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I’ve known some people myself that had so much to live for that killed themselves. 

It isn’t anything that can be understood, bad wiring I guess.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Emile Durkheim wrote the book.

Egoisitic suicide

Anomic suicide
acute and chronic economic anomie, and acute and chronic domestic anomie. Each involved an imbalance of means and needs, where means were unable to fulfill needs.

Suicide

It was assumed.

Bad mistake.

Without knowing more of the intimate details, I would guess that there is a good possibility that the kid was passing himself out in order to feel that buzz. Passing out is often the first taste of a high that people encounter. One kid will learn about it and then spread the word at his school.

It’s more common than you might imagine. Many of these “suicides” were sad accidents.

I say the above as a warning to nalhamid, The Whistler and everybody else that has young kids. It doesn’t matter how much of an angel they are. Talk to them about this one.

I’m much more interested in why the radical Islamics like suicide so much.

"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

The kid was getting high.

This wasn’t a suicide.

*sigh*...Google hits bring ‘em in. Kids LOVE to pass themselves out and they’re going to do it regardless. Since this website has a decent Google rating that brings them in, they might as well know how to do it without totally strangling themselves.

I hate to do this, but here goes: the proper way is to get a soft towel or a sweatshirt, hold it at two ends and wrap it ONLY from the front of the neck to the back. Both hands should be fisted together in the back of the neck and touching. The towel or whatever you’re using should NEVER be wrapped all the way around. It shouldn’t hurt beyond a mild pressure. When you pass out, you’ll naturally release your muscles and allow your brain to get oxygen.

NEVER pull this stunt with a belt and NEVER wrap anything around your neck that isn’t held up with your own muscles. Google around kiddies - so many die from the belt around the neck attached to the bedpost. What a stupid way to go. If you insist on trying this lame-o high, then do it in such a way that uses your own muscles. Let it be said that if you do try this stunt, you’re just asking for trouble. You might as well just go play in traffic instead.

Sorry to hijack this thread nalhamid. The story you posted has all of the markers and the Google juice is sure to bring some young ones around who are looking for methods.

R108

why the radical Islamics like suicide so much.

Altruistic suicide, was a result of too much integration. It occurred at the opposite end of the integration scale as egoistic suicide. Self sacrifice was the defining trait, where individuals were so integrated into social groups that they lost sight of their individuality and became willing to sacrifice themselves to the group’s interests, even if that sacrifice was their own life. The most common cases of altruistic suicide occurred among members of the military.

Everybody Shoots their own Dope

Self sacrifice was the defining trait, where individuals were so integrated into social groups that they lost sight of their individuality and became willing to sacrifice themselves to the group’s interests, even if that sacrifice was their own life.

Just like Marxism.  Sublimate your personal desires to the State.  Like Hillary says: “For the common good”.  Way to go.

"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

I have to agree with lik on this one. Although it’s possible that it was suicide the chances show too much doubt in my view. Kids at this age are naturally selfish and tend to call attention for what they want and not give up. Playing games is what children do ..even dumb ones. HANG ‘EM HIGH!!!!

the fact that kids do that to get high at such young ages is an interesting index of something bad.

i grew up in a rural, cold, and dark place so I have had 6 of my relatively close friends off themselves. two hanged, two shot, a heroin, and a hose in the tailpipe of a car and into the bedroom window, goodnight. two very close friends. its something I could never even wrap my head around, and for good reason. I always found it almost perverse, transparently grasping for anything, when people would attempt to explain or rationalize these various deaths.

Durkheim was smart. Bergson was smart too. Halbwachs is where they meet. You should read one of Halbwachs’ books (’On Collective Memory’, for example), WOOF. He’s very good on the society/identity/memory shit. Esp. for his time. Unfortunately he was killed at Buchenwald.

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

What is your point, nalhamid? Your religion is being used to force people to commit suicide in the Name of God every single day, why no mention of that?

17 suicide bombings in the last 80 hours in 5 countries. And yet you refuse to admit your religion is being used to force people into this. Why is that?

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And yet you refuse to admit your religion is being used to force people into this. Why is that?

You cannot expect any adherent to a religion to speak for the kooks that have (usually only) roughly similar beliefs. Any religion, IMO, can be used to force people to do things like that. Its not the religion. Its the manipulators. You cannot blame the religion, religions are abstract entities - they do not compell anything unless they are preached, read, used to generate action (involving non abstract agents)… If we want to be really technical we can say there is a ‘implied compulsion’ or ‘manifest compulsion’ that Islam has - the objective intended results based on the implied audience… or something like that. It is a particularly insideuous instance of, or realization of, Islam vis-a-vis the Jihadists that is to blame for the suicides. It is not Islam, it is Islam in a specific application, directed to a specific end (suicide, jihad, rape, oppression, oligarchy (a few of which we encourage and are among the most insideous realizations of Islam), et al) by people who are skilled manipulators (clearly, look what they can affect). Again, there is a host of religions that can be applied or realized in a manner that can effect similar ends. History is riddled with these examples, I need not mention instances but I can - the crusades, the ‘military issue’ bible, countless evil things the shintus, jains, sikhs, zoroasters, and on and on. Islam qua religion does not motivate this. Its is the ‘fleshy realization’ of Islam, directed to certain ends, that does. Moreover, Islam can be practiced in a peacable and unharmful manner, a healthy manner even. Again, the examples abound. It is important, in the modern world, not to conflate abstract entities like islam, all the various sorts (the ‘set’ ala math) of people that belong to the extension of the term ‘islam’, and specific examples from within that set (which the extremist jihadis and fundamentalists are). Its important to keep track of what we mean in this respect. This is not an expression of my sympathy for terrorists. It is merely a traditional examination of meaning that acknowledges the extension (the entire set that exemplify the object or term) - intension (concept, meaning, single deployment) ambiguity.

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

spark, show me the religion that is being used to force people to commit suicide in their God’s name. Don’t play at philosophy or semantics.

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show me the religion that is being used to force people to commit suicide in their God’s name

ever heard of Masada? Judas Iscariot? Thich Quang Duc? The nonviolent Jains fast to death as a show of faith. Also sati? What about all the cult kooks here there and everywhere with the koolaid and the black nike jumpsuits? Various maligned realizations of popular religions, all of which forbid suicide. Islam does too. From the Qur’an, ch.4v.29

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YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Eat not up your property among yourselves in vanities: But let there be amongst you Traffic and trade by mutual good-will: Nor kill (or destroy) yourselves: for verily Allah hath been to you Most Merciful!

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

What do you think you are going to gain by defending Islamic Terrorism, spark? Have they threatened you? Are you living under their control?

Islam is the only religion being used to foment suicide bombing. Period. You can continue to lie to yourself, it changes nothing.

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Who did this?
What religion instigated this?

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And whose religion is responsible for this?
Want to venture a guess?

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Or this?

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And another.

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And yet another.

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Now, spark, what is the overarching theme of all this news articles? Got a clue?

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What do you think you are going to gain by defending Islamic Terrorism, spark?

Translation: How come you won’t let me get away with silly generalizations?

Islam is just another religion. All religions are stupid-making. If your sect, group, church, whatever doesn’t seem stupid, its relative. If you know enough, you probably won’t blow yourself up (or risk your life) for a religion, country, or anything besides you family. Various leaders don’t want that amount of education. How would they make war? The suicide that has been instigated by Islam of late is a problem with religion and its stupid-making qualities, not Islam alone. Remember when we celebrated the troop who jumped on the grenade to save his comerades? Imagine you are in Palestine and have no food, no job, no nothing. The thoguht experiment doesn’t work if you don’t love and if you don’t have imagination. Flesh it out with details if that’s what you need for empathy. Imagine your daughter starving, without being educated properly, with permanant health issues resulting. Would you just sit there and watch? Day after day? Unable to do anything that’s not extreme, would you just sit on your hands? There are limited ends available despite an overriding desire to be brave and fight for your family, your neighborhood, your children or grandchildren. The only problem here is a severe lack of smarts and imagination on EVERYONE’S side. If you think Islamic terrorism just happens, without any outside influence… you are under the influence of stupid-makers. Religious people, despite all the talk and trumpets, cannot empathize with other sorts of people for shit - they are chauvinistic cunts - most religions fold into this. Its the educated, wealthier people who often blow themselves up too. Its just ANOThER retarded clash of ideologies - as if there haven’t been 4000 of those for us to learn from already. Remember the crusades? The hordes of christians, ready to die for their god and pride and redemption. But whatever, we get our bullshit propaganda to go and wage war on whatever poor, islamic country we want. You know what? Let’s start ANOTHER WAR or even TWO MORE BEFORE WE FINISH THE LAST TWO. Sweet. Alright! GO America. Dude, it strikes me that if someone came to my neighborhood, they could hardly recruit suicide bombers. The conditions aren’t right, despite there being LOADS OF RELIGION.

But you know, blame whatever you want, its easy… it doesn’t require extended thought, sympathy, imagination, and so forth.

Also, why be hostile to nalhammid? Because he’s a muslim? Because he doesn’t agree with you views exactly? AND YOU THINK THE PROBLEM IS ELSEWHERE? We don’t live in Italy under the fascists - Variety is reality and it is important. Clearly, the trick is to be more inclusive. Many Muslims here in Philly behave, no suicide bombings. How is that? They practice Islam? 20% of the world population is Muslim. I would say, based on that, that the suicide problem is quite isolated. Its just the fact that it gets published everytime that makes it seem widespread. We are talking about a miniscule % here, one that CANNOT MERELY BE CORRELATED TO RELIGION. You think the Chechens are motivated ONLY BECAUSE THEY ARE MUSLIM? If so, you don’t get it.

I am not into simple glossing-overs. Nothing is as simple as any propagandist or newsman will have you believe.

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Ah, sparkless, ever the champion of the underdog be they rapists, murders or terrorists.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

Here,contrast and compare. What element is missing from this article? Need a clue?

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Oh, and you had best do a bit more research on the Chechnya thing. You are leaving out who actually declared independence and was wiped out by Russia.

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And another c&c moment. Any similarity to any of the above articles? Just a tinsy bit?

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You have to hop in the wayback machine and dredge up instances of Christianity being the proponent of suicide. I need only go back 1 minute, at CNN and BBC and Xinhua and Al Jazeera and Agence France Press and AsiaTimes online to find copious examples of Islamic Terrorists using forced suicide. Every single day.

Just got a string of news updates on bloglines. Want me to continue showing your blind bias?

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Here you go, sweety, another.

Lets highlight this one!
“Iran threatens to stage suicide attack in Gulf Region”

“Brigadier General Ali Fahdavi, deputy head of the Revolutionary Guards’ naval forces, was quoted as saying that the Basij militia of the Guards were still powered by Shahid (martyr) Mohammad Hossein Fahmideh and “We can utilize the element of sacrifice-seeking if it’s necessary.”

Sounds just like that Southern Baptist sermon about destroying the Infidels. Not.

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Note, nalhamid remains silent. Its religion is being used to force people to commit suicide in God’s name. No amount equivocating will change this. Only Muslims killing all terrorists and the false mullahs and imams who spread this shit. We can only smack them down when they appear.

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From your link

Earlier, King Abdullah accused Britain of not doing enough in the fight against international terrorism.

Flat out bullshit. S.a. is to blame, significantly.

What do you think you are going to gain by defending Islamic Terrorism, spark?

where have i defended islamic terrorism? Please, show me. All i’ve said is that its the result of stupidity. is that defending it? I have not said it is okay, right, good, or anything like that. The problem I have identified is religion in general. History tells us how much damage all religions can reak. Whether it was five minutes ago or thirty years ago is irrelevant unless its now not the same religion.

What I have said stands. This:

You have to hop in the wayback machine and dredge up instances of Christianity being the proponent of suicide.

gets a big so what. History gives us the examples. All religions can be maligned. THis is my point. You don’t explicitly say it, but if you are arguing with me than you are claiming that only Islam can be used like this. Thats bullshit. If that’s not what you are claiming, then we are not in disagreement.

Again, why is a troop jumping on a grenade different that a muslim blowing himself up (provided he believes it will be of positive benefit to his comerades or family)? Explain the difference, please. Why is one virtuous and one not? Because of the side your on? THat’s folly.

PS - docdave. I am not saying that any of this is ok. I am challenging the bunk assumptions being made. You can take your sniping, thoughtless crap and shove it. nice strawman, Pooch.

ever the champion of the underdog be they rapists

wrong. let me snipe at you out of the blue: always the champion of whatever other people say. you are a fucking sounding board bitch. step upand start thinking for yourself. that’s what I’m doing here. no one has told me to think this. i have not gleaned it from someone else’s lips. you, sir, might as well be a recording machine. playback.

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

You don’t explicitly say it, but if you are arguing with me than you are claiming that only Islam can be used like this. Thats bullshit.

The truth is, only Islam is doing it now.  Your hatred of Christianity, religion in general, and God is well-known, and few of us agree with you on this.  Your continued attempts to equate all religions is BS.

"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

you are a fucking sounding board bitch. step upand start thinking for yourself. that’s what I’m doing here. no one has told me to think this. i have not gleaned it from someone else’s lips. you, sir, might as well be a recording machine. playback.

Hmmm, I seem to have struck a nerve.  No need to resort to obscenities but that seems to be your way. [I’m sure that you will take offense with that statement too.]

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

docdave
I don’t look at obscenities (swear words) like that (negatively). They are only empahsis placeholder. Like italics tags. Meaning, expression, respect, and dialogue have been deemed passe now, replaced with might, the last word, and so forth. ‘Fuck’ issues from mouths all over, young and small, and it is used such so that it no longer has any meaning whatsoever. Many other words experience this phenomenon. Some might feel that freedom is one of those words. It means such a plurality of things that, without qualifying it, it means nothing.

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

terrorism [sic] too. another one of those words. qualify it. apparently some use it to refer to entire religions now.

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

...it means nothing.

Only to you; but then, you’re a moral relativist, so you have no center.

"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

it means nothing.

You fooled me.  I really don’t think one can have a honest discussion with someone who is calling you a ‘fucking sounding board bitch’.  Sort of detracts from whatever point you were trying to make.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

I don’t look at obscenities (swear words) like that (negatively). They are only empahsis placeholder. Like italics tags. Meaning, expression, respect, and dialogue have been deemed passe now, replaced with might, the last word, and so forth. ‘Fuck’ issues from mouths all over, young and small, and it is used such so that it no longer has any meaning whatsoever.

If I am applying the term correctly, that argument is pure sophistry, being that it is dishonest and a terribly flawed position. Words have meaning, if we cannot say exactly what we mean then no one can ever trust us to mean exactly what we say. People often, in your case in almost every comment, resorting to crude expletives appear to be poorly educated, lacking in intelligence and unable to communicate their feelings and ideas with any clarity of meaning.

Or, since I believe you are intelligent and able when you desire to communicate clearly, then your tendency to engage in frequent crude expletives would seem to indicate you are lazy and not really interested in honest and intelligent debate, as it would require some effort on your part.

Or, DocDave did hit a nerve and you are expressing yourself like a schoolyard punk and elementary school dropout with a very limited vocabulary!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Thanks, Neiman.  I couldn’t have said better.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

I know some will hate me for saying this, but this country and indeed much of the world is in love with death. Abortion, euthansia, infanticide, physician assisted suicide, children killing other children at school, going postal and on and on, we have told our children that death is an answer whenever a problem seems overwhelming. We have told them that death is an escape, an eternal absence of all consciousness or a state of being, wherein there is no pain and no consequences forever.

Now this is the part most of you will really hate - this state of affairs is because we, as a nation, have taken the knowledge of and faith in God away as the only real answer to all our problems; and we have removed Him from our daily discussions at home and away, as we have removed the idea that there is a conscious existence in a place of torment if we end our lives without His forgiveness and Salvation. We told God He is personna non grata in the public square and we have told our children by our prohibition of the very mention of God that He is a fantasy, a myth, a crutch for the weak. Thus, there is no longer any real fear of death and it appears to more and more people every day that the only answer to life’s problems is death. Why not die? There is no God, no heaven, no eternal life, in short no real hope!

To stop this epidemic our children need to know that death is not the answer to anything, that the only true answer for our problems is life, more life, abundant life here and in eternity. Otherwise, suicide and murder increasingly seem like a reasonable answer when we cannot cope with our problems. There are consequences to national policy and when we decided in 1962 and increasingly every year since then that God is the enemy of the state, that He is a dangerous delusion, our children begin to act out based on that assumption, and we are killing and/or encouraging them to kill themselves at a very high rate.

It all seems so hopeless, we are born, struggle and often suffer and then we are just food for the worms, human fertilizer; and then we wonder why death seems so attractive to the young.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

We have told them that death is an escape, an eternal absence of all consciousness or a state of being, wherein there is no pain and no consequences forever.

Neiman, you nailed it.  Thanks for making this point.

spark I will continue to smack you in the head with the truth. It is easy, every 1/2 hour my news source feeds belch out another string of proves positive that Islam is being used to force people to commit suicide in the name of God. Deny it all you wish, that makes it no less true.

Apparently you refuse to read these short sentences,"No amount of equivocating will change this. Only Muslims killing all terrorists and the false mullahs and imams who spread this shit. We can only smack them down when they appear.”, why is that?

Your playing at philosophy and semantics is nothing more than evasion of reality. And there are no few Muslims who would punch you in your head and tell you the same thing were you to spin them this little fantasy of your’s.

Nman, yes. The oblique worship of death permeates modern society. It is being used quite overtly in the Muslim world to foment terrorism against the perceived enemies of the Wahabi Deathcult imams and mullahs. Our goal should be to bring about the Islamic Reformation, and to bring some semblence of sanity back to our own culture.

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Neiman

that argument is pure sophistry, being that it is dishonest and a terribly flawed position.

you refer to this:

Meaning, expression, respect, and dialogue have been deemed passe now, replaced with might, the last word, and so forth.

but you are wrong. it is neither dishonest or flawed. look around you. I am not talking about bullshit ideals that you and r108 carry around in your heads. i am talking about reality. you, r108, and the president all evidence this fact readily.  Some people here are judgmental, narrowminded - that precludes at least three of the four I listed above, namely meaning, respect, and dialogue. Blither away, but when it boils down to it you just invoke God and the percieved fact that others are evil. Case in point. Write a novel-sized post, say whatever, it doesn’t change these simple facts.
CAN YOU HONESTLY MAINTAIN THAT SOMETHING AWFUL HASN’T HAPPENED TO MEANING RECENTLY? With all the lying, the manipulation, the buzzwords, the bullshit?
Now terrorism means Islam. Now WMDs mean nothing. Intelligence means stupidity. Freedom means having your constitutional rights maligned while ‘constitutionalists’ stand by and endorse it. Fuckall, look around you. I know you are hopelessly naive and subservient to the thoughts of others to flesh out your ontology (the religion thing), but take it piecemeal and look around you. I think you will find that meaning has been (sometimes intentionally) assassinated.

I especially blame the republicans who couch lots of things in ambiguity and doubt and have been dealing in this commodity exclusively since Bush came into office. Look at our claim that “democracy” is just and desireable. We don’t mean that. We only mean that leaders who captualate to us are desireable - so why ruin the meaning of an otherwise good word? They (your party) have been making huge steps towards entirely ruining public dialogue.

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

"What is your point, nalhamid? Your religion is being used to force people to commit suicide in the Name of God every single day, why no mention of that?

17 suicide bombings in the last 80 hours in 5 countries. And yet you refuse to admit your religion is being used to force people into this. Why is that?”

You have yet to address the issue,spark. You dance about with semi-poetic blahblah and deny the evidence that Islam is being used to force people to commit suicide in the name of their God. Islam is not terrorism. Islam is being used to foment and foster terrorism. A means to an end.

Get it?

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I know you are hopelessly naive

One could say that about you I suppose.  However it’s probably not naivety that encourages you to write large comments of rambling prose but a over-inflated opinion of your intellectual superiority.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

Sparkplug: Your last comments were, in my opinion, all sound and fury signifying absolutely nothing! I was not talking about the widespread misuse and arbitrary reinterpretations of words and phrases, which words and phrase have surely been twisted out of all shape and meaning, making our common English langauge often meaningless as a tool of effective communication.

I was talking about your all too frequent reliance upon crude expletives rather than engaging in intelligent, civil and reasonable debate over issues. When you fail to use the English language in a precise way, there is no chance for mutual understanding and civil dialogue. So I must ask you, why are you wasting your valuable time commenting on various threads? Are you simply looking for opportunities to use coarse and offensive language just for the thrill of it all, you like seeing how well you can curse on your monitor? It seem to me that if you feel it is important to comment about a particular matter and thus invest valuable time, you would use your considerable intellect and powers of persuasion in a clear and concise manner that you might convince others of the merits of your position; otherwise, it is all an exercise in futility and it only makes you appear to being using crude speech to make up for a lack of intellect!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.