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Wednesday, August 29, 2007

What Crime Did Sen. Craig Commit?

An opinion piece by robert108


In order to get around some of the BS, let’s make some assumptions. First, Sen. Craig is gay. Second, he was in that bathroom looking for love(or whatever). Third, like the lefties say, “There’s nothing wrong with that.” After all, they insist that homosexuality is “mainstream”, maybe even “normal”. With me so far? Even if we assume all that, the uproar over this “crime” remains very curious.

So, assuming all that, what really happened? If Sen. Craig went into said bathroom, fully gay and looking for someone else with the same inclination, what was his crime? If the man he wished to approach was not gay, in all probability his “signals” wouldn’t have been noticed, or if they had been, they would have been ignored. No harm, no foul.

If the man he “signalled” to was gay, but not interested in Sen. Craig, once again, no harm, no foul.

If the man in the other stall was gay and interested, once again, everything’s just fine, unless you are a bigot and object to two consenting adults doing something they both want to do. This is, according to the lefties, something only Republicans do: object to homosexual behavior.

Now it gets interesting. Sen. Craig(fully gay and looking for love) enters the bathroom, and the other guy is an undercover cop, looking to bust a “pervert”. He interprets Sen. Craig’s behavior as an attempt to solicit sex from him, and busts him. So, what was the Senator’s crime? There was no chance of any homosexual behavior(which the lefties claim is OK), because the guy is a cop; no crime of that nature had any chance of occurring. In fact, Sen. Craig was charged with “disorderly conduct”, not “lewd behavior” or “soliciting sex”, but “disorderly conduct”, like being drunk and loud outside a bar, or something like that.

Despite all this, the lefties are acting as if this is the crime of the century. My conclusion is that Sen. Craig is guilty of “being gay while being Republican”.

And, he might not even be gay; he might just be a target of the Dem gay smear machine. Lacking issues, the Dems are now resorting to gay smear as their main campaign strategy. Pathetic and hypocritical.

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Gay pick up behavior is held to a different legal standard than heterosexual behavior.

Just don’t scare the horses.

WOOF on August 29, 2007 at 08:21 am

Gay pick up behavior is held to a different legal standard than heterosexual behavior.

Especially for gay Republicans.  Barney Frank faced no penalty for having his young gay “companion” using his home for homosexual prostitution purposes.  That would have been a felony if a gay Republican had done it.


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robert108 on August 29, 2007 at 08:26 am

As a lefty, I find what Craig did appalling. No two persons should have sex in public areas, including straight people. What I as a lefty dislike is his hypocrisy. He votes against the gay agenda and allighns
himself with the folks who dislike gays. At the same time he is out doing his thing in public bathrooms.


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Davinski on August 29, 2007 at 01:26 pm

What I as a lefty dislike is his hypocrisy. He votes against the gay agenda...

What’s the agenda?

...and allighns
himself with the folks who dislike gays.

Democrats.

likwidshoe on August 29, 2007 at 02:02 pm

What I as a lefty dislike is his hypocrisy. He votes against the gay agenda…

So, he has no choice?  How totalitarian of you.


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robert108 on August 29, 2007 at 02:20 pm

At the same time he is out doing his thing in public bathrooms.

To repeat for the willfully ignorant: While he was accused of sex crimes(none of which involved “doing his thing”, btw), he was convicted, through voluntary confession, only of “disorderly conduct”, which is a misdemeanor, and not a sex crime.  The cops did this voluntarily, even though he didn’t have a lawyer present to represent him.  That should tell you something.


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robert108 on August 29, 2007 at 02:30 pm
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Hey, being a hypocrite and being morally weak are two separate things.

If Craig were a hypocrite he’d advocate against homosexuality while privately thinking it’s really ok.  Being weak means advocating against something you think is morally wrong but privately have a personal failing and engaging in it.

(Again, I don’t think there’s anything morally wrong with being gay.)


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Rob on August 29, 2007 at 03:00 pm

Rob-- I have to admit that your point about hypocrite or weak is a good one. I never thought about it like that.


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Davinski on August 29, 2007 at 03:57 pm
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I think of it like this:

I don’t think being fat is healthy.  I wouldn’t want my daughter to be fat.  Unfortunately, I am fat, and I am that way because I have a weakness for overeating.  And I don’t get enough exercise.

But just because I’m fat doesn’t mean I think being fat is ok.


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Rob on August 29, 2007 at 04:15 pm

"(Again, I don’t think there’s anything morally wrong with being gay.)”

“I don’t think being fat is healthy.  I wouldn’t want my daughter to be fat.  Unfortunately, I am fat, and I am that way because I have a weakness for overeating.  And I don’t get enough exercise.”

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RoxanneAkimbo on August 29, 2007 at 05:34 pm
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Not sure if that was a serious offer or not, but sorry sweetheart.  I’m already hitched.


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Rob on August 29, 2007 at 06:08 pm

I think he copped to the lesser charge because he flipped out on the cop and went into a Mel Gibson moment about gays. This story just don’t add up any other way.


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2Hotel9 on August 29, 2007 at 06:51 pm

This story just don’t add up any other way.

Sure it does; it’s normal police practice to overcharge to frighten and intimidate the suspect into a confession, which is easier than having them be made fools of in court.  They get an arrest, and can act as if they did something good.  They knew they had nothing on him, and tried to play him into confessing to something before he came to his senses and called a lawyer.  They probably threatened him with the destruction of his career, knowing that even an accusation of sex crimes would ruin him.  They were right.


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robert108 on August 29, 2007 at 08:43 pm

What horseshit, 108.  Sen. Craig showed the cop his business card; normally cops try to intimidate only poor, minority folks.

Rob, totally joking, dude.  But I do like your style.

RoxanneAkimbo on August 30, 2007 at 11:51 am
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I’ve written this several times before. Here it is again:

I think it’s almost indisputable that--if the officer’s facts are correct--Larry Craig was guilty of the more serious charge of interference with privacy, a gross misdemeanor. Minnesota law states:

“Interference With Privacy: A person is guilty of a gross misdemeanor who (...) surreptitiously gazes, stares, or peeps (...) (in a) place where a reasonable person would have an expectation of privacy and has exposed or is likely to expose their intimate parts (...) and does so with intent to intrude upon or interfere with the privacy of the occupant.”
.” (MN 609.746)

The police officer’s report states:

“I entered the men’s restroom and proceeded to an unoccupied stall in the back of the restroom. (...) At 1213 hours, I could see an older white male with grey hair (i.e., Larry Craig) standing outside my stall. I could see Craig look through the crack in the door from his position. Craig would look down at his hands, fidget with his fingers, and then look through the crack into my stall again. (...) I was able to see Craig’s blue eyes as he looked into my stall.”

If the officer’s account is based in fact, Craig is guilty of interference with privacy, a gross misdemanor. Hence, he should have been arrested.

Dave on August 30, 2007 at 12:26 pm

But davey, ain’t it a gross misdemeanor to murder a helpless human?


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2Hotel9 on August 30, 2007 at 05:45 pm
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But davey, ain’t it a gross misdemeanor to murder a helpless human?

Uh.... I think that’s usually a felony.
Dave on August 30, 2007 at 09:55 pm

Then why do you advocate killing babies because they are inconvenient? Explain yourself, teenybopper.


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2Hotel9 on August 31, 2007 at 03:34 am
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