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If she is found guilty ... will the school will be reimbursed? Yeah.. Big NO!
Wouldn’t it be smarter to withhold her pay until the investigation is over?

Innocent until proven guilty?

Yes, I agree Lestat. If she’s not guilty she gets her money. No other business would keep paying for someone that isn’t able to show up to work.
She can always be reinstated and receive her back pay.

No other business would keep paying for someone that isn’t able to show up to work.
She can always be reinstated and receive her back pay.

Looks like the School district went into CYA mode and suspended her with pay pending investigation. Looks like a good choice too given that if it turns out the charges are false most states won’t allow for a minor to be dragged into court and sued. Besides, just how butt ugly would those kids have to be if THAT is the best they could find to nail?

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

...she kinda looks like Meatloaf back in the days when “Bat Outta Hell” was released.

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

Funny how these things don’t make the mainstream news like if it were being committed by a priest.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Funny how these things don’t make the mainstream news like if it were being committed by a priest.

AHHH, but this case involves heterosexual child molestation, those filthy religious zealots are involved in homosexual child molestation, but the MSM supports liberal views and accepts homosexuality. Clear as mud yet?

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

Without income, how is this woman supposed to defend herself?  She is indeed innocent until proven guilty.

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“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

If she worked for private industry the employer would have fired her for molesting a child on company time.

The burden of proof for an employer is drastically different than for a criminal court.

Without income, how is this woman supposed to defend herself?

Not the taxpayers responsibility to continue to support her.  That being said everyone gets a lawyer.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Innocent until proven guilty?
Lestat

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Without income, how is this woman supposed to defend herself?  She is indeed innocent until proven guilty.
pparets

I believe the legal concept is called “due process”. Hence my first comment suggesting the school district correctly went into CYA mode. If the charges turn out to be true then as Anna clearly feels, throw the book at the woman. However, if the charges turn out to be false it will take years, if ever for the woman to recover from the damages to reputation not to mention employability in the future. The last thing this society needs is another permanent welfare recipient, this time provided by the state due to it’s lack of due diligence.

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

The burden of proof for an employer is drastically different than for a criminal court.

True, to an extent. Being white collar, my employer can terminate my employment for any reason it chooses at any time. However, if the reason for termination mentions due to legal charges, for which I am later exonerated in court, guess who’s going to create a severe negative impact on said companies year end numbers.

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

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Whistler:  So you know that she did this?  Wow, I am impressed.

Do you recall the kids who recently created a false, malicious MY SPACE page about a teacher they were angry at?  They falsely accused him of being a pedophile too.

BTW, private industry does not fire people accused of crimes. They put them on paid leave. They terminate people found guilty of crimes.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

...this is why most companies don’t react in such a way immediately. High profile employees, such as CEO, CFO, ect., will be reassigned to less high profile functions,...then squeezed out quietly generally as it was their choice to move on.

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

BTW, private industry does not fire people accused of crimes. They put them on paid leave. They terminate people found guilty of crimes.

Not entirely true pparets, I work for one that reputation is of the utmost importance. They could, and would terminate employment if company reputation would be harmed. But, as I indicated above, they likely won’t move in that direction unless they’re damned sure their decision is the correct one.

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

Nobody, because you are an at will employee.  Unless they violate a civil rights law, you have no case.

However, this lady is likely under a contract.  She can’t be fired for any reason and likely cannot have her pay suspended.

Funny how these things don’t make the mainstream news like if it were being committed by a priest.

The school isn’t as adept at covering it up as the Catholic church is.

this lady is likely under a contract.  She can’t be fired for any reason and likely cannot have her pay suspended.

Ever read a union employee contract handbook? I have. In fact I keep a copy of the current contract handbook in my desk drawer to review just because I have to occasionally deal with militant union fuckwits that have their heads burried so far up their ass and still live it convinces me that there could be life on frozen methane planets like Uranus.

YES the can be fired. Particularly, this woman could be suspended with pay, and or fired, due to the nature of her job, as she could be considered a menace to the safety of the children she’s employed to teach. But I’m in favor of paid suspension pending further investigation, if guilty, serve the time the court deems appropriate, if not, go back to work.

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

YES the can be fired. Particularly, this woman could be suspended with pay, and or fired, due to the nature of her job, as she could be considered a menace to the safety of the children she’s employed to teach.

I don’t say she can never be fired.  But she probably cannot be fired without cause, an an accusation is not sufficient cause.

Bullshit, you are a liar. The following is exactly what you said.

However, this lady is likely under a contract.  She can’t be fired for any reason and likely cannot have her pay suspended.

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

What I meant by that she “cannot be fired for any reason” was that they must have cause to fire her.

I think we are mostly in agreement about this.

anybody....is Uranus a frozen methane planet?...Anna?

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

I think we are mostly in agreement about this.

FEH, I doubt it. Unless you’re terribly dyslexic I don’t see how you possibly could fuck up the statement you claim wanted to make as badly as you did. But I’m okay with with dyslexia. Having a nice weekend so far, other than dealing with an asshole like me?

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

I don’t see how you possibly could fuck up the statement you claim wanted to make as badly as you did.

Usually when I explain what at will employment is I describe it as “you can be fired for any reason” so when I was talking about not at will employment I just said “you cannot be fired for any reason.

No, you didn’t say that. Do I need to quote you again?

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

so when I was talking about not at will employment I just said “you cannot be fired for any reason.

Jesus friggin’ Christ, does the company you work for have a legal department? And do they know what you’re telling employees?

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

Jesus friggin’ Christ, does the company you work for have a legal department? And do they know what you’re telling employees?

Since I am in private practice as a patent attorney, it usally doesn’t come up.

HEH, Patent att’y. I should have known, I had to put one in his place about 14 years ago, well not the att’y, the guy he represented.

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

...I didn’t put him in his place, Bose, McKinney & Evans did....credit where credit is due

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

Since I am in private practice as a patent attorney, it usally doesn’t come up.

got malpractice insurance?

"we should select our leaders on principle first, electability second.”

A young man whose wisdom far exceeds his years

Just to clarify....an “at will” employee is someone who doesn’t have the property right to the job. Probationary employess, for instance. In many states the county sheriff’s employees are at will employees who serve at the pleasure of the sheriff.

Any civil service or union employees are NOT at will employees. That means their jobs are a property right and cannot be taken without some due process and the right to appeal.

You CANNOT suspend an employee like that without pay until those due process rights are observed. To take away their pay amounts to disciplinary action before the completion of the process.

THAT’S why they have to be suspended with pay until the process is finished.

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Not that it makes what she did any less criminal and reprehensible, but she is not a pedophile; that is someone who has sex with a child that has not yet reached puberty.  That’s even more disgusting, of course, but why not tell the truth; it’s bad enough.

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Two of them were brothers who were students under Jones

No pun intended, I’m thinking…

"Were” being the operative word as they are both probably dead - no doubt crushed to death…