of some kind of “psychiatric assistance”.

I always go after bullies, I have done that all my life, as I hate their picking on weak people just to make themselves feel superior and self-important. While I hate no one, I hate what bullies do to other human beings and in my opinion, you are a classic bully!

Egh. Whatever.

Just focus on the subject instead of making all of these insults and maybe we can have an adult conversation. You game?

My word, chaps, isn’t this a heated thread?
I’m wondering how Islam has hated the Jews for millennia. As far as I can tell, from what I studied of the Qu’ran, it is an intolerance of any non-Muslims that prevails within Islam, not just the Jews.
Of course many Arabs hate the Jews. The Jews claim that they are all descended from Abraham’s bastard son.

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Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.

The Jews claim that they are all descended from Abraham’s bastard son.

Kuffars! My God is the one real God!

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Which one would that be?

The Flying Spaghetti Monster?

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Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.

See, Lik, you are correct. It gets all pissy when anyone has an opinion or thought that is not in lockstep with its paleolithic ideology.

Nman, we already had this conversation 5 times. You lost 5 times. You are the poster child for why people are turning their backs on organized religion. Rein in your self-righteous self-importance. I am fairly certain Jesus had somewhat to say about that, and he will explain it to you directly when you meet him.

Flamer, you are correct. Israel had not existed for a considerable number of decades prior to Islam arriving on the scene. And yes, Muslims and Jews are the same stock, hence the level of animosity between them. First born V last born.

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spark, and they will kill their own children and women to prove it!

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Nman, think you should lighten up.  Insulting the regular commentors here will not get you any points.

As far as Islam hate is concerned, how would that be a factor in the Arab invasions in Europe whereby they tried unsuccessfully, thankfully, to occupy and control the entire continent.  Deceit is a major tool used by muslims to attain their goal of world domination so one should not take as gospel everything they say.  To them, there are only muslims and non-muslims (infidels) who are considered to be beneath them in every way.

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You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

Docdave: Ah, I didn’t know you made the rules for posting and debating on this blog, thank you for the clarification. I also didn’t know that regular commentators posting at Say Anything were owed special deference (submission to the judgment, opinion, or wishes of another person) and while they and you can say insulting, rude things to anyone, non-regular commentators are disallowed. You are judging and defining what is and what is not an insult, so perhaps you could include on the Home Page your definition of terms and your rules for posting here. I appreciate your making all the rules clear and now I know you are in charge at Say Anything Blog.

Of course I won’t respond to your biased opinions about Islam above, as I am unsure if my answers will violate your rules and upset a regular, righteous, unassailable commentator such as yourself.

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Again, self-righteous and self-important. You will do well as a dhimmi, you already think like a Wahabi Deathculter.

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2Hotel9: I have lost absolutely nothing to you. You are unable to engage in rational, intelligent conversation and you have proven yourself inferior in all your posts.

Sparkie: We discussed this before, Isaac was not a bastard, he was the legitimate heir, the offspring of Sarah. The Jews trace their lineage through Isaac. Ishmael was Abraham’s son through Hagar and he was not a bastard either, as the custom of that time made any offspring of a man to be his legitimate children. The Arabs claim descent from Ishmael. God declared Isaac as the spiritual heir of Abraham and thus the enmity exists between the descendents of these two men which continues to this day.

ManofFireandLight: I actually mispoke in the heat of battle. Islam only came into being in 610 AD, so I should have said they have hated Israel and the Jews for many centuries. I apologize for that confusion.

When Mohammed first created Islam he was very open to the Jews (The Children of the Book) and Christians (He saw Jesus as a Prophet of Allah); but when the Jews would not accept Mohammed as the Prophet of God, their God, Mohammed hated the Jews. Thus, we find in the Qur’an, the Haditha and other Islamic writings a hatred for Israel and the Jews that has been at the heart of Islam ever since. An example is Qur’an 4:47 “O you People of the Book (Jews) to whom the Scripture has been given, believe in what We have (now) revealed (Islam and Allah), confirming and verifying what was possessed by you, before We destroy your faces beyond all recognition, turning you on your backs, and curse you as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers, for the decision of Allah Must be executed.”

That hatred of Jews continues until this date, wherein the recognition by the world of the State of Israel and pushing the Jordanians living there out of Israel, has only increased their hatred of the Jews and increased their determination at all costs to destroy Israel. As I made clear from my very early posts, yes they hate the West because they do not submit to Allah and they hate their way of life which they find to be evil, yes they have conquered many lands over time in their quest to use violence, torture and death to force people to convert to Islam. All these things are quite true.

However, from the first Mohammed hated the Jews for not accepting him as the Prophet of God; and they see the God professed by both Christians and Jews as being a false god, a threat to Allah and therefore there has been almost from day one of Islam a war between the God of the Bible and the god of Islam, instigated by the disciples of Islam for control of the world. For Christians such control will only happen when Christ returns, for Islam they must prepare the way for their Savior the Mahdi through violent takeover of the world. Strangely, both the soon return of Christ and the soon return of the Mahdi are preached by both faiths. The point is, this is seen by the people of both faiths as a spiritual war and Israel and the Jews are the prize, for Islam it is the death of the Jews, for Christians it is the establishment of God’s Kingdom on earth and the restoration of Israel.

That is why I have so strongly asserted that while there are many motivations for Islamic terror and hate, the core reason is Israel and all that befriend Israel. Thus, I can produce many statements by leading Islamic clerics of hate for America and the West because they see us and the West as against the so-called Islamic Palestinian (Jordanian) people, and therefore we are enemies of Islam. Even the Qur’an speaks of killing those that befriend Israel.

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

2Hotel9: You have nothing of any value to contribute to any intelligent conversation. You are wasting a great deal of time and effort to show yourself a fool!

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No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Its a good thing you are here with no intelligent conversation then. Right?

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