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Of course, the government representatives elected by the people are all asking for the U.S. to stay.

But I suppose that doesn’t matter.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Why not introduce the Iraqi people to the Referendum and Iniative process and see what they really think?

These polls are more bunk then the ones done here, expand this Outpost of Democracy our troops have fought for and let the people over there deciede.

The people of Iraq have their own sovereign government now.  If they want referendums, they’ll have them.

Our role in Iraq is to help protect the Iraqi government and train Iraqi security forces until a) the Iraqi government asks us to leave or b) we decide that we’ve completed our mission.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

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Conservatives, myself included, would have loved for the security in Iraq to have been won as decisively and swiftly as we defeated Iraq militarily. But there is a reason why it wasn’t. 

The global press, MSM, Al Jazeera, terrorists, and liberal sympathizers in general, has waged all out political war against the US war effort.  Even many of our elected democratic leaders in our own government, who voted to invade Iraq, turned tale and joined the enemy’s political war effort. 

Public opinion is the most obvious casualty on the political front. It is no wonder then that Iraqis would poll so negatively.  The only way to turn this to victory politically is to go on the offensive.  Strong, determined leadership is needed at home, and in Iraqi government. The public is crying out for clear direction.  We want to be led to victory and this poll shows the Iraqis want the same.

Of course, the government representatives elected by the people are all asking for the U.S. to stay.

We left out the Sunnis. Anyone who knows anything about this stuff knows that a consociational or power-sharing government is the only option in an ethnically and religiously charged situation like Iraq. Its clear stability was not our goal when you take that into account.

We left out the Sunnis. Anyone who knows anything about this stuff knows that a consociational or power-sharing government is the only option in an ethnically and religiously charged situation like Iraq. Its clear stability was not our goal when you take that into account.

“We” didn’t do any such thing.  The Iraqis themselves elected the representatives who make up the new government, and there are Sunnis in it.  They’re in the minority, but then the Sunnis are a minority in Iraq in general.

You should try actually knowing what you’re talking about, Sparkie.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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I do know what I’m talking about. The Sunnis were totally left out of the constitution drafting. They weren’t given equal access to polling places during the election. Why don’t you get your facts straight dude!

I do know what I’m talking about. The Sunnis were totally left out of the constitution drafting.

And the Jews run the media, blah blah blah.

You’re a clown.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Nice try Rob. I said nothing about the Jews. What I said about the Sunnis is true. Look it up! You sound like someone fishing for BS because you’re wrong. Frankly I’m not surprised.

Nice try Rob. I said nothing about the Jews.

So, you don’t believe that the media is controlled by the Jews?

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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One of my best friends does nation building. He has worked on former soviet states, in the balkans, and on iraq. I have discussed all of this with him at length and know that I’m not wrong. You can bray about democracy in Iraq all you want but you’re way off base. Write me off when you want to though. I’m a clown. Yep. Too bad I’m right about this. Check it out. You’ll find the Sunnis were excluded because they were. Its not any form of just or real democracy as a result. Tout it all you want. You’re wrong as fuck.

One of my best friends does nation building. He has worked on former soviet states, in the balkans, and on iraq. I have discussed all of this with him at length and know that I’m not wrong.

Your friend “does national building.”

Sure, Sparkie.  Now tell us about the Jews.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Hey Rob. YOU ARE WRONG. Don’t be like r108 (because that’s exactly what you’re doing). Just pick yourself up… Look it up… and realize that the Sunnis got left out of the constitution drafting.
And yes one of my friends does do nation building. So what? Another one of my friends is a Bush appointed appeals court judge. So what? Are you saying I’m lying about that?

The Sunni leadership is responsible for Sunnis not being involved in the drafting of Iraq’s Constitution. Sunni voters were not denied access to polling places and their candidates were on all ballots. You are wrong as fuck, as you are on every single comment you post here.

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Sunnis not being involved in the drafting of Iraq’s Constitution

sparkie:

The Sunnis were totally left out of the constitution drafting

so i guess I wasn’t wrong as fuck about that eh?

Hey Rob. YOU ARE WRONG. Don’t be like r108 (because that’s exactly what you’re doing). Just pick yourself up… Look it up… and realize that the Sunnis got left out of the constitution drafting.

You’re the one making the assertion, how about you show me how I’m wrong.  Because I certainly don’t trust you to just tell the truth.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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so… ROB. Its doesn’t have anything to do with the Jews. Learn up. Trying to discredit me like that when I’m right just makes you look like r108.

You are wrong, sparkle pacifist, and full of shit.

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I will make A WHOLE POST ABOUT IT whenever I get home and can collect my sources and shit…

i siad the sunnis were excluded. they were. i didnt say why or how.

when people dont go to the constitution drafting and when people dont vote then your beautiful democracy is worth shit! its bs for bush to tote around while he empowers iran - iran & turkey were more represented than iraq at iraq’s own constitution drafting! truth = bush doesnt know what the fuck to do. you guys can pretend its all beautiful over there all you want. it bullshit. wait. time is a bitch… it’ll prove me right. enough. i’m going home.

Wow, Rob. We really hit a nerve there, sparkle pacifist is gonna pee it’s panties.

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Sparkles,

The verb “exclude” is transitive, and implies an action taken by someone, usually the subject of the sentence.  Similarly, when someone is, or has been, “excluded” the implication is that the exclusion is the result of the action or actions by another.

Such was not the case with the Sunni Muslims in Iraq.  They were not excluded at all.  Rather they chose not to participate (which is not the same thing.) and are thus hardly entitled to anyone’s sympathy over the results of their own, self-inflicted stupidity.

Perhaps if you were a bit less cavalier about what you say, and how you say it, and more considerate of your audience as well, perhaps you might be taken a bit more seriously.  Perhaps.

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They willingly did not participate in the elections, BUT they were EXCLUDED from the final stages of the constitution drafting. By that I mean it happened behind closed doors without the Sunnis having the option of attending.
Don’t act like I’m wrong either. On this one I’m correct. I will post a reader blog entry all about it later.

No, sparkle pacifist, they “excluded” themselves. Therefore all their problems are self inflicted. Sunnis were not blocked from voting by Shias or Kurds OR the Coalition.

The drafting of Iraq’s Constitution was not “behind closed doors”, it was quite open to any who cared to observe it.

You are so wrong it is not even funny anymore. Now spin us a pretty tale.

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Don’t act like I’m wrong either.

Sparkle,

It’s not an act.  You’re wrong!