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"U.S. negotiators offered new proposals this week after Iraqi lawmakers expressed outrage over the direction of the negotiations, claiming that accepting the U.S. position would cement American military, political and economic domination of this country.”

What did they think? That we went in there to liberate them from tyranny?
No we went to liberate them from their resources and control of their own destiny.

Operation Iraqi Liberation

Excuse me, you were saying?

Another attempt from two lying lefties to snatch defeat from the jaws of obvious victory.
The murdering tyrant Saddam Hussein is dead; the 80% of the Iraqi population whom he enslaved is free from his oppression and the constant threat of death and torture at his hands, and Iraqis have elected their own govt.
I guess that’s bad news for the America-hating lefties like you two.

"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

Operation Iraqi Liberation

GASP!  The first letters in Operation Iraqi Liberation spell out (DOUBLE GASP!) OIL!

Clearly, this is incontrovertible evidence of the war in Iraq being a war for oil.  Debate’s over.  No other input needed.

Well done, boob.

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Another attempt from two lying lefties to snatch defeat from the jaws of obvious victory.
The murdering tyrant Saddam Hussein is dead; the 80% of the Iraqi population whom he enslaved is free from his oppression and the constant threat of death and torture at his hands, and Iraqis have elected their own govt.
I guess that’s bad news for the America-hating lefties like you two.
robert108 on June 13, 2008 at 08:25 am

No. The bad news is this:

“U.S. negotiators offered new proposals this week after Iraqi lawmakers expressed outrage over the direction of the negotiations, claiming that accepting the U.S. position would cement American military, political and economic domination of this country.”

The bad news is this:

“U.S. negotiators offered new proposals this week after Iraqi lawmakers expressed outrage over the direction of the negotiations, claiming that accepting the U.S. position would cement American military, political and economic domination of this country.”

So, your spin is that Iraq is becoming more independent, andis wanting to act on its own?  That’s why we freed them, moron!  Self-determination!
Like I said, trying desperately(and stupidly) to snatch defeat from the jaws of obvious victory.
Tough nuggies for you America-hating lefties.

"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

So, your spin is that Iraq is becoming more independent, and is wanting to act on its own?  That’s why we freed them, moron!  Self-determination!
Like I said, trying desperately(and stupidly) to snatch defeat from the jaws of obvious victory.
Tough nuggies for you America-hating lefties.
robert108 on June 13, 2008 at 09:46 am

If that is the case why are we trying to do this?
“accepting the U.S. position would cement American military, political and economic domination of this country.”

“accepting the U.S. position would cement American military, political and economic domination of this country.”

Your lie about “domination” is your feeble attempt to spin this into defeat for America.  You America-hating lefties keep trying to sell your bullshit.
We freed them to have self-determination, and that’s exactly what they are doing.

"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

I did not lie, and I don’t lie.
Those are the words of the Iraqi prime minister. I wonder why (since he has seen the proposals in person and you have not) would he take such a position. Why would he and Iraqi lawmakers express such outrage over the direction of the negotiations?
Why would they say this if it weren’t true?
His words not mine:"accepting the U.S. position would cement American military, political and economic domination of this country.”

You just don’t get it, troll.  Iraq is displaying its independence, which it has as a result of our freeing them to determine their own course.  This is good news, no matter how hard you try to spin it as bad news.
As a lying leftie, you should be rejoicing in this, not trying to make it into bad news.  This is a direct result of the purple fingers, despite rbb’s lying title.

"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

You just don’t get it, troll.  Iraq is displaying its independence, which it has as a result of our freeing them to determine their own course.  This is good news, no matter how hard you try to spin it as bad news. As a lying leftie, you should be rejoicing in this, not trying to make it into bad news.  This is a direct result of the purple fingers, despite rbb’s lying title.

I am sorry, but it is wrong to confuse liberals with facts, it hurts their poor little heads and confuses them. This news means we helped them become stronger, more self-reliant and sufficiently free from fear of Iran and Al Queda that they can try and exercise independence. My God in Heaven, next they’ll be talking about Liberty!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Yeah; what part of “As the Iraqis stand up, we’ll stand down.” don’t they understand?

"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

Robert108: That is gibberish! We went their for oil! Bush lied, people died. We want to make Iraq a state!

Seriously, you are right on target as usual. Liberasl cannot accept the idea that liberty and democratic principles might flourish elsewhere.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Yeah; what part of “As the Iraqis stand up, we’ll stand down.” don’t they understand?
robert108 on June 13, 2008 at 02:16 pm

This one:“U.S. negotiators offered new proposals this week after Iraqi lawmakers expressed outrage over the direction of the negotiations, claiming that accepting the U.S. position would cement American military, political and economic domination of this country.”
That they are able to stand up to such a proposal is commendable.
The real shame is that we proposed such a thing.

Dear Neiman. Thank you for using your broad brush to paint me.
If you read what I wrote you will see what I see.
It is a shame to make a proposal like this.
Do you see something wrong here?
“...accepting the U.S. position would cement American military, political and economic domination of this country.”

Offering someone their freedom does not mean you try to subjucate them.

e, my question for you is, have you actually read the text of the proposed Joint Security Agreement?

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

Let me guess! No?

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

Your guess is accurate. I was going by what is posted on the thread.
Is it posted anywhere so we can read it?

However it is my belief that robert108 are unfounded and without basis. At this point of the game we are both trying to do the most with a few crumbs that are out there. Since neither one of us is Jesus we cannot turn the crumbs (read loaves) into 5.000 loaves.

Correction:
However it is my belief that robert108’s accusations are unfounded and without basis. At this point of the game we are both trying to do the most with a few crumbs that are out there. Since neither one of us is Jesus we cannot turn the crumbs (read loaves) into 5.000 loaves.

The real shame is that we proposed such a thing.

Shame on you, troll!  As someone who claims to be Greek, you should understand how negotiation, bargaining, and haggling are done.  It’s not a final agreement, and Maliki is just trying to get the price down.  You lefties are always yammering about negotiation, but when we do it, you try to peddle this kind of crap.  Get over yourself.  You are trying to make something positive into a negative, by cherry-picking one statement out of a long negotiation and using it to launch an attack on the US.

"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

The Iraqis may be looking at where our government will be in 7 months and who they’re likely to be dealing with. If, R108 & Neiman, you look at who first mentioned oil, and who are always the ones who mention oil when speaking about Iraq, the Iraqis may just be trying to ensure they have a way out in the event of a U.S. government under total control by Liberals come mid January.

Considering the liberals are the only ones who focus on Iraqi oil, I can’t blame the Iraqis if they are suspicious of their intentions.

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

Dear Neiman. Thank you for using your broad brush to paint me. If you read what I wrote you will see what I see. It is a shame to make a proposal like this.
Do you see something wrong here? “...accepting the U.S. position would cement American military, political and economic domination of this country.

1) Do you have documents proving that is the US position or only the interpretations of those opposing the US position?

2) Do you not in good negotiations ask for the freaking Sun, moon and stars, everything as a starting point? Or, do you make some reasonable, nearly bottom line position leaving nothing to trade for later on as the positions narrow?

Damn, Robert108 said it better than I did, just try and understand how negotiations are conducted and you’ll sleep better.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Spartacus: Good point!

It’s just so easy to cherry-pick one statement out of negotiations that have been going on for months, and try to use it to characterize the entire situation in Iraq, but that’s just a lie.  For instance, the troll hasn’t quoted anything from our side.  Maliki is no doubt engaging in hyperbole, since there no evidence that we have proposed anything that resembles “domination”.  Just more anti-American filth from these two trolls.

"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

Dear sir. You accuse me of launching an attack on the US, whilst I merely disagree and denounce with the position our government took.
Once again thank you for your kind words.
They mean so much to me.

Dear Neiman. I was going by what is posted on the thread.
Is it posted anywhere so we can read it?

Ellinas: I understand! I don’t think the details of the negotiations, at least any real details are available. What if they were? It is negotiations, it is a game, a high stakes chess game and both sides play to public opinion to hopefully sway their opponents to give them more consessions.

That is all I, and I think Robert108, were pointing out. No matter what you hear it is a matter of winning the most chess pieces at the end of the game. Like I said, ask for Iraq to give us free oil forever, lots of real estate, exclusine contracts for our farmers or other key inductries, hell ask for Bagdad Itl Airpport to be the George W Bush international airport, just everything; then trade this and this for that and that and hope that we get more than we give away.

If you start with outlandish demands at the end you hope to reach a modest agreement. If you start with modest, reasonable demands, you will absolutely end up with something much less than a modest agreement. If you want 100% of something, you better ask for 300% and work towards no less than 200% to end up with something close to 100%.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman believe me you. I understand the nature of bargaining. However dear friend, this is neither a flea market, nor a bazaar. It is their country, their future. You would not want any foreigners telling us how to defecate would you?

You would not want any foreigners telling us how to defecate would you?

What????.....What’s you’re opinion of open borders and the mass of illegal aliens issue, and our having to cater to their needs?

Strange that you would state that as a defense of your position.

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

You would not want any foreigners telling us how to defecate would you?

More bullshit from you, troll.  You spin the lie that we are trying to “dominate” them, which is just bargaining hyperbole, and cherry-picked, to boot.  This negotiation is for their future, which is much more important that either a flea market or a bazaar. If they can stand on their own, we need to know that.

"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

robert108,

Another attempt from two lying lefties to snatch defeat from the jaws of obvious victory.

‘lying lefties’ is an excellent response, with no substance. ‘obvious victory’ if you’re talking about Saddam being toppled, but that wasn’t the real war, the real war was hearts and minds. 14 US troops have died in this month, that doesn’t equal ‘obvious victory.’

Iraqis have elected their own govt.

Not quite. More of an appointocracy. If you’d like to debate this, I’m all ears.

America-hating lefties

“To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.” ~Theodore Roosevelt

Iraq is displaying its independence, which it has as a result of our freeing them to determine their own course.

Then you should support them with their wishes of having our troops leave soon, not build permanent bases, and not allow the U.S. to control the country behind the scenes.

Spartacus,

Considering the liberals are the only ones who focus on Iraqi oil, I can’t blame the Iraqis if they are suspicious of their intentions.

I knew it, John McCain is a closet liberal.

“My friends, I will have an energy policy that we will be talking about, which will eliminate our dependence on oil from the Middle East that will - that will then prevent us - that will prevent us from having ever to send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East.” -John McCain

What????.....What’s you’re opinion of open borders and the mass of illegal aliens issue, and our having to cater to their needs?
Strange that you would state that as a defense of your position.
Spartacus on June 13, 2008 at 05:23 pm

I believe in controlling our bordres and I do not like illegas. They have no place in our country. I have made my position clear on this on numerous occasions. Strange you would ask such a question.

Nunez: First, our side doesn’t believe McCain is all that conservative. Second Where exactly did he mention Iraq and oil?  Your side is the one that does that, what are your intentions?
As I hinted the ones with dreams of stealing Iraqi oil are the ones who want to steal from U.S. citizens via the federal government. Although they despise the terms stealing and theft, they prefer the term TAX. If the shoe fits, wear it dude.

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

I believe in controlling our bordres and I do not like illegas. They have no place in our country. I have made my position clear on this on numerous occasions. Strange you would ask such a question.

odd that you would feel that way and defend your position with the statement:

You would not want any foreigners telling us how to defecate would you?

You’re not a hypocrite are you?

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

^ feh, nevermind, been a long day & I need to crash…

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

You’re not a hypocrite are you?
Spartacus on June 13, 2008 at 06:38 pm

No I am not. What makes you think I am?

Dubya is trying to own/steal/control/dictatorship Iraq! It can’t possibly be that US military and civilian leaders are negotiating a strong US presence in order to maintain present security gains because they fear Iraq’s fledgling government might squander it!  The Iraqi leadership is right....this time!  They aren’t right when they disagree with us leftists that we should yank US soldiers directly out of Iraq right fucking now.  But they are right that Dubya is trying to dictator them!  Only the stuff they say that we can spin into something negative has any bearing on our reality!