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The far left women of America, those ones who erroneously identify themselves as “feminists”, want America’s girls to be whores.

The whores are the churchgoers.

The Eucharist of this feminist church is abortion.

This is known as “pro-choice” “liberalism”.

Feminism started out in a strong, masculine direction in many ways. It has never tried to elevate women as women, it has strived to make women into men, albeit absent a penis. They wanted them to not only compete with men in every sphere of society, they wanted them to drinks as hard, curse even worse, be sexualy promiscuous and dominant over men. It was a cheap lie from the beginning!

The proof is they do not glory in women as mothers and homemakers, they only accept women has having value if they work outside the home and compete with men. They do not rejoice in a woman gaining high political office like a Rice or Palin, unless they buy into the entire feminist agenda. So, it is not women they promote, but liberal, hard drinking, foul cursing, slut/whore liberal faux-males.

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

What about all those diseases associated with virginity?

Like…um….well…uh….I mean you know.

Grrrrrrrrrr

Whores? Lik?

For truth is named after the daughter of time, not of authority.

-Francis Bacon

spreading your shit like you’re Samantha on Sex and the City is not healthy and it’s not something you should be telling teenage girls they should be emulating

the author offers this as a role model? i doubt it. sounds like an exaggeration to me.

one feminist = all feminists?

For truth is named after the daughter of time, not of authority.

-Francis Bacon

One would think that, before ranting and making a fool of oneself, one would

a) read the text one is criticizing

b) not use strawmen so extreme that you appear to be a parody of your own position

and

c) do some research into the movement you are criticizing.

In short, dear, this rant makes you look uneducated, uninformed, and unhinged.

One particular point: the sexualization of women is actually something against which feminists fight.  It tends to be the more conservative elements in society who support it and use it to generate revenue.

Um, is there a reason that to not be a virgin automatically means you’re a whore? Is there a reason that the notion of sex as something that’s dirty and morally reprehensible ought not be combatted? Given that more than 90% of Americans have sex before marriage, are we really still of the mindset that everyone who does is “impure”? Remind me where in the book (which, as far as I can tell, hasn’t been published yet) she encourages rampant promiscuity (maybe she does, I just haven’t seen any evidence of it)?

Why is sex “selfish”? Why does discouraging virginity as a fetish automatically lead to girls gone wild-type behavior? Are we really implying that Girls Gone Wild is FEMINIST? I’ve heard it called many things, but not that.

I’m just really confused by the analysis here.

“Why is it so many feminists are so obsessed with turning teenage girls into raging whores?”

HAVING SEX DOES NOT MAKE YOU A WHORE.

Charging for sex makes you a whore.

Where in Jessica’s book does she mention women hooking, huh?

Ever heard the old adage “Never judge a book by it’s cover”? 

This is a book that has not been published, and one you haven’t read.  How on earth can you, or anyone, argue against content that does not exist?

But, since we’re all about reading into the cover as much as possible here, if you actually read the subtitle, it says “How America’s Obsession with Virginity is Hurting Young Women”.  It’s a far cry from saying being a virgin is a bad thing.  Feminists aren’t responsible for the sexualization of the innocent virgin archetype, years of of male dominated religious and social mores are.  Feminists did not create Brittany Spears, or make her popular, feminists didn’t discover and launch Katy Perry’s “I Kissed A Girl”, and feminists certainly did not create, produce, purchase, or condone Girls Gone Wild.  In fact, in all of these examples, men are the instigators.

HAVING SEX DOES NOT MAKE YOU A WHORE.

God says that having sex outside marriage is whoredom. Whore is not always, in fact seldom is, a prostitute exchanging in sexual relations for money, it most often refers to somebody regarded as sexually indiscriminate, somebody regarded as willing to set aside moral values for selfish purposes.

Why does discouraging virginity as a fetish automatically lead to girls gone wild-type behavior? Are we really implying that Girls Gone Wild is FEMINIST?

A fetish in this case would be abnormal sexual desire, virginity historically cannot be called a fetish but a moral choice. Why the Girls Gone Wild Image? That is what is happening in society, has been for about four+ decades, sexual liberation, sexual promiscuity, exhibitionism and on and on women are acting like cheap (not a fee charged, but by appearance and actions) whores. It occurs on our schoolgrounds, even in Kindergarten and elementary school, not just sexual contact, but dressing and acting like prostitutes. You tell me me why? The results of making virginity a bad thing and promiscuity a good thing has produced these results.

One particular point: the sexualization of women is actually something against which feminists fight.  It tends to be the more conservative elements in society who support it and use it to generate revenue.

You are grossly ignorant of the feminist movement! Sexual liberation, promiscuity, exhibitionism, the coursening language and attitudes have always been at the center of the Feminazi movement. Oh, they make a pretense of wanting to stop the sexualization of women while they have produced that very phenomenon.

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

The point being made is not that virginity itself is bad, but that the obsession with virginity is. Anyone who, of their own free will, not because of shame or misinformation, makes the decision to abstain from sex should be respected. The social norms that tell young women to be “pure” while saying that sexually active “boys will be boys” is the problem. Shaming sex, and particulaly women and girls’ sexuality, does not reduce STDs or unintended preganancies. Comprehensive sex education, access to contraception and empowering all young men AND women to make smart, well-informed decisions about whether or not to have sex does.

Mheald: If you are not a card carrying, wild eyed liberal, I don’t know what would better define it! Do you work for that killing machine Planned Parenthood or the anti-American ACLU? It sounds like something out of their brochures.

Sexual abstinence and fidelity in marriage is 100% guaranteed to stop unintended pregnancies and the transmission of sexual diseases. Furthermore, such people do not bring their perverse, diverse sexual history into the marriage bed, where it can pollute the innocence of those involved and the real beauty of sexual relations.

The Feminazis and liberals have sold your kind of lies to our young people since the Sixties that, sexual intercourse outside marriage is okay - hell its great and you are stupid not to fornicate a lot, just protect yourself from the consequences of your immoral behavior. One of the biggest problems with our world today is that your side has robbed people of all sense of human shame at all their worst impulses; it is situational ethics, relative morality, anything goes, just protect yourselves from the consequences of your unbridled lusts. No wonder child molestation and the sexualization of children are on the rise, on your side everything is really acceptable, just don’t get caught or be stupid enough to suffer the consequences of your actions. If caught, blame someone else, something else, blame society and society will bail you out. Get pregnant, hell that’s what abortion is for, it is after the fact birth control for the criminally stupid and morally handicapped.

What would help this world a great deal is a lot more shame at our immoral behavior and a lot less moral license issued by the deviant crowd on the Left.

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

Sexual liberation, promiscuity, exhibitionism, the coursening language and attitudes are not equal to the sexualization and objectification of women.

If a woman chooses those things, for herself and herself only, with full awareness of how social pressures enact on her, she is in line with feminist ethics.

Of course, since you cite “god” as one of your sources in a philosophical debate on human behavior, I have no doubt that an actual conversation with depth is beyond you.

Of course, since you cite “god” as one of your sources in a philosophical debate on human behavior, I have no doubt that an actual conversation with depth is beyond you.

Reject God at your will, it is your freewill choice; but, the Judeo-Christian God and His morality have guided this nation to become the most prosperous and powerful nation on earth until 1962 when your side kicked Him out of the Public Square and your sexual liberalization, gross promiscuity and sexually perverse attitudes followed. I should note that the Feminazi movement and the 1962 SCOTUS decision kicking God out of the public square are almost identical time markers. Your side had to defeat God and Judeo-Christian morality, you had to turn your back on God to justify your grossly immoral beliefs.

Sexual liberation, promiscuity, exhibitionism, the coursening language and attitudes are not equal to the sexualization and objectification of women.

They are tied at the hip, you cannot have one without the other, as you define these matters.

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

It sure is easy to deconstruct the entire concept of feminism when one’s idea of it is entirely based on a straw man of one’s own construction!

It sure is easy to deconstruct the entire concept of feminism when one’s idea of it is entirely based on a straw man of one’s own construction!

I have attacked the Feminist Movement for the great harm they have caused to women and our culture, which does not mean I am a misogynist in any manner. One can hate the immorality at the root of the Feminist Movement (leadership), while still understanding the need to oppose the male dominated society that kept them in bondage and unable to be full human beings for so long.

You have been your own worst enemies and that to the harm of women and our culture.

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

You are extremely arrogant. I suggest you read the book before you try and critique it.
We feminists aren’t plotting to make whores out of everyone, I swear.
This purity issue lies in the obsession with virginity this culture has. Your sexual choices are up to you, not anyone else. It is your own personal business. If one chooses to practice abstinence, fine. If one chooses to have sex, fine. Feminism is all about choices!
Also, you make it seem as though one can either be perfect and virginal or a dirty slut. There’s a middleground, believe it or not!!

I suggest you read the book before you try and critique it.

I don’t choose to read the Satanic bible, but I know what is in it!

We feminists aren’t plotting to make whores out of everyone, I swear.

That is a straw man! No one spoke of plots, rather about the direction the Feminist movement took from day one; being, Feminism was all about sexual liberation. Your side made it a sexual issue, that to be feminine a woman needed to be a sexually promiscuous slut, she needed to be as immoral as a man to be full woman.

you make it seem as though one can either be perfect and virginal or a dirty slut. There’s a middleground, believe it or not!

There are many millions of feminists that are decent hard working women, most having a full time job inside and another one inside the home. But, Feminism, the movement, has always been mostly directed at sexual liberation, from day one they burned their bras, some bared their breats in protests and in many, many ways made sexual promiscuity the centerpiece of any true feminist’s life. It just got worse from there as women began to reject marriage, fidelity and strong moral values, to where today our young women and young girls dress and act like whores, little girls are sexualized in advertisements, in the movies, girls now feel they must experiment in lesbian relationships to be a real free woman, and I could go on and on demonstraing how our current and next generation of women have become just dirty, female versions of hormone driven men. By the time they marry they have had multiple partners, often of the same gender, they drink like men, curse like men, often in clothes and hairstyles dress like men, they bulk up and get muscular looking like men to the point where any guy that is attracted to them is being attracted by a pre-operative shemale.

So, you can rage on and defend feminism and the goals you feel they truly have, but the results of that movement testify that you are wrong about what Feminism has done to our women in this nation, it hasn’t made them free women, only sad versions of men.

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

Why is anyone even trying to argue with this guy?  He’s already made several false claims.
1)“Sexual abstinence and fidelity in marriage is 100% guaranteed to stop unintended pregnancies and the transmission of sexual diseases.”

Oh yes, of course, marraige is the “silver bullet” against unwanted pregnancies and STIs.  A woman in a marriage, even when finances are tough, or she knows pregnancy would be dangerous for her, ALWAYS wants wants every pregnancy. And a partner cannot bring an STI into a relationship if they have abstained.  I’ve got news for you: “Some infections are also transmitted nonsexually”(http://wso.williams.edu/orgs/peerh/sex/std/).  Like, I don’t know, HIV contracted during birth, or during a completely innocent first kiss with that girl from church, who seemed so well mannered and christian-y but turned out to be a “slut”? 

2)“God says that having sex outside marriage is whoredom.”
I don’t have much of a response to that, except that there are many healthy, happy, well adjusted women out there who have had sex outside of marriage.  It is those who are made to feel shame by conservative, religious zealots, who end up feeling shame. And those who don’t understand the value and proper use of condoms who often end up with STIs. Of course, shame is the proper response to pre-marital sex, “God says so.”  I think “God” said that before the time of condoms and support for pregnant women.  Back then sex with multiple partners could have been quite dangerous for women, and abstinance was relatively sound advice.  Now, when safe sex is practiced and women understand the significance of the sex they are about to have to the relationship they are in, then sex, in or out of marraige, can be a wonderful and beautiful thing. 

3)”...the Judeo-Christian God and His morality have guided this nation to become the most prosperous and powerful nation on earth until 1962 when your side kicked Him out of the Public Square”
Uh, wait a second, I thought God was put center stage during the middle of the last century, when, in combatting those evil commies, we added god to money, and school and public functions with the pledge.  The founding fathers were careful to include an anti-establishment clause, and several of them were actually NOT theists themselves.  If you want names I’ll be happy to look for them.  Oh, and if god has indeed guided this ship, then someone should tell him it’s sinking.

What a bunch of fuck twads.  Obsessed with sluttiness that is hilarious.  It is so true, the catholic school girls when I was growing up in the 80’s were the biggest “sluts” if you will. And why? Because they were taught not stop that sex is bad, boys are bad etc. etc.  So what do teens do? They rebel!

Good on you Jessica!!!

Keep up the good work.

http://www.misswit.net/palin.html
  !

Catholic Girls are slutty because their stupid right wing parents send them to school with all women and teach them that sex is bad.  Teens rebel. There you guy.

Good on you Jessica.

As for this fuck twad blog -  do you hear what your “people loving party ” is saying?
They want to KILL a candidate, because they are racists.
Good lord, maybe we should have abstinence because any more hate monger, sick self important twisted scary mofo republicans in this world is something we do not need!

Thanks for keeping the hate alive.

DRG/Flanders - would you please stick to one username for when you decide to spread your hate?

Thanks.

if god has indeed guided this ship, then someone should tell him it’s sinking.

Can’t, your side told Him He was personna non grata in the affairs of this nation, so being a gentleman and not wanted He stepped out of the picture, leaving us to our own devices; and this mess can all, every bit of it, be laid at the door of the Liberals, Feminists, atheists and the Democrat Party. You wanted no moral restraints, no rules, sexual liberation, no God and now you have it, is it good for you?

I don’t have much of a response to that, except that there are many healthy, happy, well adjusted women out there who have had sex outside of marriage.

None of them are truly free at all, they are bound by their many sexual experiences, they have no moral ground to encourage their own children to wait for marriage before engaging in sexual relations, or in fact restrain themselves from any of their worse impulses, because mommy (Daddy too) refused any moral absolutes and thus they exposed their children to their own profligate lifestyle choices. It is a recipe for national degradation, a move from being a city on the hill to a moral ghetto in the sewers.

Why is anyone even trying to argue with this guy?  He’s already made several false claims. 1)“Sexual abstinence and fidelity in marriage is 100% guaranteed to stop unintended pregnancies and the transmission of sexual diseases.”

Are you suggesting that if both people have not engaged in fornication, have been faithful only unto each other in the marriage bed, they will sexually transmit diseases they never contracted to each other? Will there be unintended pregnancies? Your are demonstrating incredible ignorance, but willfull ignorance, a conscious obtuseness to excuse and justify your own unrestrained immoral lifestle choices.

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

Neiman, if you visit sites such as Feministe or Shakesville, there are literally hundreds of posts criticizing the increased sexualization of young girls and the sexualization of women as a whole. The fetishizing of women does not come from feminists, it comes from the patriarchy and in many cases, it comes from religion. Whether you’re watching “Girls Gone Wild” or forcing your daughter to carry the oh-so-easy-to-mock purity balls, either way, it’s all about men controlling women’s sexuality; making women the sexual property of men. Feminism is trying to put a stop to this. A stop to rape, a stop to sexual shame. That can’t happen as long as you try to control female sexuality and call women “whores” and “sluts.” I somehow doubt you say the same thing about men. An obsession with virginity is harmful, because an obsession with anything is harmful. Look, you’ve made it clear that you don’t know what this book is about. You may still have issues with what it is really about, but can’t you at least admit your initial assumption that Jessica has an obsession with slutiness is wrong and based on nothing?

Neiman, if you visit sites such as Feministe or Shakesville, there are literally hundreds of posts criticizing the increased sexualization of young girls and the sexualization of women as a whole. The fetishizing of women does not come from feminists, it comes from the patriarchy and in many cases, it comes from religion. Whether you’re watching “Girls Gone Wild” or forcing your daughter to carry the oh-so-easy-to-mock purity balls, either way, it’s all about men controlling women’s sexuality; making women the sexual property of men. Feminism is trying to put a stop to this. A stop to rape, a stop to sexual shame. That can’t happen as long as you try to control female sexuality and call women “whores” and “sluts.” I somehow doubt you say the same thing about men. An obsession with virginity is harmful, because an obsession with anything is harmful. Look, you’ve made it clear that you don’t know what this book is about. You may still have issues with what it is really about, but can’t you at least admit your initial assumption that Jessica has an obsession with slutiness is wrong and based on nothing?

Bah. Sorry for the double post.

The Feminist Movement always had at its core, ‘sexual liberation,’ I know I was a young adult when it all started and I have witnessed it’s descent into uncontrolled debauchery ever since. A big part of the movement was about women controlling their own sexuality (bodies), which by the by, was their excuse for murdering babies (abortion); but I digress, and exploring ones own sexuality through fornication was encouraged by all the top leaders, most of whom by the way were ugly, sexually frustrated old hags that no one would want to touch anyway.

The Feminist Movement was against women being simple housewives, mothers and wives, they sought to destroy the institution of marriage ityself as a means to “liberate” women and that liberation opened the door to carnal sexual license or aka sexual liberality among women. Yes, even then Feminists made a pretense of fighting against the sexualization of women, while all the time their attacks against marriage and Judeo-Christian morality along with the assistance of many men happy to screw around with all these liberated women, all conspired to produce exactly the opposite result, wherein women and even young girls were were being sexualized, being made into simple objects of sexual lust and the objects of transitory sexual affairs with no love, no commitment, nor self sacrifice involved, just using each other for purposes of mutual masturbation and then move on.

You, like all militant Feminists rage against religion and in many cases you might have a point; but, Christianity never made women into sexual creatures, rather it looked upon them as wives, mothers and companions, to walk side-by-side with their husbands, not in front or behind; and, husbands were commanded to be sexually faithful to their wives, to not defraud them in the marriage bed and to love them to the point of being willing to die to protect them. In Christianity women were on a pedestal, exalted as queens of their household, precious in the sight of God and man and seeking them out for purposes of lust, outside marriage was condemned. But of course, Feminists were never content with being held up as being superior to men, no, your side wanted to drag all of you into the gutter with men, to get you to dress and act like men, and so when you got down on the same level, why cry when you are treated like sluts and whores?

What about men? Men should not be fornicating or being adulterous either, sowing their wild oats is for horses not men, it makes them no better than the lower order of animals controlled by their lusts having no sense of moral restraint, which is why we have much worse sexual sins than simple fornication going on in this world, there is nothing so immoral that men/women will not engage in it if they have no sense of shame or fear of God. Yes, both men and women will fail, they will outside of a strong family, participation in their Church and in the face of social condemnation act like rutting pigs, because we are all sinners. Feminism simply exploited the weakness and vanity of women, telling them whoredom and sluttish behavior was
superior to moral restraint, fidelity in marriage and simple decency.

You may still have issues with what it is really about, but can’t you at least admit your initial assumption that Jessica has an obsession with slutiness is wrong and based on nothing?

I admit nothing of the kind! I posted a story about some reactions to her book, you went off the topic of the thread by your own choice.

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

Neiman, you said:

“She has some kind of particular aversion to girls practicing abstinence, or at the very least, not wallowing in the hook-up culture that dominates high schools and colleges today.”

Which you have not shown to have any basis in fact. You also implied that Jessica’s book says virginity hurts young women, which is again, not true, as many of these comments have shown. On Jessica’s blog, she stated she had no problem with girls’ remaining virgins as long as it was THEIR CHOICE. So yes, admitting you were wrong is in order here, otherwise you are just denying facts that are right in front of everyone to see.

Chris: Grow up!

“She has some kind of particular aversion to girls practicing abstinence, or at the very least, not wallowing in the hook-up culture that dominates high schools and colleges today.”

I did not say anything like that, the author of the article reviwing the book did. Get it? Your argument is against the author of the book review, not me as regards such statements. Further, I would hardly accept your word on what the book actually says and the author of the article (review) may have been drawing reasonable conclusions from the book, based on statements of the book’s author. Such Feminist or Liberal authors will rarely get caught actually speaking the truth in clear words, but will in effect say that very thing they are charged with using other words, because the Left specializes in obfuscations, misdirection and the clever use of language to give themselves room for denials later. Why? They are enemies of Truth!

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

Neiman, I’m sorry, I did read that part wrong.

However, you were endorsing that viewpoint, and your complete hatred of the Feminist movement is still mind-boggling to me.

However, you were endorsing that viewpoint, and your complete hatred of the Feminist movement is still mind-boggling to me.

That is because you are wrong! I hate what the militant, anti-Chistian feminist leaders did to harm women and our country with the promotion of sexual liberation; but I don’t hate the idea of equality for women or ever endorsed the idea they should be treated like property or second class citizens.

In keeping silent about evil, in burying it deep within us, so that it appears nowhere on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn. The Gulag Archipelago

Perhaps if you read the book, you would know that Jessica Valenti is NOT against abstinence; she merely believes that your moral standing should not be determined by whether or not you’re having premarital sex. You might also know that she has a section about how “Girls Gone Wild” culture is damaging.

Aside from all the snarky assumptions you have made about the book, a wider knowledge of our sex education might be relevant to you as well. After years of telling teenagers that birth control doesn’t work, they still had sex anyway, leading to the high rates of STDs and unexpected pregnancy. Thanks, abstinence-only education. Now that comprehensive sex education is becoming more popular, those numbers are slowly dropping.

Please research before you post things on the internet that others might read and actually believe. Thank you.

Perhaps if you read the book, you would know that Jessica Valenti is NOT against abstinence; she merely believes that your moral standing should not be determined by whether or not you’re having premarital sex.

I don’t have any moral objection to promiscuity, per se, but that sort of irresponsible behavior comes back on society at large in abortions.  Children the parents can’t afford.  Disease.

You don’t want to be judged for being promiscuous, but you expect the rest of us to just abide the consequences of your actions?

That’s asking a bit much.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Freedom requires responsibility, Rob; good one!

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

The point is that because of feminists, our society is becoming one huge “Girls Gone Wild,” with even little girls being sexualized in our culture. Leave out the STD’s and unintended pregnacies ending in the murder of the innocent human beings in their wombs.

STDs among the heterosexual community are most abundant with those who are in the military and actually pay for sex with actual whores, not the bibles hyperbole version.

A major part of our society is becoming a girls gone wild culture, but it is not because of feminism, it’s because of the pop culture running amuck and because of the capitalist nature of our system that allows us to exploit rebellious women for profit.

It’s cultural, and a predominately white American cultural phenomenon.  If you ever come to Hawaii for spring break, see if you can find any large amount of drunk white males or woman removing their tops and prancing around on the beach like a Catholic school girl whose just turned 18.  You won’t because the culture is different here.

If you look at the Girls Gone Wild videos, you can see who these women are that are rebelling.  They are not the daughters of poor immigrants, but generally those daughters of American culture who are rebelling against their conservative upbringing.

Instead of finding things to attack each other over, why don’t we find areas where we can agree, and find compromise long enough to take a step back and enjoy the recognition of our similarities? 

Then, we can take steps forward in a constructive way, together, to tackle the issues where we really do disagree.

You say you don’t have anything against premarital sex, and yet you call it “promiscuity” and “irresponsible behavior.”  I find it hard to believe that there is not a bias somewhere in there.

As far as disease and abortion go, see my comment on sex education. It is abstinence-only sex education that has dug us into this hole by preaching that birth control doesn’t work; teens still had sex, but didn’t see any point in spending money on something that is actually 97% effective.

I also don’t appreciate the use of the personal word “you,” but I’ll try to understand it as a broad, encompassing pronoun. I fail to see how a woman getting an abortion or someone obtaining an STD would affect the others who don’t believe in premarital sex. And before you argue that government money is spent on these things, remember that it will turn into your probably pro-life argument against my pro-choice argument. Also remember that people were always going to have sex, and STDs were always going to spread. Those numbers are now declining, thanks to comprehensive sex education.

You say you don’t have anything against premarital sex, and yet you call it “promiscuity” and “irresponsible behavior.”  I find it hard to believe that there is not a bias somewhere in there.

Hey, I had premarital sex.  I’m a libertarian.  Live as you would.

But what you’re asking for is permission from society to have premarital sex and not judge you.  The problem is that sex outside of marriage tends to lend itself to unwanted pregnancy, and promiscuity which leads to complicatiosn like disease.

Now, i don’t think there should be any laws against you doing what you want.  But a lot of people who engage in risky behavior turn around and expect society at large to bail them out.

That’s my objection.

The purpose of government shouldn’t be to do good, but simply to refrain from doing evil.

Rob: What you’re both missing here is that this isn’t about laws, it’s about some people exercising their free speech rights to advocate for abstinence and virginity.  The usual toxic spew from the lefties follows this example of free speech.
This is an attack on diversity of opinion.
These people don’t want our kids to be given the information about the advantages of abstinence and virginity.

If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

“These people don’t want our kids to be given the information about the advantages of abstinence and virginity.”

This isn’t true, Robert. I have not met a single liberal or feminist who disputes the fact that abstinence is the only way to 100% prevent pregnancy and STDs. It should ABSOLUTELY be presented as an option; but comprehensive sex education also calls for education about condoms, birth control pills, and the plan B pill. The public needs full disclosure to all the facts. As effective as abstinence is, it is not the path that a majority of teenagers will choose, whether or not they have had abstinence-only education.

As far as virginity goes, I would argue that it doesn’t exist. We don’t even have a working medical definition for it. The only definitions available are religiously or opinion-based. It cannot be determined by the hymen, because there are a number of ways it can be broken outside of intercourse (including tampons and bike-riding); it cannot be determined by the so-called “looseness” of a vagina because it is so elastic; it cannot even be defined as “having not had sex,” because what constitutes as sex? Penile/vaginal penetration only? What about a finger or any other object? And where does that leave homosexual men and women? While I don’t believe in it, I am not saying that no one should not believe in the existence of virginity because that is their prerogative; I am simply offering that there is no universal definition and therefore probably shouldn’t be considered a universal issue.