Say Anything Blog

Heh.

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

I wonder how these maps would differ from a similar display of the highest increases in housing prices over the preceding decade on a country by country basis?

“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Again, the blue areas are much magnified, and areas of blue and red are now nearly equal. However, there is in fact still more red than blue on this map, even after allowing for population sizes. Of course, we know that nationwide the percentages of voters voting for either candidate were almost identical, so what is going on here?

The answer seems to be that the amount of red on the map is skewed because there are a lot of counties in which only a slim majority voted Republican. One possible way to allow for this, suggested by Robert Vanderbei at Princeton University, is to use not just two colors on the map, red and blue, but instead to use red, blue, and shades of purple to indicate percentages of voters. Here is what the normal map looks like if you do this:

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

"blackwater"boob reinforces my point:

The bluer the county, the more likely it is to be in the higher quintiles of mortgage (and fiscal) delinquency.

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

“blackwater"boob reinforces my point:

He was on topic and thoughtful Rodney, show some love.

He was on topic and thoughtful Rodney, show some love.

And amazement!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

FlyOnTheWall,

On those two occaisions when a broken clock is coincidentally correct, it is still a broken clock, and “blackwater"boob is still “blackwater"boob.

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

I accept your acquiescence.

Is there an Aunt Spelling Bea in the house?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

"blackwater"boob,

Keep working on that reading comprehension deficiency of yours…

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Notice the green areas of South Carolina.  More honest people here who pay their debts on time and don’t take federal welfare in the form of 120% mortgages without any down payment.

Communism is evil

Boob’s map pretty much matches the delinquency one. 

Thanks Bob!

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Whistler,

Heh.  “blackwater"boob further reinforces the correlation between irresponsible borrowing and irrestponsible voting (i.e. voting for democRATs).

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Wow, you are brilliant.  You have just proven that in highly populated areas there have been more delinquencies than in sparsely populated areas. 

Lies, damn lies and statistics.

lestat,

We commend to you the same remedial reading courses we did for “blackwater"boob.  The graphic shows the “Basis Rate Change in Mortgage Borrowers 90 Days or More Delinquent.”

You could apply that reasoning to democRATic voters: i.e. it’s an abnormal psychology caused by overcrowding…

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

In highly populated areas the values of houses increased more.  While in sparsely populated areas the value of houses remained somewhat constant. 

Your graphic shows that in places where the value of property got out of control that there were more delinquencies.  It is not about political affiliation.

Your graphic doesn’t mean what you say it does.  You are using it to lie.

lestat,

That is a trait of fascists far and wide, lestat.  If you dislike a correlation, accuse the person drawing the correlation of lying or worse.  We’ll chalk that one up to the pathology of overcrowding as well.

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

That is a trait of fascists far and wide, lestat.

Maybe you are not a liar, maybe you are just simple. 

To claim that the mortgage crisis is based on ideology, and not the value of land is idiotic.

Lestat.  Mortgages were lent out at rates over 120% without any down payment.
The root cause is Jimmy Carter and his liberals.
The chickens have come home to roost.  The facts are that “banks” and lending institutions were politically pressured to lend money to “anyone and his brother” with no reasonable assurance that they could repay the loans.  My father who was VP at Banker’s Trust, NYC for over 20 years saw this coming in the mid 80s.
He left for Nashville, 3rd National.  It is personal responsibility, pure and simple.

Communism is evil

lestat,

My beef was with your misuse of Mr. Clemmens words.  Your practices here have been, and continue to be, congruent with fascist methodologies.

Why is it unreasonable to ascribe bad borrowing practices (borrowing more than they could repay either by inflating their reported income or depending on a short term flip which in turn was dependent on a continuation of the upward spiral in prices) to people who believe they can vote themselves largess from the public purse?

Furthermore, your assertion of spiraling prices as the cause would only work for the highly populated areas of CA, while EVERY county in the state is in the two worst quintiles of delinquincy basis change.  Real Estate prices in most of the sparsely populated counties of the state have been flat for decades.

No, the correlation stands.  You are merely practicing the progressive approach to facts: reject as false that which works against your agenda, embrace as true that which supports your agenda.

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Buying a home should be for the purpose of living in it, not speculating or gambling on a rise in selling price.

Communism is evil

Apparently RZ now hates American free trade and capitalism.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

"blackwater"boob spews:

Apparently RZ now hates American free trade and capitalism.

Nope.  He demonstrably believes the Real Estate Speculators should reap the full detriments of their recent speculations.  Bailing them out would decouple the risk and reward mechanisms, leading to a repeat of the crises.

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Buying a home should be for the purpose of living in it, not speculating or gambling on a rise in selling price.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

And buying a home on speculation is just another form of investment, and should be subject to no special protections or get out of bankruptcy free legislation.

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

In that way, it’s quite similar to the Dot.Com bubble bursting.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Oh, and “blackwater"boob should note that the real estate speculators had a lot to do with the run up in housing prices (which made it difficult for many families to buy homes).  The adjustment, if allowed to stand, will make housing more affordable for those actually looking to buy homes to live in.

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Socialists think that common folks should live in flats and only the elite should have their Dachas out away from the little people.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

RZ wrote:

Buying a home should be for the purpose of living in it, not speculating or gambling on a rise in selling price.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Nifty comeback Boob.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Thank you.

Do you think RZ meant what he wrote or did he simply tipped over again?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

tip

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Are these two maps of different independent sources? or are they off of the same source--in a court-like mindset, that is liable to partisan action.  If the two sources were independent, it would largely influence my reaction to affirm as genuine.

The correlation is sort of grey, but I don’t ultimately doubt the causation.

It’s also from 4 years ago.

Rodney Graves.  Correct.  Personal responsibility.  Free to choose.  Free to take the consequences, good or bad.  Otherwise, we are not free.

Communism is evil

dirl,

Seperate sources.  The 2004 election maps (generated rather after the fact) are from here.  The rate in mortgage delinquency map is from here via Marginalizing Morons and Michelle Malkin.

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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

This may well be much-ado-about-nothing.  The maps could just as well demonstrate that where there are more people, there are more mortgage defaults.

[Not unlike maps demonstrating that where there are more people, there are more vehicles.]

I can’t speak for Chief RZ, but I bought my home in 1993 and when I sell it sometime down the road, I hope to make a hefty profit.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

pparets.  I bought mine in 1977.  Paid in full 1997.  Started at about 7 1/2% during the Carter years.  Did well with his inflation as my salary increased.  I took out a 30 year loan, but obviously refinanced, doubled up around 1991 and paid it off early.  I just hope to break even.  Have enjoyed living in a good neighborhood all this time and had an excellent builder.  We designed and bought ourselves, no spec.

Communism is evil

Chief:  Wow!  Nice… and you deserve it!  If I remember correctly, you once posted that you live in SC?  Lovely state.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

Yes, one of the most “green” of all on attachment 3.  The best part is that the large neighborhood of about 10,000 now is virtually crime free because almost everyone has paid their dues themselves without government assistance.

Communism is evil

Oh. Nice RG!