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What a horribly flawed and false analogy.  For someone who claims to be a student of logic you’d think fallacies would be carefully avoided. 

Two big problems within this false analogy also betray logic.  First, you assume Bush lied.  Second, you ignore the context in which the term “unpatriotic” is used in two completely different nations and situations. 

Is that the best you got Sparkie?

HG
I quote directly from the WSJ article

the Kremlin has released misinformation to bolster its cause, establishing an official narrative that it is “unpatriotic” to question

the analogy is apt.

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Are you saying you’re actually unable to see the difference?

The only thing “apt” about your false analogy is that it is coming from you Sparkie.

Sparkie’s specialty here is false equivalences.  He has been getting busted for that for a long time now, and hasn’t yet learned to think clearly.

"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

So, 5000 tons of yellowcake was not shipped from Iraq to Canada earlier this year? Really?

As for Chechnya, the Russians crushed all infrastructure, and continue to sew dissension among the separate ethnic groups in the region. Or is that all the Chechens’, like those dirty, evil Georgians?

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Kitty
You propagandist. We all know that yellowcake is the THE yellowcake that Cheney had Feith lie about. Its the old stuff, ass.

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

THE yellowcake that Cheney had Feith lie about.

Oh wow, here we go.

Sparkie,

Please come prepared to discuss this tomorrow.

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

And where did that uranium come from? And after it had been tagged and sealed by inspectors where was it moved to? What was the nature of the facility at which it was found in 2004? Why was it not where the UN ordered that it remain after inspectors tagged it? Got any answers?

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Fellas.
What Iraq was doing 15 years before we went to war with them is wholly unrelated to the “immediate threat” that they purportedly posed. If they actually did go to Niger to get yellowcake, perhaps the fellas down at the Pentagram would have been best served by proving it and not fabricating false documents.

From Bat’s link (since when did you start linking Hitchins articles?)

For a start, someone produced a fake document, dated July 6, 2000, which purports to show Zahawie’s signature and diplomatic seal on an actual agreement for an Iraqi uranium transaction with Niger. Almost everything was wrong with this crude forgery—it had important dates scrambled, and it misstated the offices of Niger politicians. In consequence, IAEA Chairman Mohammed ElBaradei later reported to the U.N. Security Council that the papers alleging an Iraq-Niger uranium connection had been demonstrated to be fraudulent.

We now know where the lies were emanating from.

Dick Cheney, who was behind the forgery, hated and mistrusted the Agency and would not have used it for such a sensitive assignment.  Instead, he went to Doug Feith’s Office of Special Plans and asked them to do the job.  ....  Unlike the Agency, the Pentagon had no restrictions on it regarding the production of false information to mislead the public.  Indeed, one might argue that Doug Feith’s office specialized in such activity.

Feith himself now refuses to call what you all refer to as ‘intelligence’. No, now he calls it “intelligence criticism”.

But Feith, who headed the Pentagon policy office, disputes…

“The criticism that is being directed now at my former office is because my office was trying to prevent an intelligence failure.

“We had people in the Pentagon who thought that the CIA’s speculative assessments were not, were not of top quality, they were not raising all the questions they should raise and considering all the information they should consider.”

Did you catch that? Forged documents are intelligence criticism. Un huh. Also, these guys are real straight arrows. Feith had Israeli spies under him at the Pentagon.

And, Larry, first of all, who is Larry Franklin?

LARRY ABRAMSON reporting:

He’s a colonel is the Air Force Reserves and a career analyst with the Defense Department, who served in the Pentagon’s policy division as an expert specifically on Iran. He worked for Undersecretary Douglas Feith, who’s one of the neoconservative hard-liners who’s been pushing for a tougher stance toward Iran. And a while back the Pentagon confirmed that Larry Franklin met in 2001 with Manucher Ghorbanifar, an Iranian arms dealer. And you may recall that name from the Iran Contra scandal, where he was a big figure. The goal of that meeting may have been to back Iranian dissident groups in Iran.

BLOCK: And what’s he accused of doing in this case?

ABRAMSON: Well, this case involves charges in an FBI affidavit that was unsealed today. Franklin is accused of meeting with two men, who are not named, but we know them to be two former officials with AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, a very powerful lobbying group here in Washington. And over that lunch, in a restaurant outside of Washington, he verbally shared top-secret information with them. The information had something to do with threats to US forces in Iraq. It isn’t spelled out exactly.

Press reports have said that the threats may have had to do with Iranian-backed groups in Iraq that want to attack US forces and that some of that information was later passed on to Israel. But none of that is mentioned in the complaint against Larry Franklin. It just says that it was information about threats to US forces.

In addition, the FBI says that Franklin shared classified information with a reporter. And FBI agents also said they found 83 other classified documents at his home in West Virginia. Many of those were top secret. He had no permission to store those documents at home or to share the information with all those people I mentioned. And that’s why he’s facing a criminal charge today.

BLOCK: Larry, what would the goal of this alleged disclosure have been? Was it to benefit Israel in some way?

ABRAMSON: Well, there’s been a lot of speculation about that, and the indictment doesn’t really spell that out. But the reports about this information before the indictment said that it may have been destined to Israel, so that Israel would get an upper hand in its efforts to push a harder line by the US against Iran because Israel is very concerned about Iran’s nuclear programs. The indictment only says, however, that aside from sharing the information with the two AIPAC officials, that he disclosed information to an unnamed foreign official. So we don’t know whether the Israeli Embassy is involved in any way. The Israeli Embassy has denied any sort of involvement in any of this. And, in fact, it says it hasn’t spied on the US since the arrest and conviction of Jonathan Pollard in the mid-’80s.

But you fellas should keep up the bullshit parade. In the name of American politics… because we all now know that the truth matters fuckall to you guys. Whatever you can spin and shove down people’s throats before you call them wussies or unpatriotic will do.

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

So much for the independent State of South Ossetia.

“TSKHINVALI, Georgia — Officials in South Ossetia said Friday that Russia intends eventually to absorb the breakaway Georgian province.

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and the region’s leader, Eduard Kokoity, discussed South Ossetia’s future earlier this week in Moscow, South Ossetian parliamentary speaker Znaur Gassiyev said.

Russia will absorb South Ossetia “in several years” or earlier, a position that was “firmly stated by both leaders,” Gassiyev said.” Kind of shoots your whole contention that Russia is simply helping the people of Ossetia to gain their freedom from the evil Georgians right in the head.

Courtesy of AP,via Fox and newsday.

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And why not Chechnya? Ask your boy, Willie Jeff.

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