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Sunday, November 05, 2006

Ted Haggard will sleep well tonite

The glee on the part of the godless left with the fall of Ted Haggard is understandable. High Profile, successful, honored, trusted, respected and the kind of man people nearly can fall into worship of Sins in Spades and gets found out.

Of course that’s the good part of being the godless left. You don’t HAVE to maintain or live up or down to anything. Just do whatever you like and let er rip. No one outs them, they are all out. Down and Out but Out none the less. NO standards means no sin or evil counts for or against you. Just do whatever seems right to you. It’s ok there is no God.

I try to live my life with integrity and who I am. I try not to put on an act. I do sometimes but for the most part I yam who I yam.

The problem with spiritual greatness real or imagined is that you must live a life which no man or woman can ever really live. Only one man ever did and they crucified him. Oh a few poets, a few poor preachers, a few artists get close. But most of us are very flawed.

The fault isn’t Haggard’s per se. It the environment which doesn’t allow for transparency.

He must have often screamed inside, “I’m a horrid sinner, I need help, help me”. But he had too much to lose. The world, the flesh and the devil had him in bondage. And he had no one in his life he trusted enough to tell the truth to. No one he could confide in. THERE is the real crime.

I walk in Pentecostal circles. Many major leaders in these circles live pretty lavish lifestyles. They live pretty high on the hog. Caddys Rolls’s and who knows what.

That’s not true of all. Pastor Schmidgall of Calvary Church who earned a decent but not extraordinary salary lived in the same simple house for 30 years, drove 5 year old used cars, and didn’t take a lot of lavish vacations till the day he died. He always parked the furthest from the door on Sunday mornings so visitors could find a place. His successor now earns nearly 4 times what he did. I’ll bet he has a dedicated parking place.

Pastor Dan of First Assembly never TOOK a salary till the day he died. Oh, they paid him one, but he saw to it that it all went back. Not many people know this. He made money on the side buying and selling vehicles, stocks, and a few other investments. His successor will earn double what Pr Dan did or more.

I want the men of God in my life to make good money. I want them to live comfortably. I don’t want them to starve. But, when you reach a level of “Prosperity” as Ted Haggard did the need to keep the mask on and avoid transparency is driven by the fear of loss of lifestyle. So, I would rather that the men of God I associate with live fasted lifestyles by choice. I don’t have to worry about them so much. This is not a keep the preacher poor theology but the deceitfulness of riches can destroy anyone.

Well, Ted and his wife will now go thru a radical lifestyle change. The big house will go away. It’s over. I hope the marriage survives but the record on this is poor.

For what? I don’t get it. Meth and Gay Sex?

Neither does the pagan left. The cynicism they have shown is pure and unbridled hypocrisy. The glee they show at this says more about them then anyone.

Would I like to be in well-paid full time ministry? Sometimes. Mostly not. No one can fire me but Jesus. I can tell anyone the truth. I’m dangerous. I care too much about the kingdom of God to allow things to go too far. I have nothing to hide. I’m flawed. I am sometimes sinful. But, I know in whom I have believed.

I suspect Haggard does too. I’ll bet tonight will be the best night of sleep he has had in a long time. The pressure’s off. Yes, his former life is over, I don’t know about his marriage. But this is a warning shot across the bow. Judgment begins in the house of the Lord.

Boy did it.

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I’m not a big fan of the evangelical faiths.  It’s a personal thing to me.  I think a lot of what they believe is silly, but that’s just a personal thing.

What I find rather sad is the way the media is now trying to smear the entire evangelical faith with the actions of Haggard.  He had a major personal failure, but he’s just one guy.  Haggard’s actions are no more an indictment of evangelism than Limbaugh’s drug problems were an indictment of conservatism.


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Rob on November 5, 2006 at 07:01 pm

Or Teddy Kennedy’s killing Mary Jo Kopechne an indictment of the Democrat Party.


Save America; boycott the MSM.

robert108 on November 5, 2006 at 07:46 pm
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The fault isn’t Haggard’s per se. It the environment which doesn’t allow for transparency.

I’m not sure I get you there. ..what do you mean by transparency? ..are you blaming the church?

aNONOMISLY on November 6, 2006 at 04:54 am

I’m not blaming the church per se.  I’m blaming the idea that many Church members have and many church leaders have that doesn’t allow for hard questions.  That somehow hopes others are living right.

I think the day of the superstar in the church will come to an end, as it should.  The questions every church leader at every level needs to be asked of those to whom he or she is responsible are:

Have you committed or are you commiting any sin about
which you have not discussed with us today?

Sins of Flesh, Money, Sex, Drugs, etc.  Fill in the blanks.

If the answer is yes, it’s time to get it behind you, if the answer is no, the last question is:

Are you or have you lied to us today?

I know that won’t root out all of it, but it’s a lack of the fear of God that causes a man Like Haggard to drift so far.

No I don’t blame the church and then I do some.

Hope that’s clear.


[b]Old Tigers are more dangerous when they believe this could be their last hunt.

From , “The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen”
Old tigers, sensing the end,
they’re at their most fierce. 
And they go down fighting.

Gene on November 6, 2006 at 05:33 am

I resent and stand in firm opposition to the crap that you (Gene) foment concerning a godless left. Shame on you for casting your filthy lies out into the world. You say “I walk in Pentecostal circles”, that is patently obvious.  Get out more pal, you are in for a big surprise. For the right wing nut cases to lay claim to a Jesus disgust me to the core of my being. After the revelations of David Kuo, it is staggering that any “Christian” would ever pledge allegiance to this new gop ever again.

Have a nice tomorrow.


Excuse me, you were saying?


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realitybasedbob on November 6, 2006 at 06:03 am
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Cristal clear in that the “environment” part.  But I still think Haggard is entirely and directly/intrinsically at fault for what his actions; there’s no blaming anyone/anything else for it more than him.

The only thing you can really blame the church for is for not having found him out sooner, and even that would be somewhat of a stretch. (..it may be that Haggard by nature is more physically attracted to men than he is to women, that the hole church thing was his Foleyish way of dealing with it, .. and you can’t really blame anyone else for that ..just as you can’t blame Congress for Foley’s actions)

aNONOMISLY on November 6, 2006 at 06:05 am

that the hole church thing

LOL


Excuse me, you were saying?


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realitybasedbob on November 6, 2006 at 06:07 am
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..even if the system has its flaws, the system didn’t make him do it.

aNONOMISLY on November 6, 2006 at 06:12 am

More crap from a god hogging wingnut:

“If you live your life and don’t confess your sins to God almighty through the authority of Christ and his blood, I’m going to say this very plainly, you’re going straight to hell with a nonstop ticket,”

Texas gop gov Perry

“He doesn’t think very differently from the Taliban, does he?” independent Kinky Friedman said.


Excuse me, you were saying?


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realitybasedbob on November 6, 2006 at 07:55 am
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Gene

There are a lot of moral good kind caring people of integrity on both sides of the conservative/liberal dividing line and in both of the political parties. 

When you categorize the entire ‘left’ as ‘godless’ or ‘pagan’, you do a disservice to those who are working for what they believe is the right thing with just as much passion as you work for what you believe is right. 

You try to live your life with intergrity?  Well, so do I.  And I am a liberal Democrat and I will not even expose myself to the wrath from you that revealing my religious beleives would bring.  Most people on both sides are trying to live their lives with intrity and the intergrity of a lot of Democrats and liberals of the left is based on a Christian belief system.  You got no monopoly on Jesus!

Such nastiness is divisive and will lead to no good for anyone.  You can make good points without resorting to such labels and names.

goprairie on November 8, 2006 at 06:22 pm
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