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Terrorists are “Just Hoodlums and Convicts…” -Ron Paul

"...we incite them with our foreign policy”
_Ron Paul on Political Capital with Al Hunt

Hmm! Sounds like a law enforcement problem to me! Didn’t we already have a President who treated terrorism as a law enforcement problem? (Here’s a clue: Hillary’s husband!)

Paul called his Republican presidential rivals, including frontrunner Rudy Giuliani, ``neo-conservatives’’ whom he couldn’t support in the general election should his own bid fail.

``They think we’re supposed to spread our goodness through force,’’ Paul said. For example, none will pledge not to wage war on Iran, he said. ``How could I support something like that?’’

Terrorists `Just Hoodlums’

The greatest threat to the nation, Paul said, is an overextension of the U.S. military and ``involvement in places we shouldn’t be.’’ Terrorism shouldn’t be fought by waging war on nations, he said. Terrorists are ``just hoodlums and convicts, so to speak, but we incite them with our foreign policy,’’ he said.


So, the greatest threat to the nation is our military and our use of force, not jihadists flying planes into buildings?
Calling the U.S. a “world empire”, Paul preaches against entangling foreign alliances such as nation-building and peacekeeping. He has called for immediate withdrawal from Iraq and opposed the Patriot Act.
We can save money on our military, because, as I heard him say in the interview,
"No country is going to attack us!"
Really?
Calling the U.S. a “world empire”, Paul demonstrates that he hasn’t a clue as to what the word “empire” means!
Ron Paul garnered less than one-half of one percent of the vote the last time he ran for President. If we can publicize “The Doctor’s” message, we should be able to cut that in half this time!

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And let the endless whining and screech of the Paulettes commence! What an F**king moron. I still want to know what Cabinet position Hillary has offered him for his continued support of Hillary’08.


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2Hotel9 on November 24, 2007 at 07:18 am

Since he is parrotting much of the liberal points, I have to assume that he has become unhinged.


You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

docdave on November 24, 2007 at 09:33 am

Become?


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2Hotel9 on November 24, 2007 at 09:52 am
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You guys are a little misled, and that’s understandable. The war on terror is an emotional parting point, keep in mind that Ron Paul’s got the most support from the troops thus far.

I start with the two words you’ve been longing to hear for about 20 years:
Fiscal Conservatism.

Ron Paul’s stance on the economy and the laxxing of federal restrictions was and IS the cornerstone of his campaign, not just the war. The war is an important issue, however, the most important issues are going to encircle the economy this coming year. We will see more of this as Gas may hit over $4 next year, mainly because of inflation.

The parting point of Republicans is obviously the war in Iraq, it’s too emotional, most likely it’s an automatic label of a liberal Democrat, to which I say Hillary and Obama don’t want to end this war either, it’s the Democrats that want to impose a Draft.

A ha, the ‘D’ word, Draft. Most pro-war people don’t see the forrest beyond the trees. Most Republicans know that the D is for Democrat and Draft. With our volentary military troops in Iraq, where will the reinforcements come from if we then invade Iran.

Draft Day is coming for the Democrat and Misled Republicans. When they hear that it’s possible in a few years that their sons or daughters may be sent into harms way they will come around.

Not all families are like Mitt Romney’s where they are born with a silver spoon in their mouth and can afford to dodge the draft. Ron Paul didn’t dodge the draft, but Giuliani did!

The solution is simple, for 9/11 these Terrorist hoodlums would have been stopped dead in their tracks if the FAA didn’t restrict the Airlines to protect their private property. In other words, if the pilots had carried pistols the box cutting pussies would have been shot on the spot.

Ron Paul IS against the Iraq invasion because the people didn’t back it up with a congressional vote. If the representatives put up the vote there wouldn’t be this issue. Let’s not forget Ron Paul voted to go into Afghanistan to capture Bin Laden.

With that I say to those that call Ron Paul supporters name please keep in mind that a lot of Iraq, Vietnam, and Korean war veterans are for Ron Paul (I met a bunch at the Philly rally). There is a large variety of supporters for him for all different reasons. The KEY thing is they know where he stands, all the politicians seem to change positions to pander to the people they talk to.

Furthermore, look at the left-winged cowardly lions on TV like Keith Olbermann. He knows Ron Paul is the only real competition for Hillary so he does his best to not even mention him. The one time he’s talked about Ron Paul he went into a stuttering fit, like he was scared that his beloved Hitlery may NOT be the next US President.

Face it boys, Ron Paul is the real deal.

Tim on November 24, 2007 at 04:22 pm
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I voted for Bush and supported the war until about 2006. I now see the greatest enemy we have is not terrorism but socialism, and that is best conquered by liberty. I fear that as the government expands its power to fight terror, it will also allow a future socialist president to use these powers to their own ends.

Only one Republican would not only aim to kill all of the current socialist programs in America, but also make it impossible for them to create new ones.. and I think we all know who that is..

JayDee on November 24, 2007 at 04:26 pm

Only one Republican would not only aim to kill all of the current socialist programs in America, but also make it impossible for them to create new ones.. and I think we all know who that is..

Spiderman?


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on November 24, 2007 at 04:33 pm
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JayDee, you supported the war...until we really started winning in Iraq?

Color me skeptical.


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Yes Rob, I’m a paleo-con, Originally I believed the best defence was a good offense and I supported the war. Looking back now I think I did so because I believed it was a war of self defence.

Rob, if you fly a Gadsden flag for your logo, you would probably be aware that nations have no more rights than the individuals that make them up. We can not grant government more rights than we possess ourselves.

..and so a nation is justified to go to war under the same circumstances that an individual can go to war, for SELF DEFENSE exclusively. With the lack of a means to attack us, and virtually no evidence of any weapons to speak of.. I no longer believe that Iraq was a imminent threat to the United States, and so if it is not clearly a war of self defence I will not have it, my country only goes to war when it has to, it does not go for “other reasons” such as spreading democracy or other such nonsense.

I wrote an essay on this that further explains my reasoning a while back. If you still don’t believe me go take a look for yourself. http://dailypaul.com/node/4318

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keep in mind that Ron Paul’s got the most support from the troops thus far.

You followed this with eleven paragraphs?
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(Although, “Ron Paul is the real deal” was a close second!)



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Rob, if you fly a Gadsden flag for your logo, you would probably be aware that nations have no more rights than the individuals that make them up. We can not grant government more rights than we possess ourselves.

..and so a nation is justified to go to war under the same circumstances that an individual can go to war, for SELF DEFENSE exclusively. With the lack of a means to attack us, and virtually no evidence of any weapons to speak of.. I no longer believe that Iraq was a imminent threat to the United States

That’s an easy thing to say now after we invaded.

But is it not in our self-interest to promote the aspirations of all free peoples, given that free and democratic nations rarely attack one another or launch wars of aggression?


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Rob on November 24, 2007 at 04:54 pm
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A vote for any GOPer other than RP in the primary is a vote for Hillary.

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Draft Day is coming for the Democrat and Misled Republicans. When they hear that it’s possible in a few years that their sons or daughters may be sent into harms way they will come around.

Probably the draft between your ears disrupts your so-called thought process!
You want a draft? Go to the pub! No one other than a few pandering, crackpot Democrats advocate a return to the draft. Well, now maybe we can add a few pandering, crackpot Paul supporters to the list!



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A vote for any GOPer other than RP in the primary is a vote for Hillary.

Were Ron Paul the Republican nominee, Hillary would take the oath of office in Jan. ‘09!



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Proof on November 24, 2007 at 05:08 pm
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That’s an easy thing to say now after we invaded.

But is it not in our self-interest to promote the aspirations of all free peoples, given that free and democratic nations rarely attack one another or launch wars of aggression?

I know, if we made a mistake, and I believe we did than we are in a terrible mess.. and I believe that Bush actually believed he was doing the right thing at the time.

You can’t kill for your own self-interest, so why can a nation kill for its self-interest? America is not the policeman of the world, it is not just for us to attack nations in our self-interest just as its not just for China or Russia to attack nations for their own self interest.

That’s how I see it at least. If you can look at all the information out their today and honestly tell yourself that Iraq was actually just moments away from attacking us.. then by all means continue to support the war.. but just remember, that is the only just reason you can have for it.

Politically I believe all the same things as I always have, I simply no longer believe that Iraq was an immediate threat, and I’m aghast that other Republicans out their would give up so much of their core beliefs (abortion, immigration, gun-control, taxes) to elect someone like Rudy for this misguided war we now find ourselves in.

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I no longer believe that Iraq was a imminent threat to the United States

Funny! Because President Bush never said they were an imminent threat to the US! In fact, he took great pains to point out that if we waited until a threat was “imminent”, we couldn’t prevent future 9/11 type attacks.



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You can’t kill for your own self-interest, so why can a nation kill for its self-interest?

I can shoot someone to keep my neighbor from being killed.  By deposing Saddam and reducing the overall violence in Iraq (and even during the worst years of the war fewer Iraqis civilians were dying than under Saddam) were we not saving our neighbors?


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Rob on November 24, 2007 at 05:36 pm

Ron Paul is an employee of Hillary’08. As for troops for Paul, prove it. Now, with actual, serving US military members. Not a bunch of Ron Paul fake assed bullshit.


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2Hotel9 on November 24, 2007 at 05:38 pm
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Funny! Because President Bush never said they were an imminent threat to the US! In fact, he took great pains to point out that if we waited until a threat was “imminent”, we couldn’t prevent future 9/11 type attacks.

Proof, when is it ok to shoot a man, when he is pointing a gun at you, or is it ok to fire because he might get one?

No, you must wait until the attack is imminent.

And you know.. I don’t expect any of you to change your minds about this right now.. it took me years to change mine, but don’t wait until its too late.

BTW, yes, Paul will beat Hillary. She is campaigning against, and you hear her speak often of “this administrations failures”. She will get the anti-war vote just as John Kerry did..

..However if we run Paul then we strip her of her biggest weapon, and we take a sizable portion of her anti-war base. He is also favorable on immigration and that is the second biggest issue out there. Paul is honest and humble, where Hillary is deceitful and power hungry. Paul answers questions even if his view may be unpopular you always know where he stands on the issues. (much like Reagan) Hillary hides her views in double speak, its hard to clarify her view on any issue at all.

I’m not sure exactly how Hillary would attack Paul, his vote record is impeccable and he has been saying the same things for the past 30 years.

I think Paul could not only rebuke Hillary’s socialist programs but educate people as to why they are dangerous. I think he could win, his biggest challenge wont be her, it will be with the deep red warhawk Republicans out their and their shrinking base.

I’m going to take off, but please do some soul searching out there guys, dont sell your beliefs for a war we shouldn’t even be fighting in the first place.

“Iraq should take care of Iraq.” - Tom Tancredo

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Proof, when is it ok to shoot a man, when he is pointing a gun at you, or is it ok to fire because he might get one?

The nature of your question indicates that either you don’t understand the question or are being intentionally obtuse. Which is it? Reductio ad absurdum ill becomes you!

I’m not sure exactly how Hillary would attack Paul, his vote record is impeccable (don’t you mean “invisible”?)and he has been saying the same things (and not doing anything!) for the past 30 years.



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Proof on November 24, 2007 at 06:05 pm
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’Ron Paul is an employee of Hillary’08. As for troops for Paul, prove it. Now, with actual, serving US military members. Not a bunch of Ron Paul fake assed bullshit.’

Ron Paul is a 30 year congressional veteran. He cannot be bought out by lobbyists, in fact that is why they avoid him. Hitlary is a socialist, it will ruin our economy to the point of the middle class will be entirely destroyed. The thing I admire the most about Ron Paul is that he does what is right, not what will gain him favors. In other words the GOP would have to be insane NOT to put Ron Paul as their nominee.

I was at the Philly Rally, and if you watch the videos of that day (there are a lot floating on youtube) you will see a lot of veterans there, some brought to tears and waving flags in the air!
Understand that there is a large swelling of grassroots support for the man. He literally saved HUNDREDS of these heroes lives when he was drafted into the Air Force. This is no ‘Ron Paul Bullshit’, like I said before, he IS the real deal.

Even in the ultra-biased polls Ron Paul polls higher than Hillary when polled against each other. In a recent blind poll where the issues where put next to each other Ron Paul won with over 30% of the votes against all other Republicans.

Tim on November 24, 2007 at 07:01 pm

Herr Doktor has no record, and is not a leader of anything. He is a zero, and has always been a zero. The only way he can be anything is by getting Hillary into the White House. Just as Ross Perot got Willie Jeff in. And Ronny should read a bit of history, cause Hillie will renege just like Willie Jeff did.


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2Hotel9 on November 24, 2007 at 07:04 pm

This,"Only one Republican would not only aim to kill all of the current socialist programs in America, but also make it impossible for them to create new ones.. and I think we all know who that is..” is the money shot. You admit that Ron Paul is the socialist alternative to Hillary. Too funny, you moron.


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2Hotel9 on November 24, 2007 at 07:22 pm

timmie, in that 30 years what has Herr Doktor ever done?


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2Hotel9 on November 24, 2007 at 07:26 pm
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he was drafted into the Air Force.

A draftee? Figures!



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Proof on November 24, 2007 at 07:29 pm
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The nature of your question indicates that either you don’t understand the question or are being intentionally obtuse. Which is it? Reductio ad absurdum ill becomes you!

Well, you attack how I make an argument but not the the argument itself. Maybe your running out of ideas, ehh?

If you are correct, then apparently you would be able to describe in detail for everyone here why I am wrong when I say I don’t believe it is ok to kill someone who is not an imminent threat.

As men can not give government rights they do not possess themselves, neither can they attack those who are not an imminent threat.

You deny this is logical and sound reasoning?

This,"Only one Republican would not only aim to kill all of the current socialist programs in America, but also make it impossible for them to create new ones.. and I think we all know who that is..” is the money shot. You admit that Ron Paul is the socialist alternative to Hillary. Too funny, you moron.

Mumm hmm.. you got some tip top reading and comprehension skills there 2Hotel9. Yet another star pupil from our public education system. :: sigh ::

Paul was drafted and then he one up’ed and went back. In 30 years Ron Paul has been practically the only person standing up for your rights and your freedom. Why are you so egger to have government “do stuff”? I think they do far too much already. Whats wrong with you people. Did Ronald Reagan not say nine most dangerous words in the English language are “I’m from the government and I’m here to help.”?

“Congress shall pass no law..” and sometimes I think they should have stopped writing the Constitution there.

JayDee on November 24, 2007 at 07:50 pm

As far as I know, no one was “drafted” into the Air Force.  One was drafted into the Army, and then could choose another branch of the service.


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robert108 on November 24, 2007 at 08:17 pm
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Yes, I believe they sent him a draft letter for the Army and he had the option to enlist as a flight surgeon in the Air Force or as private in the Army.

His bio says:

Dr. Paul’s medical training was interrupted when he was drafted during the Cuban Missile Crisis into the United States Air Force. He served as a flight surgeon out of Kelly Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas, from 1963 to 1965, attending to the ear, nose and throat problems of pilots. He remained in the military during the early years of the Vietnam War. Paul’s active duty service took him to countries such as South Korea, Iran, Ethiopia and Turkey. He then served in the Air National Guard from 1965 to 1968 while completing his medical residency in Pittsburgh. He achieved rank of captain during his service in the Air Force, and obtained his private pilot’s license.

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If you are correct, then apparently you would be able to describe in detail for everyone here why I am wrong when I say I don’t believe it is ok to kill someone who is not an imminent threat.

You are confused! (But I speak the obvious!) There is a difference between nations and individuals. (Duh!) As long as you choose to confuse the two, you shall remain unenlightened.
At the risk of being accused of neo-connery (as opposed to Sean, whom I’m told I resemble!), was Israel wrong to bomb Iraq’s nuclear facility at Osirak to prevent them from building an atomic bomb? Or should they have waited until Iraq had built the bombs, loaded them onto planes and launched them towards Israel before they acted?

Or would that be premature? Perhaps Israel should have waited until Iraq actual dropped the bombs? No, no, no! They should have waited until the bombs actually hit and exploded! Then, they would have the moral rectitude you feel we lacked?



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BTW, I believe it is quite possible that someone may have died at Osirak that day!



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Ah good old Israel our buddies in the middle east, yea we need them like a hole in the head. But that’s what it’s all about Israel isn’t it?

Iraq posses no threat to the United States, but our little buddy that sunk our USS Liberty will fight with all our blood to the last American dies.

Iran’s Ahmadinejad threatens to blow Israel off the map, Correction Ahmadinejad never made such a statement, does it matter? No, Iran is now our, Correction, Israels new threat.

Let them blow each other off the map, but let them do it without a penny of mine going to them from foreign aid. What the hell should I care about what goes on over there?

I’m not a globalist, I’m not a member of AIPAC, I’m not a member of the CFR or any other un-Patriotic organizations. I’m a citizen of the United States and the United States comes first for me.

What hand picked puppet have you decided to root for all you Israel Firsts?

If I were in power, I would propose a bill that would prevent anyone who is a natural born citizen, having dual citizenship from holding office. How many of you will scream anti-Semite about that?

I guess that’s enough fun for me here tonight.

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I should have been more thorough, on that dual citizenship thing, but I’m sure you all know that I would excluded them smile from holding any political office.

WETBACK on November 24, 2007 at 11:04 pm

Let me get this straight. Ron Paul, a doctor, was drafted? Right.

I notice that none of you moron paulettes has yet listed a single thing he has DONE during 28 years in Congress.


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2Hotel9 on November 24, 2007 at 11:28 pm
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You are confused! (But I speak the obvious!) There is a difference between nations and individuals. (Duh!) As long as you choose to confuse the two, you shall remain unenlightened.

When you say that your.. basically saying that the state somehow magically can obtain more power than the individual. That’s not very conservative of you to think that as we believe god grants men individual rights, god does not grant kings and governments any power at all. Government power comes from us, so its preposterous to attempt to say man can empower government with a right to kill.

Governments have no right to kill, they have no right to steal, and they have no right to enslave, it doesn’t matter if people vote to make it legal (and often in history they do) because no amount of support can make actions like that morally just. History is full of empires empowered by good men who believed that government is somehow superior and can steal and murder because they declare they have the power to do so.

At the risk of being accused of neo-connery (as opposed to Sean, whom I’m told I resemble!), was Israel wrong to bomb Iraq’s nuclear facility at Osirak to prevent them from building an atomic bomb? Or should they have waited until Iraq had built the bombs, loaded them onto planes and launched them towards Israel before they acted?

Or would that be premature? Perhaps Israel should have waited until Iraq actual dropped the bombs? No, no, no! They should have waited until the bombs actually hit and exploded! Then, they would have the moral rectitude you feel we lacked?

This is you proof that I am wrong about our unjust war? Wouldn’t you say Israel is somewhat more just than we are in that circumstance? At least they had a real target and a real threat.. where is our target and threat?

I believe to compare it, you would have to say that Israel believed it was a nuclear facility but in reality it wasn’t. Would they be just in that circumstance? No, I don’t think there is any way you can say they would be.

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When you say that your (sic).. basically saying that the state somehow magically can obtain more power than the individual.

magically

When you stop getting your political wisdom from the Lucky Charms leprechaun, maybe then you’ll be enlightened!
It’s not a matter of whether it is conservative, it is a matter of fact that the state has more power than an individual. (Double duh!)What? Are you terminally stupid?
The nature of your reply indicates that either you don’t understand the question or are being intentionally obtuse. Which is it? Reductio ad absurdum ill becomes you!
(Or maybe you are just absurd?)



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Who can grant government the right to kill Proof?

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This is you (sic)proof that I am wrong about our unjust war?

No, that was an example of why your analogies don’t hold water!

god does not grant kings and governments any power at all.

Is this your little “g” Lucky Charms god, or the God of the Bible?
So when the Bible says governments are ordained by God, that does not grant them any power? 
Romans 13:1-4 :

1Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

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Who can grant government the right to kill Proof?

God. Verse four.

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God. Verse four.

Proof, there is no such thing as a right to kill, its a trick question. You only have the right to defend yourself from an attacker.

You would do much better attempting to argue that Iraq was a threat then to attempt to argue that government has some sort of god given tyrannical power to do whatever it pleases.

I think you need to come to grips with the fact that you are an authoritarian. You don’t really believe in unalienable individual rights. Don’t feel bad though.. your not the first.

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Government power comes from us, so its (sic) preposterous to attempt to say man can empower government with a right to kill.

The only thing truly preposterous here are your arguments! smile



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there is no such thing as a right to kill, its a trick question.

If by “right” you mean “authority” or “ordination”, your argument is not with me, but with God!
It is a trick question only insofar as your ignorance of Scripture, Judeo-Christian tradition and our Constitutional government is abysmal.



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I think you need to come to grips with the fact that you are an authoritarian. You don’t really believe in unalienable individual rights. Don’t feel bad though.. your (sic) not the first.

I think you need to come to grips with the fact that you are a twit, who wouldn’t know an authoritarian if it bit you on the ass! You really don’t know your ass from a hole in the ground. Don’t feel bad though.. you’re not the first.



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Poof, give it up, when you have to go dig out the Bible and say it gives governments rights to kill, everyone knows you have lost.

Did God give rights to Hitler so he could kill?  Did God give rights to Bush so he could kill?  Did God give rights to Saddam so he could kill? 

Seems you think God wants everyone to go around killing everyone, that is not the God in thte Bible.

Is this what your church is teaching you?

Guest on November 25, 2007 at 01:49 am

Funny watching JayDee and others claim that Saddam Hussien wasn’t an “imminent threat”.

He was only a murderous dictator with a proven record, but wasn’t an “imminent threat”.

We’ll just put that in the BS basket alongside “no threat”.

likwidshoe on November 25, 2007 at 02:42 am

Proof: You have to realize that to lefties, “right” means “entitlement”.  Now you can understand its way of thinking on this subject.


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robert108 on November 25, 2007 at 09:23 am
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Funny watching JayDee and others claim that Saddam Hussien wasn’t an “imminent threat”.

An “imminent threat” to who?

Robert108: You call Ron Paul supporters “lefties” while Ron Paul calls your Republican leaders “lefties.”

Where within Ron Paul’s platform have you drawn this “lefty” connection?

en·ti·tle·ment

–noun
1.  the act of entitling.
2.  the state of being entitled.
3.  the right to guaranteed benefits under a government program, as Social Security or unemployment compensation.

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Ron Paul is an employee of Hillary’08.

2Hotel9: Seriously, what potential voters is Hillary’s conspiracy theory plot taking away? What percentage of Ron Paul supporters would vote at all, if Ron Paul is not on the ballot?

What good are they? their all

Crazy, Racist, anti-semitic, etc, Lefties, fascist, Nazis, commies, etc, 911 Conspiracy theory, any Conspiracy theory, nut jobs and terrorists right?

But it’s great how you suggesting that Hillary planted a real sincere Republican Conservative in the mix as a means of sabotage smile

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when you have to go dig out the Bible and say it gives governments rights to kill, everyone knows you have lost.

At 11:35PM, you brought God into the argument:

god does not grant kings and governments any power at all. Government power comes from us, so its preposterous to attempt to say man can empower government with a right to kill.

An hour later, I proved you wrong from the document the Founders took to be the Revelation from God.
Now, you say I’ve lost the argument because I refuted your lame theological argument with solid theological proof, you want to change the terms of the argument.
Frankly, I’d want to change the argument, too, had I started out on such a weak, lame, untenable position as you staked out for yourself!
Everyone knows I’ve lost? Everyone knows you’re a lightweight twit who can’t even win the argument when you set the terms yourself!

BTW, I didn’t “dig out the Bible” to find the argument, I wanted to make sure I quoted it correctly. Something that someone like you, with a penchant for ignoring facts, logic and reason, might not understand!  Have a nice life!



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Proof on November 25, 2007 at 11:21 am
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I apologize to JayDee: The twit Guest bravely stepped up and appeared to continue your arguments.

Rob: Could you get rid of that “blockhead” avatar? It makes all the blockheads look alike!



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Proof on November 25, 2007 at 11:24 am
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Ron Paul is an employee of Hillary’08.

2Hotel9: Seriously, what potential voters is Hillary’s conspiracy theory plot taking away? What percentage of Ron Paul supporters would vote at all, if Ron Paul is not on the ballot?

This is just a scare tactic they use, as Ron Paul is the one taking votes away from Hillary by the thousands and they don’t like it.

They are in the state of denial when it comes to Ron Paul, you can see it over and over as the pump out the same garbage.

Guest on November 25, 2007 at 11:35 am
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Just wait for Poof to point out

the (sic) pump out the same garbage

instead of actually taking on the real guts of Ron Paul. 

They are pathetic

Guest on November 25, 2007 at 11:42 am
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instead of actually taking on the real guts of Ron Paul.

Perhaps Guest would like to take the Ron Paul challenge? Causing Ron Paul supporters to wet themselves and run in fear since August 9th?

I’ve been waiting for months for someone to come up with something more than

“taking the regulatory whatchamacallit out of the Know Your Customer legislation!”



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Proof on November 25, 2007 at 12:04 pm
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BTW, PolterGuest: I point out the many, many, many spelling and grammar errors of liberals because
1) It’s a target rich environment and
2) In case you’re not impenetrably ignorant, you might have hope of improving yourselves!



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Proof on November 25, 2007 at 12:08 pm
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Is this what your church is teaching you?

Note, too, I brought up no church. Would you care to explain to us the plain meaning of the passage in Romans I quoted?
Or doesn’t your church teach you to read the Scriptures and think for yourself?



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Proof on November 25, 2007 at 12:15 pm
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Again, the same old garbage, take the Ron Paul Challenge, nothing original.  This again goes to the denial stage and how they have to use negative propaganda against Ron Paul.

Republicans and Democrats have gone so far out of main stream that when Ron Paul tries to get something done, the Republicans and Democrats run to votes instead of what is right for the country.  But, they can sit and complain about what is wrong with the country all day long and not try to fix it.

Stuff your Ron Paul Challenge up your arse, poof, after all that is what a poof would do.

At least this Honorable man has been trying to do the right thing for years, you sitting around and complaining about it does nothing at all.

If a wise man says to do something right and the fool gets people behind him to override the wise man, Does that make the wise man wrong?

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take the Ron Paul Challenge, nothing original.

Change your shorts, PolterGuest! How fast CAN you run from the question???

trying to do the right thing for years,

Name one, if you can! Or stuff your baloney up your arse! Put up or shut up, putz!



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Proof on November 25, 2007 at 12:30 pm
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Note, too, I brought up no church. Would you care to explain to us the plain meaning of the passage in Romans I quoted?
Or doesn’t your church teach you to read the Scriptures and think for yourself?

You would like to hook me on that one, but I have already pointed out that when one has to use the Bible to tell people it is right for governments to kill, you have already lost.

I will never lose to a fool such as you; I have truth on my side, not some political propaganda.

The truth, the light and the way.

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how they have to use negative propaganda against Ron Paul.

We don’t have to use negative ”propaganda" against Paul, because Ron Paul’s own supporters have nothing positive to say!

Change your yellow shorts and answer the Ron Paul challenge, or forever be acknowledged as the lightweight, Hillary-loving, novices who can’t argue your way out of a paper bag!

Gutless!



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Proof on November 25, 2007 at 12:34 pm
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You would like to hook me on that one,

Meh! Lightweight! You have the “truth” but you are ignorant of or afraid of answering plain Scripture? Meh!

I will never lose to a fool such as you

No, because you lost before you ever entered the ring!
Pathetic non-answer! Loser! Go have your mama change your nappies!



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BTW, PolterGuest, any time you want to weigh in on the topic of this post: Ron Paul’s own words saying the greatest threat to the nation is our military and our use of force, not jihadists flying planes into buildings, just jump right in!

(yeah! That’s gonna happen!)



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Proof on November 25, 2007 at 12:48 pm
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Name one, if you can! Or stuff your baloney up your arse! Put up or shut up, putz!

Another hook with name calling added typical of you, I will name one if you can name one thing he has done you do not like.  Can you name something that would be considered non-conservative or non-Republican to the majority of Republicans?

After all, if he has not done anything, you should not be able to point out he has done anything wrong.

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I will name one if you can name one thing he has done you do not like.

Oh, puh-leeeease! You, a Ron Paul supporter cannot name one single thing Ron Paul has done unless someone else can come up with a negative!

When you get to that Scripture about Jesus spewing the lukewarm out of His mouth...write that down! You’ll need it later! smile

That’s like telling your wife (or in your case, your hand ) you’d tell her how much you loved her if she would only tell you one thing she doesn’t like about herself! (Snort!)

Do I dictate your likes and dislikes? (That’s a rhetorical question, btw!) Off the top of my head, I can tell you what I like about my favorite food, my favorite dog, my favorite movie. You can’t tell me ONE THING your favorite candidate has done unless you get some political cover.

If that’s the depth of Ron Paul’s support, he’s lost already!
Oh, I forgot! He already has! (My bad!)



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I will name one if you can name one thing he has done you do not like.

That’s just it! He hasn’t DONE ANY THING! That’s my problem with Paul! He talks a good fight, but

he’s all hat and no cattle!



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Proof on November 25, 2007 at 01:05 pm
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BTW, PolterGuest, any time you want to weigh in on the topic of this post: Ron Paul’s own words saying the greatest threat to the nation is our military and our use of force, not jihadists flying planes into buildings, just jump right in!

(yeah! That’s gonna happen!)

Now there is a hook I would like to dig in on.  Ron Paul is speaking out against the policy of the Bush Administration’s use of the military.  You seem to think we should be in Iraq because Saddam was a mass murderer and he was giving money to people to hurt other people.

News Flash, Saddam is dead.

We have yet to see the blowback from our actions that the Bush administration has taken.

You also have used the argument that Islamics want to kill us all. I suppose I am an Islamic supporter now, a terrorist that supports them.

Newsflash: This war in Iraq is not going to get rid of your hatred for Islamics.  The war will not kill a religion; it’s been tried in the past.

So Ron Paul supports a different way other than what the Bush administration does big deal.

Ron Paul would bring our Military home and protect us here pumping the military dollars into our economy and not other countries. This would bring our military home and closer to family and not in hostile lands policing the world.  And this is a bad thing why?  Even bush ran on a humble foreign policy, He is doing the same thing.

Ron Paul would build up our military to be stronger than it is now.

You just overlook the real Ron Paul and try to smear him like the propaganda main stream media is doing.  They just want Hillary in office.

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You just overlook the real Ron Paul and try to smear him…

...with all those inconvienient facts!

...like the propaganda main stream media is doing.  They just want Hillary in office.

Yeah! Just like me! I want Hillary Diane Rodham Milhous Clinton in office! Yeah. Right! /sarcasm

News Flash, Saddam is dead.

News Flash: Saddam died after a trial that would not have been possible without the intervention of the US military!

So Ron Paul supports a different way other than what the Bush administration does big deal.

Yes, my eager, if ignorant young friend! A very big deal!
Unfortunately, you don’t get it!



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Proof on November 25, 2007 at 01:29 pm
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cherry pick cherry pick, are you sure you are not an illegal alien?  They do that from what I hear, lol

Ron Paul would bring our Military home and protect us here pumping the military dollars into our economy and not other countries. This would bring our military home and closer to family and not in hostile lands policing the world.  And this is a bad thing why?  Even bush ran on a humble foreign policy, He is doing the same thing.

Ron Paul would build up our military to be stronger than it is now.

Do you have anything to say about that? Did I just not post that?

What does one have to get an answer out of you, are you a politician?

Should we be building military bases in Iraq the size of the Vatican and run bases all over the world or building up our military at home?  Let’s close down Minot Air force Base and Grand Forks base and open them up in Iraq and other countries. (Now that makes no sense) but you probably support it.

We are in over 155 countries around the world, Ron Paul wants to bring our forces home and protect and help our economy. What other candidate is talking so much sense?

Military is not Ron Pauls weak point, it is his strong point as the economy is most likely going to be #1 on peoples minds going to the polls.

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We are in over 155 countries around the world, Ron Paul wants to bring our forces home and protect and help our economy. What other candidate is talking so much sense?

None! And we can thank God (or whatever deity you subscribe to) for that! smile



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Proof on November 25, 2007 at 02:24 pm
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None! And we can thank God (or whatever deity you subscribe to) for that! 

You had better get with your Neoconservative masters and find an answer better than that or just go donate now to

http://ronpaul2008.com/donate

save you some trouble

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You had better get with your Neoconservative masters

Knew it! These retard retreads can’t go fifty words without using the term ”neocon” and using it incorrectly!

He would have failed the challenge anyway! No game! No brains! Typical!



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Proof on November 25, 2007 at 02:43 pm
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Haha, good, lets see you tell the world yet again what a Neoconservative is.

Come on now, call me a jew hater and the such.

spare no rod.

let the people see how much of a joke you realy ar.

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let the people see how much of a joke you realy ar.

Autobiographical! Cute!


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Proof on November 25, 2007 at 03:04 pm
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let the people see how much of a joke you realy (sic) ar (sic).

Autobiographical! Cute!

You had better tell your mom to go out and buy a pooper scooper to pick up the trail that came out of your pants on that one.

That would be a typical response from you, anyone can insult someone. You bring no intelligent thought to the table at all.

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You bring no intelligent thought to the table at all.

More autobiography? And still nothing about Paul’s accomplishments! Too much to hope for, I suppose!

BTW, thanks for correcting your own grammatical and spelling errors. (We all knew you couldn’t be that be a fool!)



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Let me see...OBL was encouraged by the Clinton retreat from Somalia. You don’t suppose his ilk would see the retreat from 155+ countries around the world as abject surrender, do you? No. I don’t suppose you would!



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Proof on November 25, 2007 at 03:32 pm
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Standing up against a runaway government is the biggest and most patriotic thing one can ever do, you just do not get it.

typical

Guest on November 25, 2007 at 03:32 pm
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Standing up against a fool like you is less rewarding, but people do need to see you are a fool.

As poof goes and digs up things I have said that were insulting to him to dogg me.

Lets see if he posts them.

I should dig up all the stuff he has not challenged me on and just insulted me.

you all can look up ^^^^^^^^^^^ its in the previous posts.

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Polterguest: Noisy one! I would dig up the dreck you’ve posted for what reason?? I may repeat your nonsense once, but I would not waste my time with you otherwise!
You cannot come up with any substantive action, legislation or anything Ron Paul has done on the public payroll for the last twenty years!
Until you do, you’re just another Ronbot!

Is it insulting to say you’re a Ron Paul supporter? I agree with you! If I were you, I wouldn’t want to be associated with him either! But facts are such miserable things to ignore and yet, you do it so well!



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Proof on November 25, 2007 at 03:49 pm