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Monday, October 29, 2007

VA Bans God From Flag Folding Ceremonies

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“A memo from Steve Muro, director of the Veterans Affairs’ office of field programs, bans use of a recitation about the meaning of the 13 folds of the flag, which produce the famous star-covered triangle. [Because] The recitation references God several times.”

“Effective immediately all national cemeteries are to refrain from distributing any handouts on ‘The Meaning of Each Fold of an Honor Guard Funeral Flag,’ remove any postings from all cemetery buildings and discontinue our VA-Sponsored Volunteer Honor Guards from using the handout as a script at a committal service during the folding of the flag,” the directive said.”

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58395

The idea that the United States Government has developed over the past few decades an official hostility to religion and people of faith is repugnant to me and I believe it is wholly contrary to the First Amendment and the intent of our Founding Fathers.

It is also offensive to me that because of a very few atheists, agnostics or other radical elements that the majority of Christians in this country are denied equal access to the public square.

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The separation of Church and state is at the heart of this no doubt.  It appears many fail to discern between God and Church, between the Creator and religion, between natural revelation and supernatural revelation, between philosophy and faith.  Proof of this is the fact that the mere mention of a Creator, or God in any public setting is met with cries of “seperation of church and state”. 

It seems to me the prevelence of naturalism has left many ignorant of the observation and reason underlying the conclusions of natural philosophy.  Once understood, a clear line of distinction between the Creator as an inference drawn from nature and religion as faith drawn from supernatural revelation, e.g., the bible, exists. 

This lack of discernment is taking its toll on our application of “make no law establishing a religion” to “make all law ignore natural philosophy” and inevitabely “natural law” both of which are woven throughout the fabric of our constitution and fundamentally essential thereto.  Besides this, ignoring the conclusion of natural philosophy in law is to both imply the truth of and in many cases establish, a competing philosophical premise, in this case, naturalism or materialism. Bottom line, philosophy is not religion and the conflation of the two is creating unnecessary and very regretable divisions.

HG on October 30, 2007 at 09:45 am

They keep ignoring the second clause of the First Amendment, which reads: “...nor prohibit the free exercise thereof."(of religion).  The phrase “separation of Church and State” was coined by a Supreme Court justice who was a member of the Klan, and who hated Catholics.


Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

robert108 on October 30, 2007 at 10:17 am
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They keep ignoring the second clause of the First Amendment, which reads: “...nor prohibit the free exercise thereof."(of religion).

Good point.  All who acknowledge nature’s Creator are being forced by the ignorance of the minority to behave and speak as if no Creator can be inferred from nature without religion… in effect, we all by our actions and words must imply no God exists… in all public settings. 

hmm, if all property was public, like the socialist want, I guess pretty much freedom of reigious expression would be out.

HG on October 30, 2007 at 10:50 am

Robert108...Great point! BUT ignoring it doesn’t make it go away. We need to keep reminded of that.

Zsa Zsa on October 30, 2007 at 11:24 am

Great point! BUT ignoring it doesn’t make it go away.

Yes, it won’t go away but that doesn’t mean one has to accept it.  Laws and actions prohibiting Christianity did not stop the early apostles and discipiles from preaching the ‘Good News’.  Christ spoke to that many times predicting violence and stress between members of a society i.e. ‘They will be divided, father against son and son against father’ and praising those that went forward despite the opposition. i.e. ‘Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven’


You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

docdave on October 30, 2007 at 11:50 am

ZZ: That was the purpose of my comment, to point out that the Constitution spells it out, no matter what the lefties try to sell us.


Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

robert108 on October 30, 2007 at 11:52 am

Robert108...I understood that. I probably should have said we need to remind people of that… I am glad you spoke up just to remind people!

Zsa Zsa on October 30, 2007 at 03:19 pm
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