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Wednesday, April 02, 2008

The ‘Recession’ Is a Media Myth

By John R. Lott, Jr.

John Lott is the author of Freedomnomics and a senior research scientist at the University of Maryland.
During the 2000 election, with Bill Clinton as president, the economy was viewed through rose-colored glasses. According to polls, voters didn’t realize that the country was in a recession. Although the economy started shrinking in July 2000, most Americans through the entire year thought that the economy was fine.

But over the last half-year, the media and politicians have said we were in a recession even while the economy was still growing.

Gas prices are going up. The economy is slowing. Talk of recession is seemingly everywhere. While the majority of people rate their personal finances positively, consumer confidence in the economy has plunged to a 16-year low, well below what it was during the last year of the Clinton administration when we were in a recession.

A Nexis search on news stories during the three-month period from July 2000 through September 2000 using the keywords “economy recession US” produces 1,388. By contrast, the same search over just the last month finds 3,166. Or, even more telling, take the three months from July through September last year, when the GDP was growing at a phenomenal 4.9 percent. The same type of Google search shows 2,475 news stories.

Over 78 percent more negative news stories discussed a recession when the economy under a Republican was soaring than occurred under a Democrat when the economy was shrinking.

A little perspective on the economy would be helpful. The average unemployment rate during President Clinton was 5.2 percent. The average under President George W. Bush is just slightly below 5.2. The current unemployment rate is4.8 percent, almost half a percentage point lower than these averages.

The average inflation rate under Clinton was 2.6 percent, under Bush it is 2.7 percent. Indeed, one has to go back to the Kennedy administration to find a lower average rate. True the inflation rate over the last year has gone up to 4 percent, but that is still lower than the average inflation rate under all the presidents from Nixon through Bush’s father.

Gas prices are indeed up 33 percent over the last year, but to get an average of 4 percent means that lots of other prices must have stayed the same or gone down. On other fronts, seasonally adjusted civilian employment is 650,000 people greater than it was a year ago. Personal income grew at a strong half of one percent in just February.

Despite all that, this last week, Barack Obama proclaimed “As most experts know, our economy is in a recession.” Hillary Clinton made similar staements last fall. Yet, as any economist knows, a recession is two consecutive quarters of negative growth, and we haven’t even had one single quarter of negative growth reported. The economy slowed down significantly during the end of last year, but that was after a sizzling annual GDP growth rate of 4.9 percent in the third quarter.

[...]

The news media have generated a lot of fear. Ben Stein has a point when he says “The actual economic conditions are not that bad. I think if we have a recession, if we have a serious recession, a great deal will lie at the media’s feet.” Hopefully a little perspective will enter the picture before even more harm is done.


Read the whole thing. It’s the propaganda, stupid.

Comments

Yes. And I am the Son of God.

watashiwa on April 2, 2008 at 08:54 am

Dude, I asked you for a mini bike in ‘68...what’s up...why didn’t ya get it for me?


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on April 2, 2008 at 09:01 am

Typical leftie responses to facts and figures that refute their lies.


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robert108 on April 2, 2008 at 09:10 am

Yes. And I am the Son of God.

My, my… aren’t we clever!  Insult both the Christians and those who actually know something about economics, all in the same sentence.  And as a bonus, the self-described “w” avoids having to demonstrate his own economic illiteracy.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on April 2, 2008 at 09:19 am

well below what it was during the last year of the Clinton administration when we were in a recession.

There you go again r-Gumby, defending and then spewing rightie hate filled lies.

When did the recession start?
Well, the NBER marked it March 2001.


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on April 2, 2008 at 09:31 am

w[h]atashi[t]wa[d] and “Blackwater"boob; SayAnythingBlog’s very own virtual shit throwing cyber monkeys.


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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

Rodney Graves on April 2, 2008 at 09:42 am

Bat One, what do you know about economics anyway? Apparently you guys just can’t handle the truth. Maybe that is why the federal government has a long history of keeping the truth from the public. Many documents are classified because disclosure of their contents would expose the rampant lies we have been told over the years. This would in turn result in a loss of confidence in our leaders and government. And we cannot have that. So, even though your instinct, and your brain, tells you one thing that is irrefutable, the government line is to deny, deny, deny. Believe me, the government has no respect for your intelligence.

watashiwa on April 2, 2008 at 10:32 am

w[h]atashi[t]wa[d] flings more shit.  How predictable.


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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

Rodney Graves on April 2, 2008 at 11:00 am

As far as I’m concerned I don’t like the higher gas prices, otherwise things are great.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on April 2, 2008 at 11:13 am

As far as I’m concerned I don’t like the higher gas prices…

Think about what it costs to add the ethanol.  Since ethanol can’t be pumped through a pipeline, it has to be trucked in and mixed on the spot.  That adds to the price of gasoline.


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robert108 on April 2, 2008 at 11:17 am

yah....$104 barrel oil has nothing to do with it.....it’s the damn dems that are to blame for high gas prices.


“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

Mark D on April 2, 2008 at 11:28 am

Part of the problem is that worldwide demand has moved up with worldwide affluence.  However if the lefties allowed us to develop our own resources supply would be higher.

Plus it’d help our trade imbalance.  Opening ANWR alone would improve our trade deficit by over $35 Billion.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on April 2, 2008 at 11:31 am

yah....$104 barrel oil has nothing to do with it.....it’s the damn dems that are to blame for high gas prices.

True, Mark; all this is the fault of the Dem Congress.  How perceptive of you!


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robert108 on April 2, 2008 at 11:40 am

Fox News: The ‘Recession’ Is a Media Myth

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke: …a recession is possible and policymakers are “fighting against the wind” in trying to steady a shaky economy. He would not say if further interest rate cuts are planned.

Bernanke’s testimony before the Joint Economic Committee of Congress was a more pessimistic assessment of the economy’s immediate prospects than a report he delivered earlier this year.

“It now appears likely that gross domestic product (GDP) will not grow much, if at all, over the first half of 2008 and could even contract slightly,” Bernanke told lawmakers. GDP measures the value of all goods and services produced within the United States and is the best barometer of the United States’ economic health. Under one rule, six straight months of declining GDP, would constitute a recession.


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on April 2, 2008 at 01:35 pm

Fox News: The ‘Recession’ Is a Media Myth

Another lie from the Master Baiter.  Here’s the truth:

By John R. Lott, Jr.

John Lott is the author of Freedomnomics and a senior research scientist at the University of Maryland.


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robert108 on April 2, 2008 at 01:47 pm

For a moment of clarity in thinking, a recession is defined as two consecutive quarters with negative real growth in GDP.

So far the economy is still growing, which puts to a lie RBBs source.

Only stupid people repeat obviously false tripe.

Carrick on April 2, 2008 at 02:07 pm

Once again C’s knee problem hits him in his face.

The source is the Fed Chairman, and he said possible.

So where is the lie, C?
Oh yeah, its where Lott Jr.  claims a recession started in Clintons’ administration.

Fox News
Fed Chairman
Fox News
Fed Chairman

Gee that’s a tough one

Fox News
Fed Chairman
Fox News
Fed Chairman


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on April 2, 2008 at 02:18 pm

The source is the Fed Chairman, and he said possible.

Duh, of course it’s possible, the economy is slowing down. 

Pretending it’s worse than it is despite the obvious evidence is stupid.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on April 2, 2008 at 02:23 pm

“I hope you’re confident about our economy. I am. We’ve got some short-term issues to deal with. Fourth quarter growth slowed to .6 percent. In other words, there are signs that our economy are slowing.”

bush

Jan. 30 at the Robinson Helicopter Co. in Torrance, Calif.


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on April 2, 2008 at 02:27 pm

"Blackwater"boob continues in his reality challenged ways…

Recession is defined as two consecutive quarters (that’s six months, boob) of negative (as in less than 0, boob) real growth in GDP.  So, unless the 4th Quarter GDP is recalculated down (to a value of less than 0% growth, vice the 0.8% growth observed) we cannot be in a recession now.  At worst we could be in our first quarter of negative GDP growth, which would still not be a recession until we finished the 2nd Quarter of 2008 with negative growth.


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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

Rodney Graves on April 2, 2008 at 02:43 pm

If your point is to say that I believe we are in a recession, Trekkie Rod, please link to anywhere I have written that.

OOOh a swing and a miss and that’s all for Trekkie Rod.

Do you have any pictures of outer space people with pointy ears?


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on April 2, 2008 at 02:53 pm

"Blackwater"boob continues to demonstrate his reality challenges by contesting the title of the thread (The “Recession” is a media myth) is false without asserting that we are indeed in a recession.  Talk much out of both sides of your neck there, boob?


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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

Rodney Graves on April 2, 2008 at 03:00 pm

Rodney....

Recession is defined as two consecutive quarters (that’s six months, boob) of negative (as in less than 0, boob) real growth in GDP.  So, unless the 4th Quarter GDP is recalculated down (to a value of less than 0% growth

When was the last recession?


“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

Mark D on April 2, 2008 at 03:03 pm

The economy only grew .6% in the 4th quarter 2007.  On the other hand it grew at 3.6% in the third quarter.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on April 2, 2008 at 03:55 pm

Mark D,

Short answer (When was the last recession?), 4th Quarter 1990 through First Quarter, 1991.

Whistler,

Actually, Fourth Quarter 2007 was revised up to 4.9% growth.

Here are all the quarters since the second quarter of 1947 with negative GDP growth:

1947-II -0.5
1947-III -0.2 Recession, Truman

1949-I -5.8
1949-II -1.2 Recession, Truman

1949-IV -4.0

1953-III -2.4
1953-IV -6.2
1954-I -2.0 Recession, Eisenhower

1956-I -1.9

1956-III -0.5

1957-II -1.0

1957-IV -4.2
1958-I -10.4 Recesion, Eisenhower

1959-III -0.3

1960-II -2.0

1960-IV -5.1

1969-IV -1.9
1970-I -0.7 Recession, Nixon

1970-IV -4.2

1971-IV -1.1

1973-III -2.3

1974-I -3.4

1974-III -3.8
1974-IV -1.6
1975-I -4.7 Recession, Ford

1980-II -7.8
1980-III -0.7 Recession, Carter

1981-IV -4.9
1982-I -6.4 Recession, Reagan

1982-III

1990-IV -3.0
1991-I -2.0 Recession, G. H. W. Bush

2000-III -0.5

2001-I -0.5

2001-III -1.4


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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

Rodney Graves on April 2, 2008 at 04:07 pm

Rodney I think you meant 3rd quarter 2007 GDP.  I wonder how much they’ll increase the 4th quarter.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on April 2, 2008 at 04:30 pm

If your point is to say that I believe we are in a recession, Trekkie Rod, please link to anywhere I have written that.

Right here at April 2, 2008 at 1:35 PM:

Fox News: The ‘Recession’ Is a Media Myth

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke: …a recession is possible and policymakers are “fighting against the wind” in trying to steady a shaky economy. He would not say if further interest rate cuts are planned.

You countered the assertion that the “Recession is a Myth” with a quote saying that recession is possible. You were clearly trying to say that Robert was wrong, and the fact that you accused him of being a liar helps. You made the inference...and then when called on it, you tried to weasle out by pointing out you never said it that exact way.


Obama/Biden is not change. It’s more of the same.

Kenny on April 2, 2008 at 04:53 pm

Thanks Rodney.

So out of the last 7 recessions, all but 1 occurred during republican leadership. Interesting.
Or is it just a myth.......


“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

Mark D on April 2, 2008 at 05:11 pm

Or is it just a myth.......

This one is, and if you weren’t stuck on stupid, you would know it.


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robert108 on April 2, 2008 at 05:19 pm

Rodney: It’s also “possible” that Mark might learn something about economics someday, but not today.

Mark: It’s interesting that you use the weasel word “leadership”, since all those recessions occurred with a Dem House.  The House originates all the spending bills, according to that Constitution thingie.


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robert108 on April 2, 2008 at 05:22 pm

Does a leader sign the bills into law?

Or does that thingie give that power to activist judges?


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on April 2, 2008 at 05:26 pm

Does a leader sign the bills into law?

Or does that thingie give that power to activist judges?

Congress is the spender, Master Baiter; if you knew anything about US govt, you would know that.  Don’t stay stuck on stupid.


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robert108 on April 2, 2008 at 05:33 pm

MarkD:

So out of the last 7 recessions, all but 1 occurred during republican leadership. Interesting. Or is it just a myth.......

Well, unless you think there is something magical about just having a Republican leader, then the way to measure it is the year elected +1.  For example, Bush was elected in 2000, took office in 2001, but his policies didn’t start taking effect until 2002.

In his case, the official start of the recession was 2001 (the actual downturn started in 2000 though), which puts that recession clearly in the hands of Clinton.

Not that I blame Clinton personally for what is probably a natural and probably overdue correction.

Carrick on April 2, 2008 at 08:37 pm

Not that I blame Clinton personally for what is probably a natural and probably overdue correction.

He did institute the highest peacetime tax increase in US history, which probably didn’t help things all that much.(understatement)


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robert108 on April 2, 2008 at 08:46 pm

Still it’s hard to get too pissy at the guy.  We went almost 10 years without a recession.  That’s pretty remarkable.

Carrick on April 2, 2008 at 09:28 pm

Carrick: Recessions don’t happen overnight; they have deep roots.  This down cycle we have now has been exacerbated by some long term bad decisions, just like the tax hike of ‘93 took some time to bear fruit.  Generally, the cause is excessive govt spending.  The Bush tax rate cuts have delayed the bad effects of the usual excessive govt spending(mostly the entitlements), but eventually it has to harm the ability of the market to keep producing at the highest level.
With Clinton, it was high tax rates plus excessive social spending.  Without the Republican Congress to keep his spending ambitions in check, the Clinton recession would have happened sooner.


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robert108 on April 2, 2008 at 10:36 pm

Not to mention that the MSM was cheerleading for him all the way; just the opposite of what they have been doing for President Bush.


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robert108 on April 2, 2008 at 10:37 pm

Without the Republican Congress to keep his spending ambitions in check, the Clinton recession would have happened sooner.

There were some remarkable advancements in the technology field during the same time that also boosted the “Clinton” economy. 

But yeah, blaming the guy in the Whitehouse for a recession is generally pretty stupid unless you can point to what they actually did to harm the economy.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on April 3, 2008 at 05:21 am

Whistler,

Yes, good catch, 3rd Quarter was revised up to 4.9 while there were no changes to the 4th quarter results.

Mark D.,

Of the 9 recessions covered by the data, 3 were during Democratic Administrations, 6 during Republican, but given the 18 to 24 month lag from policy implementation to full economic effect, the 1981-IV to 1982-I recession is more accurately attributed to Dhimmi, thus bringing the toll to 4 and 5.

QED


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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

Rodney Graves on April 3, 2008 at 07:39 am

The jobless claims are also a media myth.

Jobless claims jump to highest since 2005

Plenty of jobs out there, you just need to know where to look.

The New Job Market


“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

Mark D on April 3, 2008 at 07:42 am

Rodney: All those Republican Presidents were saddled with a Spendocrat House.

Mark: If you had any integrity, you would report the actual unemployment rate.  You only tell half the story, as usual; the one that reinforces your partisan view.  Typical propagandist.


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robert108 on April 3, 2008 at 07:51 am

Ben and the “R” word.

For the recession that began in July 1990:

“In the very near term there’s little evidence that I can see to suggest the economy is tilting over [into recession].”
Chairman Greenspan, July 1990

“...those who argue that we are already in a recession I think are reasonably certain to be wrong.”
Greenspan, August 1990

“… the economy has not yet slipped into recession.”
Greenspan, October 1990

Thanks to Calculated Risk


“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

Mark D on April 3, 2008 at 07:59 am

r108
I will report the unemployment rate tomorrow at 8:30am


“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

Mark D on April 3, 2008 at 08:01 am

make that 8:34......I can’t type.


“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

Mark D on April 3, 2008 at 08:02 am

Mark: What’s the point of those Greenspan quotes from 18 years ago?  Is it that economic predictions are generally wrong?  Reread the title of this thread; the predictions from you and your partisan buddies in the MSM are wrong.  Get it?


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robert108 on April 3, 2008 at 08:10 am

Mark D,

Any particular reason you are shifting the goal posts?


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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

Rodney Graves on April 3, 2008 at 08:12 am

the predictions from you and your partisan buddies in the MSM are wrong.  Get it?

Right......just like Greenspan.


“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

Mark D on April 3, 2008 at 08:17 am

...but given the 18 to 24 month lag from policy implementation to full economic effect…

Interesting thought to track forward from today.


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on April 3, 2008 at 08:19 am

Any particular reason you are shifting the goal posts?

Like all leftie propaganda salesmen, he’s just trying as hard as he can to sell his product.


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robert108 on April 3, 2008 at 08:26 am

Interesting thought to track forward from today.

Wrong again.  You should track the implementation of the Bush tax rate cuts forward from when they were implemented, and you get the opposite of recession: prosperity.


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Obama: more experienced than Bristol Palin

robert108 on April 3, 2008 at 08:28 am

Wrong again.  You should track the implementation of the Bush tax rate cuts forward from when they were implemented, and you get the opposite of recession: prosperity.

pocketa-pocketa-queep-pocketa-queep


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on April 3, 2008 at 08:30 am

Right......just like Greenspan.

He was wrong then, and you and your partisan buddies in the MSM are wrong now.  Congratulations on your new-found ability to do simple logic, Mark!


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robert108 on April 3, 2008 at 08:30 am

“First of all, in a free market, there’s going to be good times and bad times. That’s how markets work. There will be ups and downs. And after 52 consecutive months of job growth, which is a record, our economy obviously is going through a tough time.”

bush

March 14 in a speech to the Economic Club of New York.

Damn MSM always reporting what the preznit says.


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on April 3, 2008 at 08:35 am

There you go again, Master Baiter, cherry-picking and lying again.  He didn’t say we were in, or going to be in, a recession.  I don’t think your propaganda is selling, boy.

Lefties lie; it’s all they have.


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robert108 on April 3, 2008 at 08:40 am

Right......just like Greenspan.

Greenspan?  You’d cite Alan Greenspan???  The former Chairman of the Federal Reserve has managed to predict 9 of the past 2 recessions, and is, more than any other single individual responsible for today’s tenuous economic and credit situation having kept interest rates too low for too long during his tenure.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on April 3, 2008 at 08:43 am

r108

He was wrong then, and you and your partisan buddies in the MSM are wrong now

Idiot.
Greenspan was wrong, the MSM was right.
Kinda like now.......Ben is wrong, MSM is right.
Can you follow that.


“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

Mark D on April 3, 2008 at 08:52 am

Kinda like now.......Ben is wrong, MSM is right.

Nope.  No sale. If you weren’t so ignorant, I might even feel sorry for you, Master Baiter, but your profound ignorance is willful.


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robert108 on April 3, 2008 at 08:59 am

BatMan

more than any other single individual responsible for today’s tenuous economic and credit situation having kept interest rates too low for too long during his tenure.

You mean the economic boom we were in was a result of low interest rates allowing corporations and consumers to spend beyond their means which caused enormous amount of debt that now have no way of paying back?  I thought the boom was from......Oh Oh....r108 is gonna get a woody......from the tax cuts that are still in place. Why the contraction in spending from corporations and consumers? Too much debt from too much credit? Where’s all the revenue from the tax cuts?

OOOPs… I think I moved the goal posts again.


“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

Mark D on April 3, 2008 at 09:05 am

Gosh, Mark, in your simple mind, it’s all about either one thing or the other.  Let me ‘splain it to you: The tax rate cuts have compensated for the bad fiscal policies and the excessive govt spending, so we have had years of economic growth instead of the ups and downs of a govt-rigged market under the tax and spendocrats.  Understand?  I realize it isn’t your type of simplicity, but it’s the real world.
Just for the record, President Bush should have removed all the Clinton tax increase, and then started cutting rates after that, but even the small amount he did cut rates did a lot of good.
You should really take a beginning econ class.


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robert108 on April 3, 2008 at 09:11 am

pocketa-pocketa-queep-pocketa-queep

-Master Baiter

Maybe it’s going to take a brain transplant...from a conservative.


Media uncovers more Palin stories in one weekend than Obama stories in two years. Still no bias detected

Obama: more experienced than Bristol Palin

robert108 on April 3, 2008 at 09:33 am

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The numbers are in r-Gumby.


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on April 3, 2008 at 09:43 am

I just signed up for an econ class at Peter Pan University.....the professors remember you.

So why is the economy contracting? Why is Ben lowering the fed rate trying to boost the economy when all dubya would have to do is cut taxes? Why are they sending out a welfare check to stimulate the economy? Tax cuts are still in place.......the economy should be booming....economic growth, instead of contraction. What went wrong?


“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

Mark D on April 3, 2008 at 09:43 am

So why is the economy contracting? It’s not “contracting”; it’s growing at a slower rate then it has during the majority of the Bush administration. Why is Ben lowering the fed rate trying to boost the economy when all dubya would have to do is cut taxes? Beats me why people who call themselves “Republicans” act like Spendocrats. Why are they sending out a welfare check to stimulate the economy? See previous answer.

I think your choice of college is way over your head.


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Obama: more experienced than Bristol Palin

robert108 on April 3, 2008 at 09:51 am

Get with the r-Gumby program Mark:

You should track the implementation of the Bush tax rate cuts forward from when they were implemented, and you get the opposite of recession: prosperity.


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on April 3, 2008 at 09:53 am

So why is the economy contracting? It’s not “contracting”; it’s growing at a slower rate then it has during the majority of the Bush administration. It was big now it’s small but is has not contracted. Why is Ben lowering the fed rate trying to boost the economy when all dubya would have to do is cut taxes? Beats me why people who call themselves “Republicans” act like Spendocrats. I blame Raygun. Why are they sending out a welfare check to stimulate the economy? See previous answer. They are from the government and they are here to help…elect more nutters.


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on April 3, 2008 at 09:58 am

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April 3 (Bloomberg)—Home prices declined in 21 U.S. cities in January, led by Sacramento and Las Vegas, as banks sold foreclosed homes at bargain prices.

The price per square foot in Sacramento dropped 28 percent to $166 from a year earlier, according to a report released today by New York-based Radar Logic Inc., a real estate data company. Las Vegas fell 25 percent to $137 a square foot.

Oh I want my own room

Sacramento......don’t you live in Sacramento.....dang......square foot price has come down......looks like you may get your own room and can get out of the closet that your momma stuck you in. Ask for one with a window so you can get some fresh air.


“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

Mark D on April 3, 2008 at 10:09 am

It was big now it’s small but is has not contracted.

It’s still growing, so it’s bigger.  Duh.  Do you even understand simple English, Master Baiter?  Do you know what it means when something is “growing”?

It’s not my fault that there are stupid Republicans who act like Spendocrats.  The wrong thing is the wrong thing, no matter who does it.  The govt can’t stimulate the economy.  Take off your partisan blinders and start pulling for what’s good for the country, if you can.


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robert108 on April 3, 2008 at 10:10 am

Mark: When housing prices decline, it’s time to buy.  You really need that beginning econ class, boy.


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robert108 on April 3, 2008 at 10:21 am

Master Baiter: This should be easy, even for you: get the date of the implementation of the Bush tax rate cuts, then count forward 18 to 24 months, and see how the economy responded.  C’mon, I know you can do it.  Just count on your fingers.


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Obama: more experienced than Bristol Palin

robert108 on April 3, 2008 at 10:23 am

You mean the economic boom we were in was a result of low interest rates allowing corporations and consumers to spend beyond their means which caused enormous amount of debt that now have no way of paying back?

Mark,

If I ever feel the need to have someone explain or interpret my remarks, it will most certainly be someone with at least a modest understanding of the subject matter.  That leaves you out, as nothing you’ve written here has any validity.  As an economics pundit, you’d make a swell proctologist.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on April 3, 2008 at 10:25 am

Take off your partisan blinders and start pulling for what’s good for the country, if you can.

Ya....cut taxes and bomb Iran....I mean Iraq.....uhm Afghanistan.....ah forget it...bomb them all. who cares how much it costs.


“We have a dollar that’s adjusting and I am for a strong dollar.....
Our dollar doesn’t buy as many barrels of oil as it used to and so therefore it’s more expensive for the American people”..... Bush 3/12/08

Mark D on April 3, 2008 at 10:26 am

BatMan
Stop using th