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Sunday, September 07, 2008

US Tortures Child, Appeals Dismissal of Illegal Tribunal

I awoke today to an envelope from a friend containing the affidavit of Omar Ahmed Khadr.

Omar was brought to Afghanistan at the age of 10 when he met Osama bin Laden. He was captured during a firefight at the age of 15, severely wounded. Subsequently, he was tortured extensively and offered blatantly false statements under extreme coercion. His chief interrogator‘s unit was known by the military to have killed two men with their interrogation techniques, both ruled homicides by the military. After his capture...
[Omar] had been denied forms of surgery to punish him for not cooperating with military forces. Later attempts to acquire darkened sunglasses to protect his failing eyesight were denied for “state security” reasons.


In Bagram...
[Omar] was refused pain medication for his wounds, that he had his hands tied above a door frame for hours, had cold water thrown on him, had a bag placed over his head and was threatened with military dogs, was flatulated upon, forced to carry 5-gallon pails of water to aggravate his shoulder wound. Unallowed to use washrooms, he was forced to urinate on himself.


In Guantanamo...
[Omar] was told “Your life is in my hands” by a military interrogator, who spat on him, tore out some of his hair and threatened to send him to a country that would torture him more thoroughly, making specific reference to an Egyptian Askri raqm tisa ("Soldier Number Nine") who enjoyed raping prisoners. The interrogation ended with Khadr being told he would spend the rest of his life in Guantanamo. A few weeks later, an interrogator giving his name as Izmarai spoke to Khadr in Pashto, threatening to send him to a “new prison” at Bagram Airbase where “they like small boys”.

In all, Khadr has been reported to have been kept in solitary confinement for long periods of time; to have been denied adequate medical treatment; to have been subjected to short shackling, and left bound, in uncomfortable stress positions until he soiled himself. ...his interrogators “dragged [him] back and forth in a mixture of his urine and pine oil” and did not provide a change of clothes for two days in March.


Omar’s case was dismissed in late June because the illegal tribunal trying him decided they lacked jurisdiction. In early July, the government appealed.

I wonder if McCain/Palin will continue the US’s kiddie torture and trying child soldiers in illegal tribunals?

Does anyone actually think that useful or accurate information can be obtained in these extremely coercive situations?

Rolling Stone has a long article here. "The Unending Torture of Omar Khadr"

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arfuckle… you are so wrong on so many levels that one hardly knows where to start.

Lets try here first..  What exactly is a “child soldier”? If, by that term, you mean a 15/16 year-old, armed, trained, and ready to kill, then the child was done away with long ago by his handlers when he became a terrorist.

Or, are you suggesting that our soldiers, when observing a 16 year-old girl girdled with high explosives or Omar, armed to the teeth, should say… “Oh, wait. Leave ‘em alone. Sparky Arbuckle, safe and sound back in the US, says it’s not nice to treat a teen-ager as an enemy combatant.”

Is that what you’re suggesting?


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The times, they are a-changin’...
Bob Dylan

pparets on September 7, 2008 at 10:19 am

pp
Are you suggesting that a kid who was brainwashed since birth by his extremeist father and forced to fight in a Jihad has any legel culpability or responsibility for his actions?

Are you suggesting that torture is a legitimate means of obtaining intelligence or evidence to be used in court?

Why did the child soldiers in Sierra Leone get a pass, but not this one?

The only way the interrogator knows if the guy is telling the truth is if he already knows the answers.

Omar’s torturer pled guilty. The military ruled the two people who died at the hands of his unit homicides.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on September 7, 2008 at 10:30 am

Arfuckle:

Omar’s torturer plead guilty

...then he was indicted, tried and found guilty?  So, does that mean that the United States does not condone what he did?


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The times, they are a-changin’...
Bob Dylan

pparets on September 7, 2008 at 10:40 am

Guilty of homicide. Not kiddie torture.

Keep whirling, dervish.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on September 7, 2008 at 10:44 am

Oh.. then the US did not condone what he did.  That’s what I thought.


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The times, they are a-changin’...
Bob Dylan

pparets on September 7, 2008 at 10:51 am

That’s a shame.

The military should have killed Omar Ahmed Khadr on the spot.

I wonder if McCain/Palin will continue the US’s ridiculous policy of letting our enemies live.

likwidshoe on September 7, 2008 at 10:52 am

then the US did not condone what he did

You lie. Bush, Addington, Rumsfeld, Cheney, and a host of others… all approved of this. Addington travelled to Guantanamo to observe this very activity.

War criminals.

How do we feel when our POWs are treated like that? Listening to Fred Thompson the other day… Jon Stewart rightly mused that Guantanamo must be a future leaders academy.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on September 7, 2008 at 10:56 am

Bush, Addington, Rumsfeld, Cheney, and a host of others… all approved of this. Addington travelled to Guantanamo to observe this very activity.

Prove it.

Good luck.

likwidshoe on September 7, 2008 at 11:02 am

The military should have killed Omar Ahmed Khadr on the spot.

They tried. He was shot twice in the back and twice in the front and had two 500 lb bombs dropped on his vicinity. But he lived.

I wonder if McCain/Palin will continue the US’s ridiculous policy of letting our enemies live.

There are certain rules and regs when it comes to warfare and prisoner rights. We consented, long ago, to abide by those.

Like it or not, that makes certain current and former members of the current administration war criminals according to international law. Bush knows it. That’s why he granted immunity to the torturers, remember? Unfortunately, that just makes it more likely that they will be picked up internationally. One of the ‘prongs’ which is conducive to arresting these individuals internationally is not standing a chance of being tried domestically for their crimes.

Pinochet reprise. I give it 10 to 15 years before they get one of the upper guys. It’ll happen. In Belgium or some such place.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on September 7, 2008 at 11:05 am

lik

Prove it.

Good luck.

Not everyone at Guantánamo was enthusiastic. The F.B.I. and the Naval Criminal Investigative Service refused to be associated with aggressive interrogation. They opposed the techniques. One of the N.C.I.S. psychologists, Mike Gelles, knew about the brainstorming sessions but stayed away. He was dismissive of the administration’s contention that the techniques trickled up on their own from Guantánamo. “That’s not accurate,” he said flatly. “This was not done by a bunch of people down in Gitmo—no way.”

That view is buttressed by a key event that has received virtually no attention. On September 25, as the process of elaborating new interrogation techniques reached a critical point, a delegation of the administration’s most senior lawyers arrived at Guantánamo. The group included the president’s lawyer, Alberto Gonzales, who had by then received the Yoo-Bybee Memo; Vice President Cheney’s lawyer, David Addington, who had contributed to the writing of that memo; the C.I.A.’s John Rizzo, who had asked for a Justice Department sign-off on individual techniques, including waterboarding, and received the second (and still secret) Yoo-Bybee Memo; and Jim Haynes, Rumsfeld’s counsel. They were all well aware of al-Qahtani. “They wanted to know what we were doing to get to this guy,” Dunlavey told me, “and Addington was interested in how we were managing it.” I asked what they had to say. “They brought ideas with them which had been given from sources in D.C.,” Dunlavey said. “They came down to observe and talk.” Throughout this whole period, Dunlavey went on, Rumsfeld was “directly and regularly involved.”

Beaver confirmed the account of the visit. Addington talked a great deal, and it was obvious to her that he was a “very powerful man” and “definitely the guy in charge,” with a booming voice and confident style. Gonzales was quiet. Haynes, a friend and protégé of Addington’s, seemed especially interested in the military commissions, which were to decide the fate of individual detainees. They met with the intelligence people and talked about new interrogation methods. They also witnessed some interrogations. Beaver spent time with the group. Talking about the episode even long afterward made her visibly anxious. Her hand tapped and she moved restlessly in her chair. She recalled the message they had received from the visitors: Do “whatever needed to be done.” That was a green light from the very top—the lawyers for Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the C.I.A. The administration’s version of events—that it became involved in the Guantánamo interrogations only in November, after receiving a list of techniques out of the blue from the “aggressive major general”—was demonstrably false.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on September 7, 2008 at 11:17 am

America was against torture before she was against it.
Sparkie. Do you not know torture is a crime only when our enemies do it? Get with the program dude. You America hater you!

ellinas on September 7, 2008 at 11:17 am

Sparkie Arbuckle - They tried. He was shot twice in the back and twice in the front and had two 500 lb bombs dropped on his vicinity. But he lived.

Damn!

I’m more concerned about incompetence of our military to kill this little bottom feeding scumsucker.

But that’s me - give no quarter to the enemy. Treat them right and kill them on the spot. Give them their dues.

I don’t agree with any kind of torture, just a swift death on the battlefield.

likwidshoe on September 7, 2008 at 11:18 am

An apologist for terrorist, you wear the emblem poorly, sparkless.


You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

docdave on September 7, 2008 at 11:19 am

Do you not know torture is a crime only when our enemies do it?

I know we think its fine in Syria, Egypt, Poland, Romania, Mexico, etc.... because they let us do it there.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on September 7, 2008 at 11:19 am

just a swift death on the battlefield

shooting non-threatening prisoners doesn’t pan out well. ask the serbians about that.

I’m more concerned about incompetence of our military to kill this little bottom feeding scumsucker.

If you look at Omar’s wikipedia entry, there is a detailed and well cited account of his capture. They literally did shoot him 4 or 5 times and drop two 500 pound bombs on him as well as strafing the area. Two warthogs, two apaches, and ground reinforcments (a rifle company or some such thing) were involved.

Anyway, 15 year olds are still kids. They can’t consent and when they are killing people, its their parents fault. Anyone with a brain knows that.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on September 7, 2008 at 11:25 am

Err on the side of life.


Excuse me, you were saying?


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realitybasedbob on September 7, 2008 at 11:31 am

Just remember that, arfuckle, if you’re ever confronted by a 15 year-old thug packing a piece on the streets of Brattleborough.  It’s the parent’s fault. Don’t fight back.

Oh, wait… not much chance of that since Vermont has a minority population of about .05%.


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The times, they are a-changin’...
Bob Dylan

pparets on September 7, 2008 at 11:32 am

"realitybased"bob actually had the nerve to say, Err on the side of life.

Except when it is abortion.

Innocent life - kill them.
Enemies caught on the battlefield - “err on the side of life.”

And some still wonder why the left isn’t taken seriously in matters of war and foreign policy.

likwidshoe on September 7, 2008 at 11:32 am

Sparkie Arbuckle - Anyway, 15 year olds are still kids. They can’t consent and when they are killing people, its their parents fault. Anyone with a brain knows that.

This tells us a lot about your mindset.

15 year olds know what they are doing. They, and they alone, are responsible for their actions.

likwidshoe on September 7, 2008 at 11:35 am

Lik
If you read Omar’s wikipedia entry, the soldiers explain how Omar was begging to be killed on the spot.
Omar_Khadr_getting_battlefield_first_aid.jpg
I proved Addington, Gonzales, etc. visited and observed the happenings at GITMO. Thanks for wishing me luck, but I didn’t need any.

Pinochet reprise.

pp

It’s the parent’s fault. Don’t fight back.

nice bogus attribution, pp. you can leave the ‘u-g-h’ off the end of that location. i never said we shouldn’t fight back. this concerns captured, disarmed prisoners.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on September 7, 2008 at 11:56 am

What al Qaeda and his parents did to this child is reprehensible. What we did with him, after capturing him… is not okay.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on September 7, 2008 at 11:59 am

Lawrence Wilkerson, former chief of staff to Colin Powell, explained the implications of these revelations:

Haynes, Feith, Yoo, Bybee, Gonzalez and — at the apex — Addington, should never travel outside the US, except perhaps to Saudi Arabia and Israel. They broke the law; they violated their professional ethical code. In future, some government may build the case necessary to prosecute them in a foreign court, or in an international court.

...the interrogation records of al Qaeda suspect Mohammed al-Qahtani — the subject of the 2002 meeting at Guantanamo with Gonzales, Addington, and Haynes — were “mysteriously lost.” Cameras that “run 24 hours a day at the prison were set to automatically record over their contents, the US military admitted in court papers.”


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on September 7, 2008 at 12:11 pm

Unspeakable Acts, Ordinary People

if the broader society sanctions what you are doing or looks the other way. The torturer feels absolved of responsibility- he carries out the wishes of his fellow citizens and the citizens, of course, feel equally blameless. Among Milgram’s variations on his basic experiment was a version with two teachers, one reading the questions, the other (a secret confederate of the experimenters) flipping the switches.
In the two-teacher variation, 92 per cent of the volunteers carried out their duties even as their peer applied the most extreme shock on the instrument panel. Though the learner begged and screamed, the obedient subjects felt little responsibility - after all, they weren’t flipping the switches.
Some no doubt wondered what kind of monster could inflict such pain.

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Excuse me, you were saying?


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realitybasedbob on September 7, 2008 at 12:38 pm

Your usual antiAmerican lying smear, Sparkie.
Shame on you.


"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

robert108 on September 7, 2008 at 12:51 pm

Anti-american? Torturing children is not American. You are the one smearing America by condoning this behavior.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on September 7, 2008 at 01:14 pm

Torturing children is not American. You are the one smearing America by condoning this behavior.

Lying about “torture” is the unAmerican smear, moron.  You lefties invent your own definitions for partisan and antiAmerican smear purposes.
Shame on you!


"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

robert108 on September 7, 2008 at 01:39 pm

r108
Pinochet reprise. Where will the first reprisal ‘rendition’ occur?


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on September 7, 2008 at 01:53 pm

Sparkie: This whole post is bullshit.  One of your leftie buddies hands you an envelope with some papers in it, just coincidentally filled with all the lying leftie antiAmerican talking points, including the buzzword “torture”, and you want us to swallow this because you say so.  In fact, you have no credibility on this blog, as far as I’m concerned.  You post mostly bullshit, you have a profane, namecalling hissyfit when anyone disagrees with you, and are just generally wrong about everything.
Your stuff just isn’t believable. I don’t respond to bullshit as if it were true.


"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

robert108 on September 7, 2008 at 02:31 pm

r108
All my buddy handed me was the affidavit by Omar.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on September 7, 2008 at 02:48 pm

All my buddy handed me was the affidavit by Omar.

A piece of paper isn’t an “affadavit” until it’s sworn into evidence.  Without that, it’s just the words of a terrorist trying to smear this country.  Right down your antiAmerican alley.


"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

robert108 on September 7, 2008 at 03:04 pm

No one condones torture, Arbuckle. But, more than that, no one here condones your blatantly provocative and misleading headline. We are all familiar with the lengths to which you will go to be the center of attention on SAB.

If we all used the “a-friend-handed-me-an-envelope” ploy, we could - like you - claim anything we wanted to.  Indeed, this highly suspect incident seems much like your absurd tendancy to link to yourself as proof of your veracity.


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The times, they are a-changin’...
Bob Dylan

pparets on September 7, 2008 at 03:28 pm

A piece of paper isn’t an “affadavit” until it’s sworn into evidence.

I know.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on September 7, 2008 at 03:31 pm

I believe pp, there are those amongst us here who condone torture.


Excuse me, you were saying?


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realitybasedbob on September 7, 2008 at 03:35 pm

A piece of paper isn’t an “affadavit” until it’s sworn into evidence.

My copy wasn’t as censored. And #12 was longer, with the second half blacked out.

For example, the third sentence of #7 (blacked out on the internet copy), right before “Due to my injuries this caused me great pain” in my copy, it reads “During the first three days, they would shakle my feet and my hands out to my sides with handcuffs when they did not like the answers I was giving to the questions.”

SOmeone has cleaned up the copy I linked above.

But there’s your “sworn evidence”.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on September 7, 2008 at 03:40 pm
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No one condones torture, Arbuckle. But, more than that, no one here condones your blatantly provocative and misleading headline.

McCain, having actually been tortured, has come out strongly against it.
But, that doesn’t stop Sparkie Bullshit O’Plenty from “wondering” “if McCain/Palin will continue the US’s kiddie torture”.

Your “wondering” is just a chickenshit way to cast aspersion on McCain’s good name. You ought to be ashamed of yourself, Sparkie, but you’re probably a liberal and have no shame.



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Proof on September 7, 2008 at 03:40 pm

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McCain voted for torture, as defined internationally, which the US consented to.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on September 7, 2008 at 03:47 pm

He was never tortured.
Just some frat boys blowing off some steam and besides the enhanced interrogation didn’t work.

He gave up some football guys names. Big deal.


Excuse me, you were saying?


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He was never tortured.

You really are worthless scum, eh boob?



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I wonder if Sparkie tortures small animals and beats his girl friend?



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Proof on September 7, 2008 at 04:05 pm

Poof
The soldiers involved, who have mostly been given dishonorable discharges, are falling over each other to tell the story so they don’t get locked up as the admins scapegoats.

You can wonder about me and my wife all you want, wierdo.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on September 7, 2008 at 04:13 pm

realitybasedbob on September 7, 2008 at 04:56 pm

He was never tortured.
Just some frat boys blowing off some steam and besides the enhanced interrogation didn’t work.

He gave up some football guys names. Big deal.

Sparkie, behold, your friend, your mother, your secret lover.


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Onslaught on September 7, 2008 at 04:18 pm

There is nothing libs like rbb will not say and lie about if they think it has a minuscule chance of swaying voters.  After his last post I’m through with that piece of excrement.


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HG on September 7, 2008 at 04:21 pm

Rbb is dead to me.


“Like a lot of my Democratic colleagues I was too slow to appreciate the recklessness of Fannie and Freddie. I defended their efforts to encourage affordable homeownership when in retrospect I should have heeded the concerns raised by their regulator in 2004. Frankly, I wish my Democratic colleagues would admit when it comes to Fannie and Freddie, we were wrong. By the way, I wish my Republican colleagues would admit that they missed the early warning signs, that Wall Street deregulation was overheating the securities market and promoting dangerously lax lending practices. When it comes to the debacle in our capital markets, there is much blame to go around for both sides.”
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The soldiers involved, who have mostly been given dishonorable discharges, are falling over each other to tell the story so they don’t get locked up as the admins scapegoats.

And from that you “wonder” if McCain would continue it? Do you even have a brain? Have you ever used it?



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Proof on September 7, 2008 at 04:25 pm

Onslaught
You like kiddie torture too?

No shit.

I guess its just a party line issue.


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Rbb is dead to me.

And above the neck, as well!



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Proof on September 7, 2008 at 04:26 pm

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McCain voted for it, asshat. I don’t wonder, I know.


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You like kiddie torture too?
I guess its just a party line issue.

No torture like what you’re doing to logic here, Sparkless!



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Proof on September 7, 2008 at 04:29 pm

Another thought…
I wonder how the government can appeal the decisions of its own, illegal tribunals? That’s so fucking ironic.

and pathetic.


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McCain voted for it, asshat. I don’t wonder, I know.

Kiddie torture? Yeah. Right! Please provide the link where McCain voted to torture children!  That’s what you were “wondering” if McCain would continue. Or did your ADD kick in that you forget whatever crap you spread from one hour to the next?

We all know who the asshat is around here! Nice anal necklace you’ve got there Spark!



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Proof on September 7, 2008 at 04:33 pm

Poof
How about your logic?

We can’t expect McCain to support a continuation of these activities (which we are all actually in favor of) even though he has voted for them in the past?

Bull-shyte.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on September 7, 2008 at 04:33 pm

Kiddie torture? Yeah. Right!

McCain supports the policies that led to this kiddie torture occurring. Whether he supports it explicitly, or keeps his hands clean through a layer or two of legal jargon… don’t make no difference to me.

Asshat.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on September 7, 2008 at 04:37 pm

Are you now or have you ever been a member of a ‘Kiddie torture cult’

Careful spark you’re in danger of becoming a… WHOA! dude, i just got a bad case of Deja vu all over again.


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Whether he supports it explicitly

LIKE THE BULLSHIT ARTIST WHO POSTED THIS LOAD OF MANURE IMPLIES… You are scum, Spark. Thanks for admitting it.



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don’t make no difference to me.

Same with logic, reason and common decency. Figures.



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Proof on September 7, 2008 at 04:46 pm

Poof’s gonna pee it’s panties!

Sorry I slandered John “Manchurian” “Maybe its Maybelene” McCain.

I repent. Don’t sic his pentecostal, take-it-back-to-before-the-Taliban-wants-to VEEP on me. Don’t go all Michael Reagan fascist on me now.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on September 7, 2008 at 04:50 pm

I wonder how the government can appeal the decisions of its own, illegal tribunals? That’s so fucking ironic.

and pathetic.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on September 7, 2008 at 04:52 pm

Poof
Did you read the affidavit?


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Look, Asswipele: I’ll try to explain this so that even a mental defective like you can understand it:
No one here condones torturing children. You, the mental defective, tried to imply that McCain condones it. You even said “I know he voted for it”. You tried to imply that anyone who supported McCain also condoned child torture. (What a retard you must be!)
Then, like some lying weasel scumbag, you said you couldn’t say whether he supports it explicitly.

Short version: You’re full of crap and your attempts to paint McCain as an advocate of child torture are nothing but lies and innuendo. Please take your one man circle jerk someplace where they appreciate mindless character assassination.

Your diarrhea of the mouth notwithstanding, yes, you did slander John McCain. The rest of your wet dream about Michael Reagan you might want to keep to yourself!



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Proof on September 7, 2008 at 04:59 pm

Poof
Oh no. I slandered McCain.

Elsewhere I have slandered Obama.

Wanna bitch me out for that too?


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on September 7, 2008 at 05:02 pm

I like how Sparkie pretends not to be partisan then acts and talks like a left wing partisan hack. 

Sparkie, you’re turning out to be a real pile.


“Like a lot of my Democratic colleagues I was too slow to appreciate the recklessness of Fannie and Freddie. I defended their efforts to encourage affordable homeownership when in retrospect I should have heeded the concerns raised by their regulator in 2004. Frankly, I wish my Democratic colleagues would admit when it comes to Fannie and Freddie, we were wrong. By the way, I wish my Republican colleagues would admit that they missed the early warning signs, that Wall Street deregulation was overheating the securities market and promoting dangerously lax lending practices. When it comes to the debacle in our capital markets, there is much blame to go around for both sides.”
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HG on September 7, 2008 at 05:09 pm
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Wanna bitch me out for that too?

Nah! Just ignore you for the troll that you are!



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Proof on September 7, 2008 at 05:10 pm

Proof:  This thread isn’t about torture, or US policy, or George Bush, or John McCain, or affidavits magically delivered to arbuckle, or anything else posted here…

This is abour sparkie remaining the center of attention as long as he can and by whatever means works.

Remember a while back when he posted a note DEMANDING that someone - ANYONE - look at a post he wrote… a post no one cared about? 

And, who else do you know on SAB who re-posts articles because he thinks they aren’t getting enough attention?

Is there anyone on SAB besides arbuckle who links to himself as proof of his claims?

It’s all about badly needed attention.


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pparets on September 7, 2008 at 05:14 pm
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This is about sparkie remaining the center of attention as long as he can and by whatever means works.

Sad but true! We must all remember not to feed the troll!



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Proof on September 7, 2008 at 05:16 pm
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God on trolls:

A fool has no delight in understanding, but in expressing his own heart.

Hat tip Frank J. IMAO



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Proof on September 7, 2008 at 06:12 pm

PP announces:

Oh, wait… not much chance of that since Vermont has a minority population of about .05%.

OK, I take it back.  You are racist PP.

I guess only in PP’s world, gang members and drug users are only minorities.  Fucking pathetic piece of shit.

. Vermont already has one of the highest Heroin rates in the country Heroin Treatment Admissions Increase: 1993-1999

If you look at gangs who are in rural areas you will notice that they aren’t the stereotypical black or hispanic gang members. Most if not all are white. Gangs aren’t going to hang out a flag and say “here I am”. They are going to lay low and off the radar until there is competition.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/vermont/196189-gang-activity-vermont-3.html


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Hannitized on September 7, 2008 at 10:31 pm

In a fit of obsessive narcissism, H now declares himself an expert on gang culture.  Keep lying, boy!


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robert108 on September 7, 2008 at 10:42 pm
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It looks like our resident libs are almost completely unraveled.  The desperation and increasing frenzy is enough to make liberals empathize with our enemies.  They’ll get no such cowardice here. It’s time to pour it on.

HG on September 7, 2008 at 11:04 pm

Hannitized makes a fair observation on my Vermont minority population comment, even though that wasn’t my intent.

Any reasonable person might have reached the conclusion that he made.


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pparets on September 8, 2008 at 02:47 am

pp
Where did this minority Vermont comment come from? Sure, there are bigtime heroin problems in Vermont. Its because all the minorities from the city come to Vermont to sell it to Vermonters. Sorry, its true.

What started as a reported road rage incident in Leicester Tuesday night escalated to a shooting, the death of a Rutland police dog, a carjacking in Mendon and a high-speed pursuit that ended with a crash on Route 4 just shy of the New York state line. It was a confused and confusing night for state and local police agencies who worked for an hour-and-a-half to find four suspects who were reported first driving a white Cadillac Escalade and then a Chevrolet Cavalier that they allegedly…


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on September 8, 2008 at 05:15 pm
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