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“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Acknowledging failures and correcting the cause is what leads to success.  The left are the one’s burning flags, protesting outside of military recruitments centers, sending money to terrorists, sympathizing with terrorists, heralding every stream of bad news they can find while ignoring the good in an effort to avoid anything remotely resembling a military victory, etc, etc.  The animosity on the left for the individualism that gave rise to America, and is everything American, has been on full display during the course of our efforts to defend that way of life. We are in a safer America today than we were before 9/11 thanks in large part due to the resilience of our President.

The left are the one’s burning flags, protesting outside of military recruitments centers, sending money to terrorists, sympathizing with terrorists, heralding every stream of bad news they can find while ignoring the good in an effort to avoid anything remotely resembling a military victory, etc, etc.

Liberuls hate Amerc’a, they hate the Mulitary, they likes to hug terrorists and smooch them, they also focus on all the negative (while we focus on positive thangs) cuz they hates the miltary uniform and all that.  They also love queers.

Why do you like to insult the blue states so much?  Why do you hate Americans?

Why is the President telling ABC News that there have been times when he believed the mission in Iraq was failing? Why should we believe that he knows more about conditions in Iraq than Fred Kagan and Michael Yon and likwidshoe?

Not that you’re really interested in an honest discussion of this, Mike, given your post but it could be that Bush is human and has self doubts much like any of us.

But hey, distort his comments in whatever way is most politically convenient for you.  History will prove that the war in Iraq was justified.  It was the right move.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Acknowledging failures and correcting the cause is what leads to success.

This is very true but when you acknowledge failures, you’re branded a terror enabler, or a dhimmi. or a leftard, or an America hater, or an appeaser, etc. etc. etc.

I don’t think America turned against Bush for his policies so much as the public began to recognise that his Administration talked a good game but displayed woeful incompetence in a variety of areas. Our leaders never credit the public with suufficient intelligence IMO.

"The national budget must be balanced. The public debt must be reduced; the arrogance of the authorities must be moderated and controlled. Payments to foreign governments must be reduced if the nation doesn’t want to go bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.”
Cicero, 55 BC

Rob...I’m honestly wondering why Bush would be honest about it now. I don’t see what he gains from it.

"The national budget must be balanced. The public debt must be reduced; the arrogance of the authorities must be moderated and controlled. Payments to foreign governments must be reduced if the nation doesn’t want to go bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.”
Cicero, 55 BC

Liberuls hate Amerc’a, they hate the Mulitary, they likes to hug terrorists and smooch them, they also focus on all the negative (while we focus on positive thangs) cuz they hates the miltary uniform and all that.  They also love queers.

There’s that liberal arrogance Barack told us about.

This is very true but when you acknowledge failures, you’re branded a terror enabler, or a dhimmi. or a leftard, or an America hater, or an appeaser, etc. etc. etc.

Not so Mike, it is the attitude and actions of some on the left (I noted above) that calls into question thier patriotism, not just acknowledging mistakes.  It is the motive for acknowledging the mistakes that merits that response.

Mike,

Some look at mistakes as part of any war, others look at any mistake as the reason not to have gone to war.  There is a reason why others think this way.

We invaded a country for nuclear weapons, usurped a country and their leader, found no weapons, and then did not further defend ourselves for a reason to stay there other than that we were already there.

We couldn’t.  We could not bring up other reasons to invade Iraq because we did not before.

I think that was the mistake of Bush.  He didn’t pull “a Wilson” and say it was our time to “save democracy and freedom” but I think he should have,
because I think that is what this war boils down to.

To revive a dead freedom in the violent and terrible middle east

This is very true but when you acknowledge failures, you’re branded a terror enabler, or a dhimmi. or a leftard, or an America hater, or an appeaser, etc. etc. etc.

Wrong, Mike; it’s only when you try to undermine this country and try to drum up hate against America that such evaluations are made, and they are true under thos conditions.  President Bush isn’t doing anything like that, and you know it.  I guess you’re just another leftie who wants to change the definition of a word to try to get political advantage.  What a shame.

dirl: We deposed a murdering dictator so that the Iraqi people could have self-determination for the first time in history.
Before we went into Iraq, there was a list of 16 reasons for deposing Saddam.  Wrong again.

There is now a possibility of ending terrorism and tyranny in the ME.  That will never be a mistake.

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it’s only when you try to undermine this country and try to
drum up hate against America that such evaluations are made, and they are
true under thos conditions. President Bush isn’t doing anything like that,
and you know it.

I’ve often expressed my support and admiration for America and I’ve been called all those things because I don’t agree with current American policy. Now that the President has thrown you under the bus, how do you feel?

"The national budget must be balanced. The public debt must be reduced; the arrogance of the authorities must be moderated and controlled. Payments to foreign governments must be reduced if the nation doesn’t want to go bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.”
Cicero, 55 BC

History will show..........

That over 40 MILLION people were given FREEDOM by the United States people.

Freedom
Freedom
Freedom

Just because you leftists dislike freedom unless it conforms to YOUR way of thinking will never stop the truth of my statement.

Your OWN party voted and authorized the invasion. They were as right (or wrong if that’s the sad summation you come to of freeing the people from a brutal murdering dictator) as the President.

Saddam was a clear enemy of the United States. We were attacked and there was evidence and still is that he was cooperating with our enemies, and we took the SOB out!

Try as you will, you will never change the fact we freed the millions of people there and gave them their country BACK!

Blood for oil? How’s that theory working out for you socialist ostriches?

Now that the President has thrown you under the bus, how do you feel?

Only in your biased imagination.  Anyone who knows anything about war knows that mistakes are constantly made, and President Bush’s honesty in admitting that is admirable.  Did Clinton ever admit any of his many mistakes, in a sincere and honest manner?

Only lefties regard feelings to be relevant in a factual/logical discussion.

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I’m honestly wondering why Bush would be honest about it now. I don’t see what he gains from it.

He couldn’t have said it before because many would use that against him to justify a withdrawal. Now that it appears we are achieving success, it’s okay. What does he have to gain? Maybe he’s trying to heal the divide that afflicts the nation. By admitting that he himself had doubts, he’s letting the left know that their own doubts were justifiable and reasonable to a certain extent. What better way to bring two sides together than to acknowledge each other’s stances?

R108: I don’t doubt that there is, but my point was that those “16” problems and such didn’t get the publicity they needed.

This war needed to be justified, instead Bush gave the Dems every reason to think he was being in a way, shady about going to war.  I think that was his mistake, he never made the American people aware of the serious problem in the Middle East, or the posing threat of Islamic Extremists.

My theory is that he couldn’t because his invasion wasn’t justified under those reasons (suffeciently), and he couldn’t very well change them AFTER he invaded a country.

I’ve often expressed my support and admiration for America and I’ve been called all those things because I don’t agree with current American policy.

Mike,

Here’s the deal.  Many people, even far left liberals whose actions betray thier words, often say they support America.  The question is what do they mean?  When patriots say they love America it means they love what America stands for.  They love personal freedom.  They love being self-sufficient and taking responsibility for thier own lives, happiness, prosperity, etc.  They love the free market and the numerous opportunities it offers.  They love our history and the rugged individualism that made America what it is today.  They love America’s greatness.  That isn’t what many liberal’s mean when they say the support America.  I don’t know exactly what they mean except they support America in the most general terms possible.  They cringe at the thought of those things America was born from and has made America what it is today.  The fact of the matter is America is all these things and God willing will never cease to be.

My theory is that he couldn’t because his invasion wasn’t justified under those reasons (suffeciently), and he couldn’t very well change them AFTER he invaded a country.

It’s a theory, no doubt.  You might just factor in media bias, if you think about it from a neutral perspective.  The MSM chose to minimize the clearly stated reasons, stated for over a year’s time, for deposing Saddam.  Of course, you can always blame the President for everything, and you will get plenty of support from America-hating lefties and the MSM.
The fact is that we should have gone to Iraq first, thus not providing Saddam a year to cover his ass, and give our lefties multiple excuses for undermining the war on Islamic terrorism.

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Maybe he’s trying to heal the divide that
afflicts the nation.

Not possible.  It is up to those who have divided the country(as part of their “divide and conquer” strategy for destroying the United States to abandon that agenda.

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Of course, you can always blame the President for everything, and you will get plenty of support from America-hating lefties and the MSM.

When you say “you” I hope you don’t mean me, and you’re just complaining about the lefties.

Because I don’t blame the president for everything, I’m pro-Bush, and I have factored in the MSM, I always do.  Nonetheless I think this war wasn’t properly justified, Bush’s fault, MSM, or not

Andrew...thank you for your thoughtful comments.

HG...I understand what you’re saying to a point but it sounds a bit to me that you’re telling your fellow Americans how to believe and what to support. Freedom is messy and there’s no freer place in the world than America which means it gets messy. I’d revel in the messiness if I was you instead of questioning the patriotism of those who disagree with specific policies.

r108

Only in your biased imagination.

If you can point me to one of your comments made in 2006 which suggests that the operation wasn’t succeeding then I’ll ease up on you. Of course you could always own up to your mistakes and adopt a more balanced view of the Iraqi policy.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

"The national budget must be balanced. The public debt must be reduced; the arrogance of the authorities must be moderated and controlled. Payments to foreign governments must be reduced if the nation doesn’t want to go bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.”
Cicero, 55 BC

Nonetheless I think this war wasn’t
properly justified…

You might want to read this:

http://sayanythingblog.com/readers/entry/saddam_and_al_qaeda1

You might want to consult the facts of the matter.

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If you can point me to one of your comments made in 2006 which suggests that the operation wasn’t succeeding You have misstated the matter; there was never any actual doubt that we would succeed, except in that antiAmerican propaganda mill called the MSM. My position has always been that going into Iraq to depose Saddam, free the Iraqi people and establish a beachhead of modern govt in the heart of the ME was a brilliant move.  The mistake was not to do it right away, and instead give Saddam a year to cover the full extent of his support for terrorism and his threat to the rest of the world. then I’ll ease up on you. That is of absolutely no importance to me.  What’s right is right, whether you recognize it or not. Of course you could always own up to your mistakes and adopt a more balanced view of the Iraqi policy. We win, the terrorists lose; that’s my “view”.  What would a “more balanced” view be, by your standards?

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I’d revel in the messiness if I was you instead of questioning the patriotism of those who disagree with specific policies.

Mike,

If I didn’t know better I’d think you were intentionally trying to mislead with that statement.  I never mentioned specific policies, but spoke of what America is, and why it is that those who reject that America in word and in deed get labeled as such. 

What do you mean when you say you support America Mike?

I have misstated nothing and you don’t have to bother looking for such a comment because we both know it doesn’t exist. As for the rest of your reply, you should save it for a screenplay.

What is a balanced view of the Iraqi operation? Try Google.

"The national budget must be balanced. The public debt must be reduced; the arrogance of the authorities must be moderated and controlled. Payments to foreign governments must be reduced if the nation doesn’t want to go bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.”
Cicero, 55 BC

As for the rest of your reply, you should save it for a screenplay.

Good old “dismissive” Mike.  Thanks for the no-content response.

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HG

If I didn’t know better I’d think you were intentionally trying to mislead with that statement.

Not at all. I have been accused of every name on that list for my disagreement with American policy on Iraq. You may have beefs with others and how they perceive America but my beef did have to do specifically with the policy in Iraq.

I think America and Americans do much good in the world. I think they get too much flak in general and certainly not nearly enough credit for the positive contributions they have made to the world. Is America perfect? No. Would I want to live there? No I wouldn’t because I don’t buy into your founding principles...I see society as more than a collection of individuals.

I support American policies when I think they’re appropriate. Many knock American policies because they’re American policies but I don’t and that’s how I support America.

r108...the difference between us is that I can sum up my dismissive feelings in fewer words than you can. You might think that the content in your prior comment holds meaning but it certainly doesn’t for me. Every time you bring that analysis you are dismissing me...I do it faster. So there. Nyeh.

"The national budget must be balanced. The public debt must be reduced; the arrogance of the authorities must be moderated and controlled. Payments to foreign governments must be reduced if the nation doesn’t want to go bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.”
Cicero, 55 BC

Why should we believe that he knows more about conditions in Iraq than Fred Kagan and Michael Yon and likwidshoe?

On certain things, Michael Yon knows more about the conditions. He’s actually embedded and on the ground in Iraq, something that is obviously a bit impossible for a sitting President.

Why you brought in Fred Kagan or me, I have no clue. If Bush thought that there were times when our victory was in doubt, then it’s most likely because he is privy to lot more information then we are getting. Bush actually gets to meet all of these world leaders that we only read about or see on TV. Leadership that will be instrumental in whether or not Iraq succeeds. This undoubtedly influences perceptions in ways that we can only conjecture.

And hate America for doubting victory? That’s not an argument ever brought forth by me.

Not too slick, Mike.

So there. Nyeh.

I bow to your intellectual prowess.  Six words; so you “beat me” by three.

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If Bush thought that there were times when our victory was in doubt, then it’s most likely because he is privy to lot more information then we are getting.

It’s much more likely that he thought the coalition of MSM/antiwar lefties/obstructionist Dem Party might pull another Vietnam-type defeat, despite our superior force.  Of course, lefties like MikeA will spin it otherwise…

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I think America and Americans do much good in the world. I think they get too much flak in general and certainly not nearly enough credit for the positive contributions they have made to the world. Is America perfect? No. Would I want to live there? No I wouldn’t because I don’t buy into your founding principles...I see society as more than a collection of individuals.

Mike,
Thanks for the honesty. 

So it is safe to say that you have sort of a live and let live attitude towards America even though you fundamentally disagree with our principles of government.  You choose then to live where society and government is more agreeable to your ideology. 

I completely respect that type of thought.

There are far many more who choose to live here who detest fundamental American principles and are not content to allow America to continue on her original course. These have decided to fight from within rather than without.  We Americans know that our way of life is being threatened and attacked by these folks often subtily so as to avoid being perceived as a threat.  So it is many our intention to sound the alarm when they attempt to “change” our nation’s course.

robert108 - It’s much more likely that he thought the coalition of MSM/antiwar lefties/obstructionist Dem Party might pull another Vietnam-type defeat, despite our superior force.

True. I had left that one unsaid.

With Democrat Senators accusing Marines of murder, declaring the war lost before it had even started, proclaiming every misstep in a fashion that only serves the propagandistic aims of the enemy, advocating for surrender, leaking war secrets to the media, and outright inside-the-government sabotage, it’s a legit viewpoint. America just might lose and if she does, it will be her own hand.

likwid: IMO, that’s exactly what he meant.  Of course, it doesn’t fit into Mike’s “the President hates America” meme…

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Why is the President telling ABC News that there have been times when he believed the mission in Iraq was failing? 

He was struck by the lightning bolt called reality!

He was struck by the lightning bolt called reality!

Nope.  He thought you lefties/Dems/MSM might successfully conspire to sell another Vietnam-style defeat to the American people, but you failed.
Good news.

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America just might lose and if she does, it will be her own hand.

Naw, it will be on the heads of the lefties who are the countries worse enemies.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.