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For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Actually, a number of denominations discourage gift-giving or celebrations at Christmas and birthdays.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

I would guess that kind of celebrating is viewed as being “white”.

If life doesn’t begin at conception, why do they call it birth control?

Actually, a number of denominations discourage gift-giving or celebrations at Christmas and birthdays.

First time I heard of that, pp.  Which ones?

Christmas or the birth of Christ is one of the most celebrated days in Christianity.  Easter or the resurrction of Christ is the other one.  Can’t see how one can call themselves Christian and not celebrate those days.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

Amish, Mennonites, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovas Witnesses, Church of Christ, to name a few.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

Amish, Mennonites, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovas Witnesses, Church of Christ, to name a few.

Plus Disciples of Jeremiah “God Damn America” Wright?

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Actually, a number of denominations discourage gift-giving or celebrations at Christmas and birthdays.

Yeah, yeah, whatever… you get my point and I know it

Sorry, Anna.  Yes, I get your point.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

Wow,

Anna is showing her bigotry in full color today.

OBAMA MIGHT BE A MUSLIM AKA TERRORIST, DON’T VOTE FOR HIM.

By the way, gift giving is not some noble cause.  Giving gifts does not help in the celebration of Christmas, it actually discourages the understanding of the real meaning. 

Psst… the gift giving is based on Pagan rituals.

Anna is showing her bigotry in full color today.

In attempting to show her supposed bigotry, you only showed yours.

Opinions that Lestat doesn’t agree with = “bigotry”.

I think there is a lot that we don’t yet know about this man. It will be frightening when we do learn, I’m afraid!

In attempting to show her supposed bigotry, you only showed yours.

Opinions that Lestat doesn’t agree with = “bigotry”.

Anna is trying to scare people away from Obama by claiming he might be Muslim, not on any substantive issues.  That is pure bigotry.

At first, I was shocked that they wouldn’t give presents to their children as Anna as stated. Although, upon further investigation of the article, Anna’s obfuscation or mistake becomes apparent.

PEOPLE: Someone told me today that you don’t do birthday presents.
Michelle: No, because we spend hundreds of dollars on a birthday party and movie tickets and pizza and popcorn ...
Barack: That sleepover is enough. We want to teach some limits to them. And their friends bring over presents.
Michelle: They get so much stuff that it just becomes numbing. Malia believes there is still a Santa Claus even though she’s a little wary because some of her friends are non-believers. But Malia says, “Ma, I know there is a Santa because there’s no way you’d buy me all that stuff.” [Laughing] /quote]

Now, lets break this down. “Malia believes there is still a Santa Claus” which means that they do celebrate Christmas. Anna, your assertion that they don’t celebrate christmas is wrong.

The following statement from Malia, presupposes that she does get gifts, yet they come from Santa Claus. When we all know that ‘Santa Claus’ is actually gifts from Barack and Michelle.

Anna, next time suspend your reactivity and do some research and simple linguistic analysis.

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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.” ~Theodore Roosevelt

Anna is trying to scare people away from Obama

LOL..  Obama doesn’t need my help, he does a fine job of it himself.

Than what is the point of your post, other than to point out that Obama might be Muslim.

Than what is the point of your post, other than to point out that Obama might be Muslim.

Actually, it shows that he is not like most Americans; the “Muslim” part comes from your mind.

If life doesn’t begin at conception, why do they call it birth control?

He WAS educated in a moslim atmosphere and he is more arab than black.
He frequently refers to “tribes” & “bloodlines” in many of his speeches.
/THe tribal lifestyle & family bloodlines are what differentiate the classes in the moslim world.
Not so much in the American system

Actually, it shows that he is not like most Americans; the “Muslim” part comes from your mind.

Actually it comes from Anna’s bigoted statement.

Muslims don’t celebrate Christmas or birthdays either?

Anna isn’t bigoted because just because she tries to falsely point out that Obama is Muslim.  She is bigoted because she thinks it makes a difference in our system, just like you are bigoted.

Funny… but I don’t recall any of our more “progressive” types being anywhere near as concerned about the sort of religious bigotry accusations being discussed here when Romney’s Mormon faith was being questioned.

It appears that concerns about bigotry aren’t nearly as universal as some on the Left would have us believe.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Lestat - Anna isn’t bigoted because just because she tries to falsely point out that Obama is Muslim.  She is bigoted because she thinks it makes a difference in our system...

It makes a difference to plenty of voters.

But let me guess - you disagree. And opinions that Lestat doesn’t agree with = “bigotry”.

Lestat,

Read the post.  She wrote Marxist socialists and Muslims.  You ran with muslim. 

Bigot?  How cliche.  Do you even know what it means, or are you just spitting words?

Muslims don’t celebrate Christmas or birthdays either?

A factual statement.  You made up the rest, Lestat.

If life doesn’t begin at conception, why do they call it birth control?

Anna: The squealing of the lefties on this thread is a sign that you hit the target dead center.  Another inconvenient truth for them.

If life doesn’t begin at conception, why do they call it birth control?

By the way, gift giving is not some noble cause.  Giving gifts does not help in the celebration of Christmas, it actually discourages the understanding of the real meaning. 

Someone hasn’t read the bible! What was the first thing the wize men did upon reaching the manger? They gave the babe gifts. Considering giving gifts was part of the celebrating of Christ’s birth...how is it unChristian? How does it discourage the meaning?
Christians started celebrating Christmas as a group by the early 300s. All the pagan customs were added later.

When we look at the “socialist paradise” that is Cuba, we must remember that a sizable share of the misery those people suffer is directly attributable to Che Guevara bringing Castro into power, and giving him many of the policies that have caused so much pain. The real symbol of Che should be the raft, to remind us of all those who have died on rafts in the ocean trying to escape the Cuban nightmare and get to freedom. And had he not been killed, begging for his life like a coward, he would’ve done the same thing again and again in countries all throughout Latin and South America. His actions have inspired terrorists across a continent and caused countless deaths.

Kenny, what are the names of the people morphed into your avatar?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Lestupid: I don’t think you are a bigot. I think you are a smallot.

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

realitybasedbob asked for the umpteenth time, Kenny, what are the names of the people morphed into your avatar?

Just wondering, but how many times are you going to ask this?

It’s spammy.

Until little kenny answers.

Odd that he wont answer me, no?

What is kenny’s problem.
Maybe he doesn’t know.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Gee Anna, nothing like taking what he said out of context.  He said they don’t give gifts to the kids, not that they don’t celebrate Christmas or birthdays. They just don’t give gifts.

Get it now, Anna.  Is this really the best you got, really anna.

Just wondering, but how many times are you going to ask this?

Until a second thought pops into his head! (This could take a while!)

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

rbb:  on another post, Kenny describes the blend of Che and Adolf.  Is there something else you see?

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

"realitybased"bob misses reality, Until little kenny answers.

Odd that he wont answer me, no?

“little kenny” answered your question days ago.

Odd that you missed it considering that you had asked in that very thread.

You should probably stop this little charade now. The “until” part has been satisfied. You got your answer.

He said they don’t give gifts to the kids, not that they don’t celebrate Christmas or birthdays. They just don’t give gifts.

Isn’t gift giving essential to celebrating birthdays and Christmas?

Isn’t gift giving essential to celebrating birthdays and Christmas?

Ok, I’ll explain this for a second time. Barack and Michelle DO give gifts, yet they put the name ‘Santa Claus’ on the gifts.

Malia says, “Ma, I know there is a Santa because there’s no way you’d buy me all that stuff.”

This clearly states that they celebrate Christmas AND they give gifts through Santa Claus.

“To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.” ~Theodore Roosevelt

This clearly states that they celebrate Christmas AND they give gifts through Santa Claus.

Not exactly Christian, is it?  How about special Church services, caroling, and all the rest?  Very revealing.

If life doesn’t begin at conception, why do they call it birth control?

Until little kenny answers.
Odd that he wont answer me, no?
What is kenny’s problem.
Maybe he doesn’t know.

I thank likwidshoe for pointing out that I answered you days ago. He didn’t need to do it.

That said, the very first line of my signature is:
“The equivalence of Che Guevara and Adolph Hitler is a valid one.”

My signature answers your question. Everytime I post. And considering that I stood up for my picture long before you began this Charade, it’s not like I never answered your utterly moronic question. I debated both you and H on how Che is morally equivalent to Hitler and Bush is not.

When we look at the “socialist paradise” that is Cuba, we must remember that a sizable share of the misery those people suffer is directly attributable to Che Guevara bringing Castro into power, and giving him many of the policies that have caused so much pain. The real symbol of Che should be the raft, to remind us of all those who have died on rafts in the ocean trying to escape the Cuban nightmare and get to freedom. And had he not been killed, begging for his life like a coward, he would’ve done the same thing again and again in countries all throughout Latin and South America. His actions have inspired terrorists across a continent and caused countless deaths.

My opinions if anyone should care to read:

After reading the article, it’s definitely clear that the post was over-reactionary and misleading. The Obama’s celebrate Christmas and give Christmas gifts to their children. They don’t give gifts for birthdays, so what? They still probably throw better birthday parties than I (and most likely everyone on this thread) ever had when I was a kid. Plus their friends bring them gifts. Likely these friends are numerous and have wealthy parents. It stands to reason that the Obama daughters receive more gifts (and more expensive) than most American children. Plus I’m sure the girls have everything they could possibly need or want, and then some. There are plenty of reasons to criticize Obama, but this isn’t one of them.

Also, what’s with everyone trying to imply that Obama might be a Muslim?

Isn’t gift giving essential to celebrating birthdays and Christmas?

No. This year my wife cooked me dinner for my birthday and we saw a movie. No gifts involved (unless you count dinner and a movie as gifts, but the Obama’s do that and more for their daughters’ birthdays), but I didn’t feel that I was cheated a birthday celebration.

Not exactly Christian, is it?  How about special Church services, caroling, and all the rest?  Very revealing.

Actually it isn’t revealing at all. Special Church services, caroling, etc. were not mentioned at all in the article or post. For all you know, they may do all those things.

RBB: Alright enough. If you have a point to make, then make it. Kenny has answered you on numerous occasions. It’d be one thing if it was funny, but now it’s just kind of annoying.

Actually it isn’t revealing at all. Special Church services, caroling, etc. were not mentioned at all in the article or post. For all you know,
they may do all those things.

Bullshit!  Here’s the truth:

This clearly states that they celebrate Christmas AND they give gifts through Santa Claus.

Santa Claus is not Jesus Christ, for those who don’t know the difference.

If life doesn’t begin at conception, why do they call it birth control?

Ken:  Great post!  Actually, gift-giving at Christmas is no more related to the holiday than is Santa Claus - I know of no denomination that instructs it’s followers to buy and give gifts - but both are inevitably much-hyped by manufacturers and malls.

The special services and carolling mentioned by 108 are far more meaningful and, as you rightly point out, there is no mention that those holiday activities are not practiced by the Obamas.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

...there is no mention that those holiday
activities are not practiced by the Obamas.

Assuming facts not in evidence...there is no mention that they are practiced.
As has been mentioned before on this thread, the Magi brought gifts to the Christ child, so yes, gift-giving is an integral part of celebrating His birth.

If life doesn’t begin at conception, why do they call it birth control?

Bullshit! 

How do you know they don’t also celebrate Christmas through caroling, Church services, etc.?

This clearly states that they celebrate Christmas AND they give gifts through Santa Claus.

Santa Claus is not Jesus Christ, for those who don’t know the difference.

Well they give gifts through Santa Claus so they must not be real Christians! Very revealing! /sarcasm

So what? Are you saying its wrong for people to put “From Santa” rather than “From Jesus Christ”? I guess my parents were never real Christians then. Sure they taught Sunday school and Bible study and attended Church weekly. But they wrote “From Santa”, damning their souls to Hell for all eternity.

You know what the problem (well one of many) with you is r108? You have a strong opinion on everything, no matter how insignificant, and feel the need to voice it. Sometimes it’s better not to care. The Obamas’ Christmas and birthday traditions really don’t matter at all and shouldn’t concern any of us. Its insignificant. Why you feel the need to get up on your perch of self-righteousness and criticize every minutiae is beyond me.

Assuming facts not in evidence...there is no mention that they are practiced.

So? The question posed toward the Obamas was related to birthday presents. No one ever asked the Obamas how they celebrated Christmas. There is no evidence from that article that the Obamas do or do not celebrate Christmas in the r108-approved manner.

108:  I think you will be hard-pressed to find any Christian denomination which teaches that gift-giving should or must be done, or is an intregal part of celebrating the birth of Christ.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

Well they give gifts through Santa Claus so they must not be real Christians!

Your conclusion, not mine.  Please don’t try to attribute your conclusions to me!  It casts doubt on his Christianity, as does the entire black liberation theology.  He had a Muslim childhood, and so it is very appropriate that he be closely examined as to his fitness to lead this Christian nation, especially when our most virulent enemy is a faction of Islam.  I’m sorry I have to tell you this.

pp: Reread the story of the birth of Christ.  It’s all there.

If life doesn’t begin at conception, why do they call it birth control?

AKA “The Christmas Story”.

If life doesn’t begin at conception, why do they call it birth control?

robert108: Not exactly Christian, is it?  How about special Church services, caroling, and all the rest?  Very revealing./quote]

Very revealing of your contorted logic that if something isn’t mentioned you automatically assume that it’s false or doesn’t happen.

”Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.“ -Bible

Time for your next confession.

robert108: Santa Claus is not Jesus Christ, for those who don’t know the difference.

What the hell are you talking about?

robert108: Assuming facts not in evidence...there is no mention that they are practiced.

There is no mention that they are practiced and no mention that they ARE NOT. You baffle me with your hard-headed certainty without a persistent strive for factual knowledge.

“When men are the most sure and arrogant, they commonly are the most mistaken.“ ~David Hume

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“To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.” ~Theodore Roosevelt

108:  Nice dodge, 108.  Find a denomination that teaches gift-giving at Christmas.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

...you automatically assume that it’s false or doesn’t happen.

False.  I ‘splained it already, but I guess you missed it.  What I actually said is that it casts doubt about their Christianity. You just can’t stick with the truth, can you?

“No mention” leaves the matter open for speculation.  Since the black liberation theology preaches a “black Jesus”, and since Obama had a Muslim childhood, and since his wife preaches the black liberation theology doctrine of telling black people to “stay out of the middle class”, there is plenty of reason to doubt that they are unfit to lead this great Christian nation.
Too bad you choose to ignore those facts.

If life doesn’t begin at conception, why do they call it birth control?

I think you will be hard-pressed to find any Christian denomination which teaches that gift-giving should or must be done…

Again with your mischaracterizations of what I actually said!  I never said it was mandatory, only that, like the Magi, giving gifts honors Jesus; it’s done out of love, not out of coercion.  You must be totally unaware of the “Christmas Spirit”, I guess.

If life doesn’t begin at conception, why do they call it birth control?

Again with your mischaracterizations of what I actually said!  I never said it was mandatory, only that, like the Magi, giving gifts honors Jesus; it’s done out of love, not out of coercion.  You must be totally unaware of the “Christmas Spirit”, I guess.

While there is biblical standing for gift giving, let’s not forget that Christ’s Mass is to celebrate CHRIST’S birthday. I don’t know about you Robert, but if I’m celebrating a specific person’s birthday...I don’t buy presents for everyone.

When we look at the “socialist paradise” that is Cuba, we must remember that a sizable share of the misery those people suffer is directly attributable to Che Guevara bringing Castro into power, and giving him many of the policies that have caused so much pain. The real symbol of Che should be the raft, to remind us of all those who have died on rafts in the ocean trying to escape the Cuban nightmare and get to freedom. And had he not been killed, begging for his life like a coward, he would’ve done the same thing again and again in countries all throughout Latin and South America. His actions have inspired terrorists across a continent and caused countless deaths.

Hush Robert, everyone is laughing at you now.

“To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.” ~Theodore Roosevelt

The Catholic and Orthodox churches do not teach gift giving.
For your reference though it is custom with Orthodox Christians to give gifts to newborn children. The post by Anna is bullshit. Gift giving during Christmas is largely an American tradition and as practiced has lost all its spirituality.
And as for Robert108’s bullshit, answer truthfully: Do your children go door to door carolling? Do you see other peoples children go door to doo carolling?
Kenny mentions the magi and their gifts as a reason Christians give gifts during Christmas.
Well kenny the Magi gave gifts to Jesus only once.
Did not visit Him next year on His birthday with more gifts.
As far as Santa Claus and Christmas,in the USA they have become one and the same. Almost all children when asked say Santa gave them gifts.
Anyone that dissagrees with me on this is a hypocrite ala Robert108. Furthermore those that dissagree with me and claim not to be hypocrites may the fleas of a thousand camels infest thei crotches.

The Catholic and Orthodox churches do not teach gift giving.
For your reference though it is custom with Orthodox Christians to give gifts to newborn children. The post by Anna is bullshit. Gift giving during Christmas is largely an American tradition and as practiced has lost all its spirituality.
And as for Robert108’s bullshit, answer truthfully: Do your children go door to door carolling? Do you see other peoples children go door to doo carolling?
Kenny mentions the magi and their gifts as a reason Christians give gifts during Christmas.
Well kenny the Magi gave gifts to Jesus only once.
Did not visit Him next year on His birthday with more gifts.
As far as Santa Claus and Christmas,in the USA they have become one and the same. Almost all children when asked say Santa gave them gifts.
Anyone that dissagrees with me on this is a hypocrite ala Robert108. Furthermore those that dissagree with me and claim not to be hypocrites may the fleas of a thousand camels infest their crotches.

Hush Robert, everyone is laughing at you now.

Not really a counter-argument, is it?

Kenny: I’m sorry you don’t know this, but the gift-giving at Christmastime is simply following Christ’s exhortation to us:  “Love one another, as I have loved you.” I’m sorry you don’t know about the joy of giving.  It’s good any time of year, of course, but it’s especially significant at Christmas.
There is a reason for this tradition, even if you are unaware of it.

If life doesn’t begin at conception, why do they call it birth control?

nunez: How typical of a leftie to want to suppress dissent.  Your kind can’t abide a diversity of opinion, much less the truth about Christianity.  I pity you.

If life doesn’t begin at conception, why do they call it birth control?

Geez folks, you guys will argue about the the oddest things.  Why not search for the Origin and History of Christmas and let the competing authorities duke it out?  Sounds like the gift-giving was a reference to the Magi bringing gifts to the Christ Child and then Saint Nic brought gift-giving to a whole new level. 

So what we have today is an admixture of Christian beliefs and Nordic pagan beliefs (timing of the Solstice, tree worship and use of Mistletoe, Yule and fir boughs) with the Poinsettia, introduced to U.S. from all places—Mexico!  Then add years of corporate push advertising to supplant the Christian origins with essentially a purely commercialized shopping holiday (Happy Holidays seems to have replaced Merry Christmas)

As for electing a man who seems to have a general hatred and distaste for White America and listened intently for 20 years to a minister who rails God DAMN Amer-i-cuh is a real cause for concern.

The fact that he seems to have a Muslim background which he only half acknowledges whilst our most dangerous enemies are radical Muslim, places his judgment and loyalty in question.  Those are fair game considering he will be entrusted with the decisions in defending—or NOT defending—America, as the case may be.

That is a legitimate line of inquiry, as much as the Hate-America Left may hiss or spit. 

As for what the Obama’s celebrate while the rest of America is opening Christmas presents, to include their very first Red Rider BB Gun, my guess is that it may involve facing Mecca, an Aluminium Pole, Feats of Strength and the Airing of Grievances.

...for great justice

Kenny: I’m sorry you don’t know this, but the gift-giving at Christmastime is simply following Christ’s exhortation to us:  “Love one another, as I have loved you.” I’m sorry you don’t know about the joy of giving.  It’s good any time of year, of course, but it’s especially significant at Christmas.
There is a reason for this tradition, even if you are unaware of it.
robert108 on July 25, 2008 at 04:05 pm

Are you just throwing bullshit at us?
No one here believes your “Love one another, as I have loved you”. You just spew venom left and right.

And as for Robert108’s bullshit, answer truthfully: Do your children go door to door carolling? Do you see other peoples children go door to doo
carolling?

You are the king of the bullshitters here, e!  My family always goes caroling at Christmas, and it is common in every neighborhood in which I have ever lived.

No one here believes your “Love one another, as I have loved you”. It’s not “mine”, it’s what Jesus said; your belief isn’t necessary.  Very revealing of your ignorance of Christianity, though. You just spew venom left and right.

So, to you, loving each other is “venom”?  You are one sick individual, e.

If life doesn’t begin at conception, why do they call it birth control?

108: Nice dodge, 108. Find a denomination that teaches gift-giving at Christmas.

Nice distraction, pp; it’s a result of “free people making free choices” to give gifts at Christmas.  You miss it completely, once again.
Didn’t know you were so anti-Christian.

If life doesn’t begin at conception, why do they call it birth control?

MZ: The incessant squealing of the lefties on this thread is eerily reminiscent of the Islamic squealing about cartoons.  From their point of view, anyone who questions Obama is an “infidel”, I guess.

If life doesn’t begin at conception, why do they call it birth control?

Robert, but if I’m celebrating a specific person’s birthday...I don’t buy presents for everyone

Thanks for making my point that Christmas gift-giving isn’t mandatory, but is actually a matter of free choice.  Your choice reveals your attitude toward Christmas, as the Obamas’ choice reveals theirs.  This is the point of this thread, I think.

If life doesn’t begin at conception, why do they call it birth control?

Not really a counter-argument, is it?

There is no reason to argue with you. You aren’t on this blog to argue facts, but to troll with your rants and extremism.

“To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.” ~Theodore Roosevelt

There is no reason to argue with you. Very convenient, since you have no argument, as usual. You aren’t on this blog to argue facts, but to troll with your rants and extremism. There you go again, projecting your behavior on others.  Educate yourself.

As usual, you have nothing but more foolish attempts at personal attack.  I pity you.

If life doesn’t begin at conception, why do they call it birth control?

...the Obamas do or do not celebrate Christmas
in the r108-approved manner.

More unnecessary bullshit from you, Ken; I’m talking about normal American Christmas practices, and you know it.  You just can’t shake that addiction to lying smear, can you?

If life doesn’t begin at conception, why do they call it birth control?

108:  If it’s a free choice whether to give gifts at Christmas and not a Christian doctrine, the Obamas - along with the many others who don’t - are free not to do it.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

R108,

Frankly I don’t know why they are squealing.  From what I gather Anna pointed out just how far this purported First Family will be from the America they hope to lead.  I think that is a valid issue, particularly when it is a not-so-hidden secret that Obama has a strong Muslim background, despite his election-time denials to the contrary.

Considering that we are at war with the very types he may have sympathies with, I think it’s a valid point of inquiry.

With regard to the gift-giving, father having been in the military and the family moving often, we went to a broad swath of churches, to include Methodist, Baptist and 7th Day Adventist, and each one has had Christmas services and Christmas-time sermons, vespers and even Christmas parties, complete with multi-colored cookies, punch, Christmas trees and—gasp!—exchange of presents!

It’s been some time since I’ve been to Church, but from my recollection, they didn’t preach that you should go out and by Little Tommy a MegaMan Action Figure for Christmas, they did speechify about the gifts of the Magi and the spirit of giving.  Primarily though, it was a celebration of the birth of Christ.

Why that has become a bone of contention is beyond me.

...for great justice

Thanks to pparets reasoned responses up top, I have nothing much else to add to this incredibly small minded post.

More unnecessary bullshit from you, Ken; I’m talking about normal American Christmas practices, and you know it.

And how do you know that the Obamas don’t engage in those “normal American Christmas practices”? They give Christmas gifts to their children. As for the other practices, it doesn’t mention whether they do or don’t. And frankly, I don’t really care how they choose to celebrate Christmas and neither should anyone else. Live and let live.

You just can’t shake that addiction to lying smear, can you?

You should know, pusher man.

And how do you know that the Obamas don’t engage in those “normal American Christmas practices”?

As I have already said several times, I don’t know that they do, either.  This article casts some doubt(I say again), and that, combined with what we already know about the Obamas’ beliefs(black liberation theology, featuring a belief in a “black Jesus”, along with his Muslim childhood(Christmas is special for children in the Christian culture), there is plenty of room for doubt.  If this man claims to be worthy of being the leader of this Christian nation, he needs to be put under the public microscope, just like any other candidate.  What part of that don’t you understand?

I don’t attack you, Ken; I call you on your attacks on me, especially the ones where you lie about me in an attempt to smear me, instead of offering any sort of valid argument.  You seem to favor that tactic.
Of course, you could clean up your act at any time.

If life doesn’t begin at conception, why do they call it birth control?

Why that has become a bone of contention is beyond me.

Lefties lie; it’s all they have.  If they told the truth about what they intend for America, no one would ever vote for them.

If life doesn’t begin at conception, why do they call it birth control?

If it’s a free choice whether to give gifts at Christmas and not a Christian doctrine, the Obamas - along with the many others who don’t -are free not to do it.

Of course they are, and we are all free to evaluate his fitness to be President of this Christian nation on the basis of how he respects(or doesn’t respect) our Christmas traditions.  Gotcha!

If life doesn’t begin at conception, why do they call it birth control?

Gotcha!
robert108 on July 25, 2008 at 08:56 pm

Wow! you can evaluate somebody’s fitness for office by the way people celebrate Christmas. Damn! What a man! What a mighty, mighty man you are.

Wow! you can evaluate somebody’s fitness for office by the way people celebrate Christmas.

It’s certainly one criterion.  Again, you demonstrate your arrogant ignorance.  Educate yourself.

If life doesn’t begin at conception, why do they call it birth control?

It’s actually about the ways they don’t celebrate Christmas, moron.  Sorry I had to repeat that for you, yet again.

If life doesn’t begin at conception, why do they call it birth control?

Wow! you can evaluate somebody’s fitness for office by the way people celebrate Christmas.

ellinas,

I don’t suppose you’d like to take a shot at explaining exactly why Obama is, in your view, fit for the office of President?  It certainly can’t be his policy positions.  Even the ones he hasn’t flip-flopped on have been egregiously wrong-headed.  And it certainly can’t be any executive or managerial experiences he’s had.  Nor is it his experience and judgment in economic and tax policy, nor military, national defense, or foreign affairs.  He has no experience in any of those areas.

So what exactly is it that qualifies the young Mr. Obama to be Commander-in-Chief in wartime, Chief Executive of the US federal government, the largest and most complex organization on earth, and leader of the free world when so many of his policy prescriptions would diminish freedom rather than extending it?

Hmmm?

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Gotcha!

Meaning what, Robert? “I win?” or “Take That!” or “I did it again” or “I am superior” or “It’s all about me!”

“Gotcha!” is such a self-revealing comment. And when coupled with your total disregard for civil discourse in the discussion of ideas, explains much about you.

Of course, it must be understood, from the outset, that you discuss nothing.  Your posts are all borrowed from other sources with a quip of your own added at the end.

Other than that, you lecture only, on any and all subjects, with the sure belief that you - and you alone - understand the issue at hand.

Your language is peppered with “You lie”, “Liar”, “Lies”, “Moron”, “bullshit”, “leftie”, and other insulting labels.

Thus you attack others here with the basest and meanest of language. Yet you take wounded umbrage at the slightest criticism of your statements. The number of times you have said “You attack me” is almost beyond counting.  You seem unable to differentiate between criticism of your words and you.

You denegrate others with “Let me explain again”, “sorry I had to repeat that”, “guess you didn’t understand the first time” and similar condescensions.  “Truth” and “fact” are words you apply only to yourself.

Not long ago, your signature included another self-revealing phrase; “In a debate, never give an inch.”
There were no qualifiers attached to that statement.
For you and your needs, it’s all about convincing yourself that you won! The “Gotcha!” mentality.

You spend your entire day and much of the night here. You have made more than 20,500 comments. Most of them rude and arrogant; many faulty or incorrect.
Other than two other bloggers who coddle your childish behavior here, you have gained few - if any - admirers. And for what?

So, it comes down to this. What exactly have you accomplished with all that effort, insult and bile? What real good have you achieved?  If you stopped blogging here tomorrow, would anyone care?

Your “Gotcha!” mindset is your Achilles heel.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

Meaning what, Robert? “I win?” or “Take That!” or “I did it again” or “I am superior” or “It’s all about me!”

None of the above; I simply turned your argument against you, which is what “gotcha” usually means.

You seem really desperate to attack me today, pp.
Yawn.

If life doesn’t begin at conception, why do they call it birth control?