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I can agree with you on the tax policy point, but as much as we here in ND like to kick around this outmigration thing the simple truth of the matter is that it is the natural side effect of technological advances in the ag industry.  Farming doesn’t employ as many people any more, and because of that people are moving elsewhere to find work.

We can gnash our teeth and demand solutions (cheaper tuition! kick out wal-mart!), but this really isn’t a solution that can be solved.

We’re coming out of outmigration now.  Population decline has slowed almost to a standstill, and unemployment is low.  If development continues in the oil fields the trend will reverse and our population will begin to grow again.

In the mean time we have to keep the politicians and people like you from spending our tax dollars on retarded economic development efforts (among other things) which have next to no impact anyway.

As far as tuition is concerned, if it’s so high go to college somewhere else.  If we really wanted tuition to be cheaper we’d quit subsidizing college education.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Our tuition is still cheaper than average (although not a bargain anymore).  Freep makes that sound like a negative.

Our per capita income is higher than Montana and only a couple hundred dollars lower than South Dakota.

But freep, if you think you are too good for North Dakota that’s fine by me.

We should be proud that our students that chose to leave the state do well.  I can’t see how you can find a way to bitch about that, but you do.

For the newcomer this is just freep’s regular attempt to claim that we should pay his school loans off for him.  That’s why he’s called Free-loader.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Whistler,

Thanks for briefing the crowd, of course, what I wrote:

Most of what is said is in regards to what handouts and incentives can be given to bribe young people to stay in the state, but these only treat the symptoms, they do not address the real problems which are three-fold.

There are arguments to be made for creating ways for graduates to earn discounts on their incurred student debt, but it probably won’t be enough to keep young people in the state without addressing these key issues first.

does jive with your statement.

Bribing me, or anyone else, to stay isn’t going to work if the best job I can find pays less than $10/hr.  We need to fix the problems that make it tough for businesses to come here and hire people AND PAY THEM ENOUGH so they can pay off their debt.

If we don’t want to do that, we should just shut down all the schools cause subsidizing other states’ workforce is just plain dumb.

Bribing me, or anyone else, to stay isn’t going to work if the best job I can find pays less than $10/hr.

What amazes me is how many college graduates expect to make more than $10/hour right out of college.

Listen, even with a degree, you still have to start at the bottom.  No amount of legislative maneuvering is going to guarantee you $75,000/year right out of college.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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In the first twelve months after I graduated from college, I made (gross) $25,000 (2001 dollars).  That’s about $12.50 an hour for a 40 hour work week.  However, I was a lieutenant in the Army, and I didn’t work even close to a 40 hour work week - minimum 60 hours.

If anyone has a business plan to pay all recent college grads $30.00 an hour, please, let me know what it is!  (not that it would be successful, or someone would be doing it now)

Oh yeah, cost of living has a lot to do with a lot.  I would think that $10 an hour in ND would blow the socks off of $20 an hour in Los Angeles.

I would think that $10 an hour in ND would blow the socks off of $20 an hour in Los Angeles.

It does, but don’t tell people like Freep that.  He doesn’t want to hear it.

For instance, according to one calculator, if you move from Minot (my hometown) to Minneapolis you have to make about $17,000 more a year to live in a comparable style.

I’ve told him over and over again that all jobs are good jobs, and that the best way to raise wages in an economy is to attract as many jobs to it as possible (regardless of the sort of jobs) so that employers are forced to compete over the labor force, but he just won’t believe me.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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All jobs are not good jobs. 

Dead end jobs are not good job, they are fine for the 16 year old but if the government wants to sell a person an education there better well be a use for it otherwise it is nothing more than indentured servatude to the government, and the credit card companies.

All jobs are not good jobs.

If the employee wants and needs the job, it’s a good job.  We don’t enslave people in our system, so every job is the choice of the employee.  Duh

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

What’s the ND population? 6-700,000? Some where in that neighborhood?

Around 640,000.

North Dakota is the only state with less people now than in 1920.

So the out-migration is a 90 year trend, so it is nothing new, but just because we’ve increased by a couple thousand in the last few years doesn’t mean we’ve turned the corner.

Frankly, my biggest problem is I do not like the way that we are recruiting new people to come here and not doing much to make the enviroment condusive for people who are from here to stay.

I am from a rural state. Population about 40,000 more than that. Out-migration of the twenty somethings is an issue, but they come back later. The argument that different tax or business restricting laws prevent a better environment for the people to stay is good. Where I am from they prefer restrictive laws and taxes and they rationalize it along the lines of they are preserving the last bits of desirability about the state… namely the natural beauty. One can’t build above 2500 feet unless they have tons of permits. You can hardly pound a post without getting a permit. Luckily there is some town autonomy. My town, for example, has very relaxed zoning laws and is one of the last places in the country where its legal to have an outhouse. Its pretty close to the ‘conservative seat’ of the state though - some areas have more progressive influence and the town meetings have alot less arguing and involvement… usually its just hippy/yuppies telling each other what to do.
We have a good state based student aid thing. Its nice because it makes the debt more manageable, but staying often does mean a compromise on money and lifestyle regardless.

freep’s just too lazy to work himself up.  He wants to start as CEO of a major ND corporation. 

He isn’t smart enough to realize that that isn’t the way it works.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Lefties think in terms of entitlement, not achievement.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

freep’s just too lazy to work himself up.

Huh?  Lazy?  Ha!  Right!  You are funny, do you do stand up as well?

He wants to start as CEO of a major ND corporation.

LoL.  What is “a major ND corporation”?

Lefties think in terms of entitlement, not achievement.

Must be calling me a leftie again.  Typical.

Must be calling me a leftie again.  Typical.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…
Typical denial of the obvious.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

Do you do anything but call people names?

It was a description of my impression of your thinking.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

freerepublicans.com how dare you!!!
The Whistler,robert108,Rob etc. etc. have made all the right choices in life. They paid off their tuition working at Mc Donalds, with no help from daddy, and whatever was left over they invested at the stock market where they hit it big. After college they went to work at another company (by choice) at less than $10.00 an hour, without medical benefits (because thy don’t want to saddle their employer with extra costs) and soon enough they were promoted to management positions because their employer noticed they were working without a lunch break, and were never absent with illness,tardy etc.etc. And of course whatever was left over from the $10.00 per hour they invested again in the stock market where again they made a killing. See how simple it is? Now quit bitching and go to work.

It was a description of my impression of your thinking.

I think the state is doing a diservice to its taxpayers and its student.  If that means I’m a lefty, fine, whatever.  I really don’t care.  But it is clear that after all these theads you have no interest in debating the issues, only debating about about me.

ANd that my friend is a characteristic of a lefty - the inability to discuss the issues.

They paid off their tuition working at Mc Donalds, with no help from daddy, and whatever was left over they invested at the stock market where they hit it big.

Yeah, well, that would take a couple hundred years.

See how simple it is? Now quit bitching and go to work.

I’m not bitching, I’m discussing policy matters.  WTF.

Goto work?  Seeing as my last job ended on election day, and there aren’t that many jobs out there other than fast food and Walmart and retail in general (which as not good jobs).

I have this belief that a person should always move forward, I’d like make a graduate should, and I’m not picky cause I didn’t get a specific degree.  I just think that if the economy is rocking like they say, I should be able to find a jobs to utilize my skills, education, and experience.

Is that so bad to not want to settle for a POS job?

If people are failing to create a company that can do all of those things that give college students good jobs, then start your own business and correct the all of the evils of those that have failed in this department.

“Hope is not a method.” - Common Military Saying

The above is a statement of pro activity.  If any Soldier were to tell me that he hoped what he was briefing was going to come to fruition, that would be unacceptable.  We in the Army do not have the luxury to ‘hope’ that things will end well.  Hope will get us killed.  Instead, we must plan and take action.  Hope is not a method.

As a leader I can never ‘hope’ that my Soldiers have the proper training.  I can never ‘hope’ that my Soldiers have the proper logistical supplies.  I can never ‘hope’ that my Soldiers will survive the next mission.  Hope is not a method; I live in the real world.

Free Republicans: I’m graduating with a Bachelor’s in May, and I wil have paid for my education entirely through the money I’ve made working at a gas station and a pizza shop. It’s hard--I’ve sacrificed a lot--but very possible. It did not take a hundred years.

Dave> How must in grants did you get?  Did you live at home and goto school? 

The numbers, not just my anecdotal evidence, show that your case is not the norm.  Good for you though. 

If people are failing to create a company that can do all of those things that give college students good jobs, then start your own business and correct the all of the evils of those that have failed in this department.

Paulie> I’m not talking about jobs for college students.  I’m talking about jobs for college graduates and the fact that there are very few out there.

Sorry, I mis-typed.

The statement still stands for college graduates.

“Hope is not a method.” - Common Military Saying

The above is a statement of pro activity.  If any Soldier were to tell me that he hoped what he was briefing was going to come to fruition, that would be unacceptable.  We in the Army do not have the luxury to ‘hope’ that things will end well.  Hope will get us killed.  Instead, we must plan and take action.  Hope is not a method.

As a leader I can never ‘hope’ that my Soldiers have the proper training.  I can never ‘hope’ that my Soldiers have the proper logistical supplies.  I can never ‘hope’ that my Soldiers will survive the next mission.  Hope is not a method; I live in the real world.

How must in grants did you get?

Did you live at home and goto school? 

The numbers, not just my anecdotal evidence, show that your case is not the norm.

Why should we reward them?

Dave good for you.

Elinas I started out of college at $4 an hour.  I do a bit better than that now.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

LoL.  What is “a major ND corporation”?

Well, there was Great Plains Software which was so successful it ended up getting bought out by Microsoft.

And then there’s the Home of Economy stores which are owned by North Dakotans.  They’ve got a half a dozen or so stores throughout the state.  Not exactly small potatoes.

And then there’s the medical industry.  Altru is big and based out of Grand Forks.  Trinity health care is also big and based out of Minot.  Bismarck and St. Alexius and MedCenter One.  Fargo has Meritcare (I believe?).

And then there’s Tharaldson Enterprises based out of Fargo which ones hotels in like 33 states as well as communications and development subsidiaries.  That’s big business there.

Do I need to keep going, Free, or can we stow your derisive mocking of your own state as an off-hand comment from a kid who doesn’t get that he has to start at the bottom in this world and wants to blame everyone else because he doesn’t get that?

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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free: My description of you is based on several factors, including your ignorance of basic knowledge about market forces, and your unwillingness to take responsibility for the consequences of your own actions.  This is derived from your comments over the months I have been visiting this blog.
You take a job that is over, one way or the other, on Nov 4th, and yet don’t prepare for that.  You could have had a job lined up for when that job ended, but apparently you didn’t choose to do that.  Your bad.  You also seem to think that businesses exist to provide jobs, and that just isn’t true in our economic system.  The burden of being a valuable employee is on the individual, not society in general. You consistently don’t seem to understand this, which is why I call you a leftie.  Understand?
BTW, I don’t like lefties, for many reasons, but don’t consider it to be an epithet. It simply identifies those who think a certain way.  Sorry if you choose to get defensive and to have hurt feelings.  It’s not my job to take care of your emotional needs.  It’s not the job of any employer to do that, either.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

Do I need to keep going, Free, or can we stow your derisive mocking of your own state as an off-hand comment from a kid who doesn’t get that he has to start at the bottom in this world and wants to blame everyone else because he doesn’t get that?

Oh, I understand that I am starting at the bottom.

I’m just saying official state policy should not be to force others besides myself (this is a policy discussion) to start 20 feet under than do everything possible to push them out the door.

I’m sorry, but if we as a state can not create an economic climate that allows people who want to stay to be able to afford to take ajob here and pay their bills then the state should not offer subsidized education.

When I start paying taxes I don’t want that investment to walk accross state lines, I want it to stay here and pay taxes here as well.  What is so wrong with that?

When everyone with these educations leaves and all we have are retail and fast food, whose gonna pay the big bills?

You take a job that is over, one way or the other, on Nov 4th, and yet don’t prepare for that. 

How do you prepare for that?  Hmmm?  Sending out dozens of resumes starting in August - CHECK.  Saving what little I could so that I can survive for about 6 weeks without an income - CHECK.

Is it my fault that place just dont seem to be hiring right now for anything that I deem acceptable?  Am I so out of line to want to do something within the realm of what my education and experience allows me?  Is it so bad that I’m not all that interested in living is some big city somewhere else?  Is it so bad that I use my situation(s) as examples of what other people are going through?

Listen, most everyone I knew when I lived in Fargo has left the state, same goes for here in Bismarck, a few still in Dickinson but that wont be for long.

I don’t really care what the statistics say, (i.e. lies, damn lies, and statistics) I personally know twenty or so people who have left the state because their specific education isnt applicable here in ND.  Why is it so bad that I advocate policies that would make it easier for market forces to guide businesses in those arenas to the state?

All the denial in the world isn’t going to solve anything.  People complain about property taxes, you know why they are so high? Because old people who did not make enough to save for their retirement are now on the social services dole.  $1.7 billion of the $5 billion budget goes to social services.

Whose gonna pay that bill once a third of my generation has taken their subsidized education and might be back in 20 years?

This Republican Majority in this state has expanded the social services division so much it is disgusting.  Increasing that area doesnt help people, it just gets more on the dole.

If they want to be on the public dole, let them goto Florida. 

When Conservatives talk about productive and unproductive individuals they tip toe around the fact that the greatest number of unproductives have grey hair.  The idea that one generation will take care of the former is bad enough, but what happens when the next generation isn’t here?  Their taxes go up by no fault but the party in power.

Is it my fault that place just dont seem to be hiring right now for anything that I deem acceptable?

Dunno; it it their fault?

Am I so out of line to want to do something within the realm of what my education and experience allows me?

Apparently so.

Is it so bad that I’m not all that interested in living is some big city somewhere else?

It’s not bad at all; apparently, though, it’s unrealistic at this time.

Is it so bad that I use my situation(s) as examples of what other people are going through?

It’s not bad, just inaccurate.  You can only speak for yourself.  If it makes you feel better to think others are also in there with you, OK, but it may not be true.  You just don’t know.  Sounds like you are spending your energy being a victim instead of being successful.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

I’m just saying official state policy should not be to force others besides myself (this is a policy discussion) to start 20 feet under than do everything possible to push them out the door.

This statement alone reveals your leftie orientation.  Your employment difficulties don’t flow from anything having to do with “official state policy”.  You are in the labor market, which is a fairly free one(except for where it is distorted by unionism).  If you can’t get a job, that is your responsibility, not any centralized body.  Leftie thinking all the way.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

Leftie thinking all the way.

Great!

We already established that you say I’m a leftie. 

Quit repeating yourself.

There are huge opportunities in the agriculture service industy. 

Many of my friends that stayed around were able to get employed in the health care fields.

Plus North Dakota is starting to really attract large corporations. 

Grand Fork’s job market is booming because of L & M Glasfiber (big propellers), Cirus aviation (airplanes), and Amazon.com.

Of course the jobs they’re hiring today are entry level, $10-15 (I don’t know about Cirrus) but you gotta start somewhere.

Freeps the only one in the world that can’t get a job during a labor shortage.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

I personally know twenty or so people who have left the state because their specific education isnt applicable here in ND.

So it’s ND’s fault that it doesn’t have a lot of jobs in the fields your friends studied?

You majored in political science, didn’t you?  Did you really think you would find a job in that field in a state where the legislature only meets once every two years?

You have so much growing up to do…

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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You majored in political science, didn’t you?  Did you really think you would find a job in that field in a state where the legislature only meets once every two years?

No, I got out before I limited myself that badly.  A person’s major has zero to do with what they end up doing.  But it would be nice to find a job that a person could use their education.

So it’s ND’s fault that it doesn’t have a lot of jobs in the fields your friends studied?

No.  It’s the fault of the bad attitude and poor business enviroment.

There are huge opportunities in the agriculture service industy. 

Many of my friends that stayed around were able to get employed in the health care fields.

Plus North Dakota is starting to really attract large corporations. 

Grand Fork’s job market is booming because of L & M Glasfiber (big propellers), Cirus aviation (airplanes), and Amazon.com.

Of course the jobs they’re hiring today are entry level, $10-15 (I don’t know about Cirrus) but you gotta start somewhere.

Freeps the only one in the world that can’t get a job during a labor shortage.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

A person’s major has zero to do with what they end up doing.

I think that’s a silly thing to say, but it is partly true and it just proves my point.  Every kid gets pushed into college after high school.  The fact that so many of them end up in careers that have nothing to do with their majors proves how silly generalized college educations are, and why so many people like you are disappointed when you graduate and your degree doesn’t merit you $50,000/year right away.

We’d be much better off if we encouraged kids to get into the job market right away and then get the training they need to advance along the way.  Unless they’ve got their eye on a job like “doctor” or something.  Then, obviously, school is necessary right away.

But for someone like you who just got a generalized education?  You just wasted a lot of money at a time when you could have been making money.

North Dakota could be more business-friendly, there’s no doubt about that, but you’ve got to get over this stupid fixation on fast-food and Wal-Mart jobs.  There are nothing wrong with those job.  They serve a purpose in our economy, and there are certainly a lot of other jobs besides those out there.

Have you looked in the oil industry?  You’re out west there.  They’re paying big bucks right now.  You could be making that instead of whining about Wal-Mart jobs here on the internet.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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A person’s major has zero to do with what they end up doing. 

For the most part wrong.  If you wannted to stay in a small state you should have educated yourself for a job you are likely to find here.

I realize that this is not unusual for skulls full of mush but I think you should quit trying to 1.  blame the rest of us, and 2.  Expect us to conform to your ideas.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

There are huge opportunities in the agriculture service industy.

Know nothing about farming.  Try again.

Many of my friends that stayed around were able to get employed in the health care fields.

Yes, at least half the job openings on jobsnd are nursing postions cause this state is old.

Grand Fork’s job market is booming because of L & M Glasfiber (big propellers), Cirus aviation (airplanes), and Amazon.com.

3 companies = boom?

Of course the jobs they’re hiring today are entry level, $10-15 (I don’t know about Cirrus) but you gotta start somewhere.

I’ll look.

Freeps the only one in the world that can’t get a job during a labor shortage.

Wheres the shortage?  On the line?  Been there, done that, don’t want to go back.

There’s a whole 90 openings in Bismarck that require and pay for a degree.  Sounds like a job shortage to me.

There’s a whole 90 openings in Bismarck that require and pay for a degree. 

I guess you should have prepared for a North Dakota job.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

If you wannted to stay in a small state you should have educated yourself for a job you are likely to find here.

When I was in school I wanted out of the state just like everyone else.

The grass isn’t greener on the other side, just a different shade of brown.

I realize that this is not unusual for skulls full of mush but I think you should quit trying to 1.  blame the rest of us, and 2.  Expect us to conform to your ideas.

1.  Not blaming you or anyone else, you just ALWAYS make these theads about me and I dont effin know why it’s so stupid and childish how you do it.

2.  Conform to what ideas?  I wrote an entry and you attack me personally, wtf is that about?

The fact that so many of them end up in careers that have nothing to do with their majors proves how silly generalized college educations are, and why so many people like you are disappointed when you graduate and your degree doesn’t merit you $50,000/year right away.

I’d be happy with $25k at this point, hardly pay the debt but I’d get by ok.  Of course you guys think thats at the effin top. 

We’d be much better off if we encouraged kids to get into the job market right away and then get the training they need to advance along the way.

Agreed.  I could have done the political stuff straight out of high school if I would have been focused.

But for someone like you who just got a generalized education?  You just wasted a lot of money at a time when you could have been making money.

No one told me it was a waste.  Yeah, some days I wish I would have gone the AutoTech route so that I would have a steady income and with the shortage of mechanics out there I probably wouldnt have had this problem.

But I fell for the scam that the state was running - hook line and sinker.

North Dakota could be more business-friendly, there’s no doubt about that, but you’ve got to get over this stupid fixation on fast-food and Wal-Mart jobs.  There are nothing wrong with those job.

There is if you have a piece of paper that says you owe $35k.  $7/hr doesnt pay that.

Have you looked in the oil industry?  You’re out west there.  They’re paying big bucks right now.

They aren’t hiring people without oil industry experience.  I looked into it, a buddy told me to look into mudlogging, cant get into it without 2 years experience and they arent hiring newbies in ND - gotta goto Texas for that.

There’s a whole 90 openings in Bismarck that require and pay for a degree.  Sounds like a job shortage to me.

Job shortage my ass.  North Dakota companies are holding job fairs in other states to try and attract people back because they can’t find workers.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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free: Making excuses for failure is not the path to success.  If you used the energy you use to justify your present situation to make progress, you might just get somewhere, but you seem more interested in justifying your lack of success, and so you get what you support.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

Job shortage my ass.  North Dakota companies are holding job fairs in other states to try and attract people back because they can’t find workers.

So I have to leave the state just to find a job here?  Classic!

Making excuses for failure is not the path to success.

Excuses?  Excuses for what?  WTF are you talking about?  Explaining ‘how it is’ is not an excuse.  I take full responsibility for not knowing what I wanted to do when I was younger and falling for the conventional wisdom that the only path to success is a 4-year degree - I fell for all that was hammered into my head, that may be a failure of the education system, but like everything in this world that too can be blamed on the baby boomer generation - wow have they screwed up the world.

So I have to leave the state just to find a job here?  Classic!

No, there are plenty of jobs available in the state.  We don’t know why you can’t find one.

By the way, first you say this:

I take full responsibility for not knowing what I wanted to do when I was younger

Then you say this:

that may be a failure of the education system

And this:

but like everything in this world that too can be blamed on the baby boomer generation - wow have they screwed up the world.

So you take full responsibility, but really your job situation is the fault of the education system and the entire baby boomer generation.

You take responsibility like a politician takes responsibility.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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All excuses all the time.  When you rationalize, you excuse.  When you justify, you excuse, and when you blame others, you excuse.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

You take responsibility like a politician takes responsibility.

Haha.  Good one.  I’ll have remember that one.

So you take full responsibility, but really your job situation is the fault of the education system and the entire baby boomer generation.

So it’s ok for the greater conservative movement to bash the education system? Funny.

So it’s ok for the greater conservative movement to bash the education system? Funny.

What is the “greater conservative movement”?
Conservatives are not collectivists, and so don’t do “movements”, but that isn’t the real flaw in your argument.  Bashing the educational system is due to it’s miserable performance for the money we have confiscated from us.  Conservatives don’t blame the eductional system for their failures, like you are blaming others for your problems.  It’s an incorrect comparison.  You still continue to deny responsibility for your own actions and choices.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

What is the “greater conservative movement”?
Conservatives are not collectivists, and so don’t do “movements”, but that isn’t the real flaw in your argument.

Huh? 

There sure as the day is long is a Conservative Movement.  Hell, your part of it whether you know it or now. 

What is a Revolution if not a movement?

No matter how many like-minded individuals exist, that doesn’t make it a “movement”.  We are a large number of like-minded individuals, who favor individual independence, for one thing, which is the opposite of a “movement”.  We don’t do mass demonstrations or protests, for instance.
Of course, this semantic nitpicking is really no substitute for you having a cogent argument, which you don’t.
Just because the leftie MSM talks about a “conservative movement” or a “conservative revolution” doesn’t mean it’s true.  As lefties, that’s just the way they think.  They are collectivists.  When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

We don’t do mass demonstrations or protests, for instance.

Sure we do.  I’ve been involved is a few Protest Warrior operations and yeah, those are pretty massive.

Just because the leftie MSM talks about a “conservative movement” or a “conservative revolution” doesn’t mean it’s true.

I don’t think that the Leadership Institute is part of the leftist media.  The Reagan Revolution is not some leftist catch phrase. 

Don’t act like there isn’t an organized effort, cause there very much is.

The Reagan Revolution is not some leftist catch phrase.

You continue to distract from the real point here, which is that you are rationalizing your own problems by blaming others, and conservatives don’t do that.

The whole construct of the “Reagan Revolution” is an MSM construct.  What conservatives have done is to renew the promise of the original American Revolution, not start another one.  We are against the unAmerican left, not the founding principles of our country.  We want America to remain America, not become europeanized.  BTW, I don’t recognize you as any sort of conservative, so watch the “we”.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

The whole construct of the “Reagan Revolution” is an MSM construct.

That’s completely laughable.  Even if it were true, we grabbed onto it with both hands.  I guess if you don’t understand there is a grassroots movement then your on your own.

Do some reseach, start with my former employer LI.

Robert108:

We don’t do mass demonstrations or protests, for instance.

Tell me why these organizations exist.

Oh, and what were the serious people doing in these pictures if not protesting? Thanks for clearing up any misunderstanding!

free: So, you’re still distracting from the real flaw in your argument that “the conservative movement"(your fantasy) blames the educational system for their problems, like you blame everyone but yourself for your problems. 
If you had spent the energy attending to your own deficiencies that you have spent pointlessly arguing about this, you might have improved your lot, but you didn’t do that, did you?  This is why you are a failure in life; it isn’t anyone’s fault but your own.  You don’t use your energy wisely.  Cwazy Wabbit!

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

So, you’re still distracting from the real flaw in your argument that “the conservative movement"(your fantasy) blames the educational system for their problems, like you blame everyone but yourself for your problems.

I don’t blame anyONE, I blame the system.  What’s wrong with that, if the system is so bad as most conservatives say, what’s wrong with blaming it.

This is why you are a failure in life; it isn’t anyone’s fault but your own.

I’m a failure in life?  Excuse my french but who the fuck are you to say that?  Your person attacks just make you look like a loser.

free: You justify your lack of success by blaming it on something other than yourself.  If you ever want to move out of your present situation, you must take responsibility for the consequences of your own choices in life.  By your own words on this blog, you are presently a failure.  I’m simply taking your word for it.  You whine and complain, and blame “the system” for your problems, none of which will change anything for you.  In fact, your attitude and behavior is what has gotten you to where you are now; if you like it, keep doing the same thing.  If you don’t like where you are right now, then you will have to change something.  It’s not rocket science.

Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

This is why you are a failure in life; it isn’t anyone’s fault but your own.

Was that written by Robert “Brutally Honest” 108? 

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Was that written by Robert “Brutally Honest” 108?

Robert’s mother/nanny never taught him to not say anything at all if he didn’t have something nice to say. 

Either that or he was dropped on his head. (Both?)

I can play the personal attack game too.