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Tuesday, August 05, 2008

Vermont to Massachusetts & Local Traitor Mayor: Kiss Off

Wow. This stuff appalls me.
A recent conference on illegal gun trafficking has put Vermont, along with the mayor of the state’s largest city, back in the crosshairs of an ongoing debate in New England.

The debate centers on this basic premise: Do Vermont’s lax gun laws contribute to crimes in other cities by encouraging illegal gun trafficking? According to top law enforcement officials, the answer is no.


Despite that answer, a local mayor is showing a greater allegiance to out-of-state innuendo.
Boston has gone so far as to put up billboards along Interstate 93 laying the blame for illegal gun crimes squarely on Vermont’s doorstep.
For no reason other than emotional blackmail, with no data. If I was from Mass... nevermind. I can't even imagine what that counterfactual would be like. Now, the local Vermont Mayor, Kiss, offers:
“The fact that I signed onto the gun statement, at minimum, was a vote of solidarity with the mayors of much bigger cities, and to recognize that there is a problem,” said Kiss. “While things might not be terrible here, they are more serious in other places.”

Kiss said he is not sure that Burlington has a problem with illegal gun trafficking, but said several recent deaths in the city involving guns concern him, and he wants to be sure the city is going all it can to protect its citizens from gun violence.
For his part, Kiss believes that Vermont lawmakers should discuss whether to enact laws that would require waiting periods to purchase guns, require guns to be sold with child safety locks, as well as require guns to be locked away from children. He also thinks there may need to be a limit, per month, on the number of guns purchased by one person.

He also argues that Vermont lawmakers should discuss whether it should tighten up its laws around the sale of guns, and require background checks and waiting periods for all sales, not just those from licensed dealers, but also among private sales and gun shows. He doesn’t see that as an undo restriction to owning a gun, or deterring law-abiding citizens from buying guns, but it might deter people who buy them to sell for drugs, or to use for crimes.

“Why shouldn’t we enact these things? These are all based on responsible gun ownership and they have a real potential to improve public safety and we ought to at least seriously talk about them. I don’t have all the answers, but I think it’s good to have these discussions,” said Kiss.

However, the Vermont Federation of Sportsmen believes Kiss is buying into a false argument.


Oh my god, Vermonters have an opinion on this! Their own state laws!
“For all this hoopla, I have to ask what’s it all about? We don’t have a problem here, and there is no empirical data that I can locate that we’re creating a problem in Boston or New York. It’s more political posturing than anything else,” said Evan Hughes of the Vermont Federation of Sportsmen. “If I had a crime problem and I didn’t want to deal with it myself I would try to blame someone else, too.”


The kicker is that Kiss is suckered into feeling guilty by these bogus accusations.

About half of Vermonters own a gun.

Hughes said Kiss should not rely on conjecture from other mayors, but facts.

“For him to continue doing this when the facts do not represent his position is irresponsible and inexcusable,” said Hughes. “He is smearing this great state.”




Clearly, now lets see what the fed has to say. (Shudder.)

Federal officials say the most common illegal gun purchase in Vermont is the “straw purchase.” This is when someone buys a gun, knowing they are going to immediately turn over the gun to another person. In most cases, those guns are traded for drugs. The guns are then taken back to the drug dealer’s city of origin and either sold for an additional profit, or used in a crime.


More innuendo. No data.
“A $200 to $300 weapon here is worth five times that in New York City or DC,” said Darren Gil of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF).


So what? (Cringe.)
In fact, a 2000 ATF report on gun trafficking in Boston shows that Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine are not the major sources of illegal guns. Instead, it is Alabama, Texas, Georgia, South Carolina, and Florida that are the main sources. Nearly half of the illegal guns used in crimes in Boston in 2000 came from Massachusetts.

“We have not heard of Vermont being a source state for us,” said Virginia Lam, deputy press secretary for Bloomberg. Instead, said Lam, the majority of guns coming into New York are from the so-called Iron Pipeline, or the I-95 corridor in South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida.


Mayor Kiss? Care to comment?
This January, Bloomberg hopes to bring as many of the 122 mayors together in Washington, said Lam, to build momentum to call on Congress to make some changes to federal law. And, she stressed, any legislation the coalition is focusing on right now is aimed at allowing ATF and local officials to share more information about the illegal guns used in crimes.


I know this is old news, but if your mayor partakes in this sorts of activities, i.e. emotional innuendo and fallacy, and meets with and supports Bloomberg’s little group… you just might want to write him a letter. Luckily the area of Vermont I hail from isn’t quite as densely populated as Burlington. Kiss off, Mayor Kiss. If you wish to be a mayor elsewhere, GO DO IT.

Comments

The entire anti-gun ideology is based on how they FEEL about guns, not on actual crime.


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on August 5, 2008 at 03:54 pm

hotel
The thing that pisses me off the most about this is that Mass is waging a bogus propaganda war against Vermont. They should worry about their own fucking laws and keeping heroin dealers out of Vermont.

No, Vermont has the most lenient gun laws in the country and its just too much for the Massholes who want to control everyone’s life according to their knee-jerk anti-empirical intuitions.

This Kiss guy is mayor of Burlington. Burlington is populated by mostly out-of-staters and recent transplants. Perhaps soon Vermont will begin to have a strict ‘naturalization’ program in order to avoid having foreigners influencing our politics in such a negative manner.

This is just like illegal immigrants protesting if you ask me. Moral reform needs to come from within Vermont, not from Mass, Conn, or the other shitholes that import latte drinking douches into our state by the handful. If they want Mass laws, they should stay in Mass. If Mass doesn’t want drug dealers coming to Vermont for guns, they should crack down on drug dealers or put up a ‘border guard’ instead of trying to take responsible free action away from us in the name of their hunches.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on August 6, 2008 at 06:30 am

We are, as is so often the case, in complete agreement on this. PA is also being vilified by the gungrabbers, even though you have to fulfill all the background check requirements prior to any weapons purchase.

And as for their contention that law enforcement agencies, at all levels are not sharing data concerning crimes committed with illegally purchased and stolen guns, that is bullshit. As indicated by the very figures, from state and Federal agencies, that they toss about to prove that illegally purchased and stolen guns are a major component in crime. Talk about talking out of both sides of your mouth! These idiots are shameless.


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on August 6, 2008 at 10:23 am
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