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Wednesday, April 23, 2008

“we have reached out to DoD, DoJ”

WASHINGTON - FBI Director Robert Mueller on Wednesday recalled warning the Justice Department and the Pentagon that some U.S. interrogation methods used against terrorists might be inappropriate, if not illegal.

Mueller’s comments came under pointed questioning by House Democrats demanding to know if the FBI tried to stop interrogations in 2002 that critics define as torture.

Mueller said the FBI does not use coercive techniques when questioning suspects or witnesses, and he reportedly pulled his agents out of CIA or military interrogations several years ago to protect them from legal consequences.

FBI protocol “wouldn’t engage in torture,” said Rep. Stephen Cohen, D-Tenn. “But if you find out that other agencies may engage in torture, that you believe is illegal — does your protocol include informing those agencies that you believe their actions are illegal?”

“Yes,” Mueller answered.

“Who did you inform?” Cohen asked.

“At points in time, we have reached out to DoD, DoJ, in terms of activity that we were concerned might not be appropriate, let me put it that way,” Mueller said. DoD refers to the Department of Defense and DoJ to the Department of Justice.

Comments

Applied to US Citizens? Mueller was correct. Applied to non-uniformed bandits/brigands? He is as wrong as his nappy headed wife.


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on April 23, 2008 at 05:46 pm

2H9,

Ignoring this ass really does work better…


Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

Rodney Graves on April 23, 2008 at 09:02 pm

I’m having way too much fun at this moron’s expense.


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on April 24, 2008 at 03:45 am

As the consequences of Hamdan sank in, the instinct for self-preservation asserted itself. The lawyers got busy. Within four months President Bush signed into law the Military Commissions Act. This created a new legal defense against lawsuits for misconduct arising from the “detention and interrogation of aliens” between September 11, 2001, and December 30, 2005. That covered the interrogation of al-Qahtani, and no doubt much else.

Josef Altstötter had the misfortune, because of his name, to be the first defendant listed among the 16 [at Nuremberg]. He was not the most important or the worst, although he was… convicted (4 were acquitted, one committed suicide, and there was one mistrial). He was a well-regarded member of society and a high-ranking lawyer. In 1943 he joined the Reich Ministry of Justice in Berlin, where he served as a Ministerialdirektor, the chief of the civil-law-and-procedure division. He became a member of the SS in 1937. The U.S. Military Tribunal found him guilty of membership in that criminal organization—with knowledge of its criminal acts—and sentenced him to five years in prison, which he served in full. He returned to legal practice in Nuremberg and died in 1979.

...“He gave his name as a soldier and a jurist of note and so helped to cloak the shameful deeds of that organization from the eyes of the German people.” The tribunal convicted Altstötter largely on the basis of two letters. ... The first, dated May 3, 1944, was from the chief of the SS intelligence service to [Altstotter], asking him to intervene with the regional court of Vienna and stop it from ordering the transfer of Jews from the concentration camp at Theresienstadt back to Vienna to appear as witnesses in court hearings. The second letter was Altstötter’s response, a month later, to the president of the court in Vienna. “For security reasons,” he wrote, “these requests cannot be granted.” The U.S. Military Tribunal proceeded on the basis that Altstötter would have known what the concentration camps were for.

...a judge and a prosecutor in a major European city [are informed of the Guantanamo circumstances]. [They] are struck by the immunity from prosecution provided by the Military Commissions Act. “That is very stupid,” said the prosecutor, explaining that it would make it much easier for investigators outside the United States to argue that possible war crimes would never be addressed by the justice system in the home country — one of the trip wires enabling foreign courts to intervene. For some of those involved in the Guantánamo decisions, prudence may well dictate a more cautious approach to international travel. And for some the future may hold a tap on the shoulder.

“It’s a matter of time,” the judge observed. “These things take time.” As I gathered my papers, he looked up and said, “And then something unexpected happens, when one of these [men] travels to the wrong place.”

Hmm.

rasberry

Sparkie Arbuckle on April 24, 2008 at 04:41 pm

Perhaps, spark, they should have given more thought to the consequences of their decision to seek the glory of their god by murdering innocent Muslim children and women? What you think, deathworshipper? Your on their side. How could they have avoided being treated as sub-human enemies of all Human beings?


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on April 24, 2008 at 05:08 pm

What would your syphilitic hero Nietzsche say?


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on April 24, 2008 at 05:09 pm

I wonder how long before Rumsfeld gets ‘Pinochet-ed’? Hee hee hee.


rasberry

Sparkie Arbuckle on April 24, 2008 at 05:38 pm
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