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Wednesday, October 18, 2006

The Anti-Democratic Democrats

Denis Keohane, in The American Thinker:
Democrats named their party after democracy. They used to think it was a good way to run things.

There has been debate on the right for years about whether President Bush’s promotion of democracy in the Middle East as an integral part of the GWOT is perhaps too naively Wilsonian. Democrats are largely silent or dismissive on the issue. Woodrow Wilson was, of course, a Democrat.

The once fervent support for democracy among Democrats from Wilson through Truman has been ebbing over decades. The one time elections in much of the old colonial world in the sixties most often led to disaster and a letdown of enthusiasm for democracy. Domestically, Democrats began to seek alternatives to appeal to elected representation. In the seventies, unpopular policies like school busing, affirmative action and (initially at least) abortion found Democrats seeking cover behind the non-elected federal courts. ‘The Courts have spoken’ was a common Democrat response to being asked to take a stand on the unpopular issues. By the nineties it was commonplace for Democrats and the left to seek policy victory by court ruling when there was no chance of prevailing in the democratically elected branches.

In recent years Democrats have moved beyond seeking a judicial workaround to a democratic system that just won’t give them what they desire. The Democrats first took the 2000 Presidential election to court, filing the butterfly ballot case in Palm Beach County . Having gone to the courts, the Democrats were furious when the Supreme Court decided against their interests, and began calling 2000 a stolen election, decided by a right wing court .

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What they don’t either understand or do understand and don’t care about, is that they are undermining the very concept of democratic elections, and may well do so again in the next few weeks. There is growing evidence of a combination of frustration with democratic processes with the belief that elections are won by dirty tricks, pure and simple, among Democrat rank and file. The son of a Democrat Congressman and three other young apparently non-idealistic Democrats were convicted of slashing the tires of 100 Republican GOTV vehicles on election day, 2004 . Senator Schumer is a strong advocate for privacy rights yet aides in the DSCC that he ran committed fraud to obtain the credit report of a Republican candidate .

The “purple finger” images from the Iraqi elections touched the hearts of many Americans, even notably some of the Democrat left, as symbolic of something cherished, profound and inspiring to Americans. Yet most of the Democrat reaction to democratic elections in Afghanistan and Iraq has been lukewarm to outright dismissive. Even the idea that women in Islamic majority countries were enfranchised didn’t get the feminist allies of the Democrats fired up.

Armando, a regular at Daily Kos, posted a commentary entitled “Myth of the Purple Fingers” quoting the New York Times about Iraqis seeming to be unenthusiastic about the vote for their Constitution He wrote,

“Yes the Constitution will win the vote. And then what? Will our troops come home now? Will the Iraqi government be able to govern? What is different now than yesterday?”

Oddly enough (or not) the New York Times characterized turnout in Iraq of 63% as “unenthusiastic” ) But the Washington Post gushed about the US’s enthusiastic turnout in the 2004 election of under 61%!

For years Democrats have been fostering the notion, for short term political advantage, that democratic processes don’t work, elections are stolen, and that Republican elected officials obtain position by fraud and Rovian plots, appealing to their party’s long-used tactic of encouraging a sense of victimhood. Democratic processes make victims.

At some point, the chickens will come home to roost. If Democrats continue to push this theme, as they may well do next month, what alternative to democratic processes do they propose?

It is grossly ironic that the party that is undermining the very concept of the democratic process, calls itself the Democratic Party.


Read the whole thing.

A great piece; well worth the read.

Comments

Avatar for gregdn

"Yet most of the Democrat reaction to democratic elections in Afghanistan and Iraq has been lukewarm to outright dismissive.”
That’s my reaction too.  Given the chance these people vote along religous and tribal lines.  The election of Hamas in Palestine and the strong showing of Hezbollah in Lebanon should be proof enough.
The thinking that ‘Democratic nations don’t fight each other, so let’s export it’ is analogous to saying ‘people who wear high heels don’t gang bang, so let’s outfit the Crips with 6” stilettos’

gregdn on October 19, 2006 at 02:53 am

Sounds like the author of this piece had you pegged pretty well.  You call yourselves “Democrats”, but don’t want democracy anywhere it might speak to the success of George Bush.  Silly partisans!


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robert108 on October 19, 2006 at 04:10 am
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Robert, as you know I don’t call myself a democrat.
As for democracy itself, I support it wherever it is homegrown.  Poland is a perfect example.
My point is you can’t introduce it everywhere and expect it to succeed.

gregdn on October 19, 2006 at 04:54 am

This article exposes the hypocrisy of the Dem Party.  Your hopes for democracy around the world are identical to theirs; if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…
It’s always interesting to me how some people think if something doesn’t work perfectly out of the box, it’s not worth trying at all.  Better to hunker down in fear, I guess.  No matter what happens in Afghanistan and Iraq, those people have had a taste of democracy, which is more than they would have had without our brave President.  That alone is worth it to me.  You people always forget to mention Tiananmen Square, I notice.  The people chose it, and were brutally suppressed.  There’s a lesson for you.  I definitely think we owe it to the oppressed peoples of the world to help them to experience freedom and independence rather than selling them out to totalitarianism.


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robert108 on October 19, 2006 at 04:59 am
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Since you brought up Tiananmen square, perhaps you’ll share your plan for bringing democracy to China.

gregdn on October 19, 2006 at 05:49 am

gregdn: My plan? You’re the one who supports democracy when it’s “homegrown”; what’s your plan?  You cited Poland, I cited China.


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robert108 on October 19, 2006 at 05:57 am
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China may eventually evolve into a democracy; I don’t know.  We can’t impose it on them though.

gregdn on October 19, 2006 at 06:04 am

gregdn: Do you realize what a ridiculous statement it is to talk about “imposing democracy”?  We are providing an opportunity for it in Iraq and Afghanistan, and, last time I looked, the people were responding to it rather enthusiastically.  Remember the purple fingers?  When a people is under the thumb of a dictator, how can you tell what the people want?  You have to depose the dictator, then see what they choose.  What’s your plan??


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robert108 on October 19, 2006 at 06:07 am

Sounds slightly familiar.

The Two Liberal Parties

With the Bush Doctrine of Regime Change fully in place, the force of America’s influence is one of democratic ideas proliferating the world over, for better or worse.
The great irony is the group that has been actively opposing the notion of spreading a form of democracy across the world is the Democratic Party.
Some within the Democratic Party’s ranks suggest that “some people can’t handle democracy, so why force it upon them?”

Besides being patently racist, it flies in the face of the Democratic ideals of JFK and FDR.

freerepublicans.com on October 19, 2006 at 06:24 am
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Personally, I think it is criminal to invade a country, install an interim government, sell off many state assets to your buddies, and then letting the occupants of said country select a government from a pre-approved list of politicians.

That doesn’t sound like democracy to me. Did the people of Iraq get to vote for the invasion? Did the people of Iraq get a say on the sale of state assets? Is is democratic to eliminate opponents from running in “free” elections?

But I still hope all those responsible for the Iraq mess get fair trials for their war crimes, even though they most certainly deserve summary executions. Maybe I am just a big softie.

AV,

Any nation which agrees with you is of course free to go to war with the United States in an attempt to reverse what you consider to be the criminal overthrow of Saddam Hussein’s government.  That, after all, is what the United States did (along with a host of allies) following Saddam’s invasion of Kuwait.

The problem of course is that no single nation on earth has the combination of the necessary force and the requisite transport and logistics to do so.  Nor do the states which border Iraq and which would thus have a lesser transport and logistics burden.

That is the only internation opinion which matters.

Nor do any international courts which cannot back their verdicts with requisite force rise to the level of notice.

That is the ground truth of International Relations, and failure to realize that fact is what renders your opinions laughable.

Out Here
Rodney Graves


Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Rodney Graves on October 19, 2006 at 07:06 am

AV:Addicted to snark:

You leave out the part about deposing a murdering, torturing, raping dictator and forbidding his associates from participating in the new govt.  I don’t know what you mean by “selling off many state assets”, but it’s probably MSM BS.  The key word is “interim”, not “permanent”.  Your comments about “war crimes” is beneath contempt.  Do you even understand what terrorism is?


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robert108 on October 19, 2006 at 07:07 am
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My objection to the ‘plant democracy everywhere’ is a practical one: it rarely works.

gregdn on October 19, 2006 at 07:11 am

gregdn: Nothing works if you don’t give it the opportunity.


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robert108 on October 19, 2006 at 07:13 am
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Robert: we have given it a try.  Hamas, Hezbollah and Sadr are some of the office holders democracy has brought.

gregdn on October 19, 2006 at 07:50 am

You fail to mention the staggeringly large number of good office holders, I notice; preferring instead to concentrate on a few bad apples; typical leftie thinking.  If it’s not perfect, let’s not even try.


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robert108 on October 19, 2006 at 08:28 am

Even more leftie:  If we have a few setbacks, let’s cut and run, hunker down and hide.  Great going!


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robert108 on October 19, 2006 at 08:38 am
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Rodney Graves: Your comment translated into english says ‘might makes right’. That doesn’t sound democratic to me.

Rodney Graves: Your comment translated into english says ‘might makes right’.

Funny considering that you’re the one who supports the rule of Saddam on an argument of “sovereignty”. It looks like you support the “might makes right” scenerio as long as it applies to dictators.

likwidshoe on October 19, 2006 at 05:44 pm
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Funny considering that you’re the one who supports the rule of Saddam on an argument of “sovereignty”.--Likwidshoe

Yeah, I sent Saddam campaign funds, just like how dubya’s dad and dad’s father-in-law gave money to the NAZI party.

Because I am against:

...invade a country, install an interim government, sell off many state assets to your buddies, and then letting the occupants of said country select a government from a pre-approved list of politicians.--Anarchist Vegan

It doesn’t mean I am in favour of Saddam. Only someone with very little imagination could possibly think those are the only two possibilities.

Yeah, I sent Saddam campaign funds, just like how dubya’s dad and dad’s father-in-law gave money to the NAZI party.

Guilt by association. I see that you just love to employ that when it works to your favor, so the next time you bitch about such a practice, I’ll kindly tell you to STFU.

It doesn’t mean I am in favour of Saddam.

You sure do argue in his favor a lot.

Only someone with very little imagination could possibly think those are the only two possibilities.

You leave me with no choice.

likwidshoe on October 19, 2006 at 06:09 pm

AV,

Terribly sorry that the world as it is does not conform to your standards.

It is, none the less, what it is, and wishing will not make it otherwise.

And until you recognize that truth, your opinions remain laughable.

Out Here
Rodney Graves


Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Rodney Graves on October 19, 2006 at 06:09 pm
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