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Thursday, December 06, 2007

Surprising Poll Results from Afghanistan

Rick Moran

StrategyPage.Com points us to a poll taken in Afghanistan that shows widespread support for the presence of US troops but disappointment in the performance of NATO forces overall:

A poll conducted by foreign news organizations found that 72 percent of Afghans approve presence of 55,000 U.S. and NATO troops. But only 68 percent believed the foreign troops were doing a good job.

Not surprisingly, 92 percent of the population opposed the Taliban. Foreign terrorists are opposed by 83 percent of Afghans. About twenty percent of the population is believed to be very conservative, especially in terms of religion. The majority of the population is socially and religiously conservative by Western standards. These is a sharp divide between urban and rural Afghans, and most of the population is still rural.

There are conflicting views on how much progress the Taliban are making in retaking Afghanistan. Some observers may be confusing the drug gangs - who hire Taliban soldiers for security - with Taliban military operations.

The fact is, the Taliban are getting slaughtered on the battlefield wherever they show themselves in any numbers at all:

This year, about 6,000 people died because of the Taliban and al Qaeda violence. That’s actually about the same number as were killed last year. The 55,000 foreign troops suffered 210 dead, while the 100,000 Afghan soldiers and police lost 700 so far this year. Over 4,000 Taliban were killed, plus nearly a thousand civilians. There were also over a thousand people killed because of criminal violence (drug gangs, bandits and warlord or tribal feuds).

The Taliban take heart from the growing reluctance of NATO countries to remain in Afghanistan, partly because of the number of their soldiers killed. To the Taliban, it is a source of pride that, although they lose over ten men for every NATO soldier killed, it is the NATO countries that are likely to falter and flee the battlefield first. The Taliban believe they are carrying out God’s Will, while the NATO nations are a bunch of weak unbelievers.

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Of course, the poll results are only “surprising” because of the lies, half-truths and outright fabrications spewed out by our MSM on a daily basis.  Common sense would yield the same conclusion as this poll.

Comments

Avatar for FlyOnTheWall

...92 percent of the population opposed the Taliban. Foreign terrorists are opposed by 83 percent of Afghans…

So for some 10% of the population the domestic terrorists are just too blaise but a fine import makes the day go smoother? 

Strategy is a great web site.  Their goal is a more effective military and better analysis.  I know their agenda, it’s very straightforward.

FlyOnTheWall on December 6, 2007 at 12:05 pm

Fly, they openly put that agenda out front for all to see! I have cross-refed them for quite a bit of stuff. They have a very good ground sense in non-America aligned countries. As for polls, y’all know where I stand on them, well centered so the stream hits in the middle of the bowl.


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2Hotel9 on December 6, 2007 at 06:03 pm

I’m not sure why I should be surprised at the poll results


"There are different kinds of truths for different kinds of people. There are truths appropriate for children; truths that are appropriate for students; truths that are appropriate for educated adults; and truths that are appropriate for highly educated adults, and the notion that there should be one set of truths available to everyone is a modern democratic fallacy. It doesn’t work.”

Irving Kristol

MikeAdamson on December 6, 2007 at 11:21 pm

Because you have told us endlessly that everybody in Afghanistan hates America and Americans.


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2Hotel9 on December 7, 2007 at 05:04 am

Sorry 2H9 but that would be somebody else.


"There are different kinds of truths for different kinds of people. There are truths appropriate for children; truths that are appropriate for students; truths that are appropriate for educated adults; and truths that are appropriate for highly educated adults, and the notion that there should be one set of truths available to everyone is a modern democratic fallacy. It doesn’t work.”

Irving Kristol

MikeAdamson on December 7, 2007 at 08:03 am
Avatar for FlyOnTheWall

I’m not sure why I should be surprised at the poll results

I’ve heard from various sources over and over taht us being there is creating terrorists.  That therefore this is unwinnable and our actions in Afghanistan and Iraq just make terrorism worse by creating more terrorists. 
My thinking is that the longer regular people in the ME have to hang out with AQ the lower their (AQ) support numbers go.  They love AQ when they hit us.

FlyOnTheWall on December 7, 2007 at 08:21 am

No, Mike, that is you.


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2Hotel9 on December 7, 2007 at 08:51 am
Avatar for FlyOnTheWall

I’m serious here.  Any thoughts on why the Afghanis dislike domestic Taliban terrorists to the tune of 92% but a smaller percentage, 83%, dislike the imported terrorists?

FlyOnTheWall on December 7, 2007 at 10:50 am

2H9...I recognise the inconvenience posed by broader support in the world for action in Afghanistan as opposed to action in Iraq. It is indeed much easier to conflate opposition to the occupation of Iraq with the Taliban rousting and rebuilding efforts occurring in Afghanistan than review the history of what has actually happened in New York and in the Middle East.

In this case, easier equals wrong. Not that there aren’t many who oppose both campaigns...it’s just that I’m not one of them.


"There are different kinds of truths for different kinds of people. There are truths appropriate for children; truths that are appropriate for students; truths that are appropriate for educated adults; and truths that are appropriate for highly educated adults, and the notion that there should be one set of truths available to everyone is a modern democratic fallacy. It doesn’t work.”

Irving Kristol

MikeAdamson on December 7, 2007 at 11:49 am

You have continually harangued us with the “fact” that the entire population of Afghanistan hates Americans and America. Just as we, all of the regulars here, have told you that you are full of shit. A small minority of Afghanis hate America and Americans, the vast majority are at best ambivalent to us. This poll, like all polls, is just so much crap. Ask the exact same people the exact same question next week and you will get a different answer.


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2Hotel9 on December 7, 2007 at 01:43 pm

I searched the site to see if I had ever said such a thing and found zip...your new clean demeanor seems to have frazzled your memory.


"There are different kinds of truths for different kinds of people. There are truths appropriate for children; truths that are appropriate for students; truths that are appropriate for educated adults; and truths that are appropriate for highly educated adults, and the notion that there should be one set of truths available to everyone is a modern democratic fallacy. It doesn’t work.”

Irving Kristol

MikeAdamson on December 7, 2007 at 09:44 pm

You have not only said, repeatedly, that all Afghanis hate America and Americans, but that the world hates America and Americans. Pretend you have not all you want. You have. And will continue to do so.


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2Hotel9 on December 7, 2007 at 10:32 pm
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