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Tuesday, June 24, 2008

Spain Has Built and Fortified a Border Fence; When Will We Get Ours?

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/06/24/good-news-the-border-fence-has-been-built-and-fortified/

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Spain is more ‘social’ than us, and that gives it a non-question-begging reason to secure its border. It has benefits to protect. We, on the other hand, preach free marketism and call for closed borders all in the same self-contradictory breath. The dems call for open borders and minimum wage. Another contradiction in my mind.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on June 24, 2008 at 05:46 pm

Hard to argue with that generalization.  I do wonder if they will shoot to kill or have arrest powers.


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Chief RZ on June 24, 2008 at 06:00 pm

Spain is more ‘social’ than us, and that gives it a non-question-begging reason to secure its border. It has benefits to protect. We, on the other hand, preach free marketism and call for closed borders all in the same self-contradictory breath.

Yet another example of your extreme mental confusion, Sparkie.  Protecting your sovereignty is the first duty of any State, regardless of their economic system.
BTW, there’s no such thing as “free marketism”; what the hell do you mean by that, and do you even understand what you are saying?
Free market means freedom of exit and entry into and out of the market, not the country.  Duh.


"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

robert108 on June 24, 2008 at 06:22 pm

r108

Protecting your sovereignty is the first duty of any State, regardless of their economic system.

that has nothing to do with open or closed borders. it has only to do with borders. you, sir, are wrong.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on June 25, 2008 at 05:23 am

I think it’s wise to keep those Frenchies out of your country.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on June 25, 2008 at 05:37 am

also, spain is next to northern africa and now that the EU is together, i suspect they are getting a lot of EU money to secure. to keep out militants, aliens, and drugs. why didn’t you report on the state of france or belgium’s borders? i think switzerland is the only one’s who’ll check your passport in europe if you enter on the ground. also, to my knowledge, poland is getting some serious border money too, considering the smuggling problems occurring along that border.

but as i said, the EU has social programs to protect. if you would have us dissolve our social programs, what would we be protecting? access to the market is totally different that access to the country. we can allow entry to the country and deny access to the market if we so choose. unfortunately, we spend no money monitoring hiring practices internally. we create a demand. by calling for closed borders, you distract the fact that access to the market is separable from ‘entry’.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on June 25, 2008 at 05:48 am
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the EU has social programs to protect. if you would have us dissolve our social programs, what would we be protecting?

Give me a hit off that hookah, Sparkie, if you think social welfare programs are going away any time soon!



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Proof on June 25, 2008 at 05:51 am

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notice the content of what you quoted:

if you would have us dissolve our social programs, what would we be protecting?

you bellow

Give me a hit off that hookah, Sparkie, if you think social welfare programs are going away any time soon!

Hey bro, f**k you. Read what I wrote, tart. It was a counterfactual directed at the internal consistency of r108’s position, not a comment about the state or expected state of our social programs. You’re the one who needs to lay off the drugs, f**ker. I am engaging in debate and you are the one who is f**king trolling, c**t.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on June 25, 2008 at 05:57 am

proof
you just show you have no game other than misquoting and misconstruing. proof reader emeritus my ass!
same deal with all those turds you have been posting on the front page that i have been shooting down. the poor Frenchman who was forced to cut down his trees by the gubment! NOT!
i think its telling that rob has you and pilgrim on the front page. he likes the hacks, the misquoters, the personal attack and no-real-answer types.

Give me a hit off that hookah, Sparkie

No. You freeloader! Get a job.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on June 25, 2008 at 06:44 am
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Hey bro, f**k you.

Very eloquent, Sparkster. Your words speak for themselves. Heh.



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Proof on June 25, 2008 at 06:50 am

to return to my point. namely, r108’s fallacy.

access to the market is totally different that access to the country. we can allow entry to the country and deny access to the market if we so choose. unfortunately, we spend no money monitoring hiring practices internally.

r108 offers

Protecting your sovereignty is the first duty of any State

You r108, apparently, need to move to Burma… where they practice your brand of ‘sovereignty’.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on June 25, 2008 at 06:59 am

we can allow entry to the country and deny access to the market if we so choose.

This simply illustrates your economic ignorance.  As usual, Sparkie, you have it backward.  Entry into the US is entry into the labor market, as any moron should know.  The ongoing justification the invaders use is “I’m just coming here to get a job.”, which entirely refutes you here.  More than that, it’s much easier(as is illustrated by the present situation) to keep illegals out of the country than it is to keep them out of the labor market.  This is so obvious, even to those of subnormal intelligence, that I’m amazed you would even try to sell this bullshit.

“Sovereignty” actually has a definition, and it has nothing to do with the brutal terrorist practices of the extreme left-wing govt of Myannmar, despite your personal fantasies about it.

Get a grip, Sparkie; you’re more incoherent than usual.


"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

robert108 on June 25, 2008 at 08:13 am

r108

Entry into the US is entry into the labor market, as any moron should know.

Oh, and I thought all the Europeans running around here were on vacation!

Moron.

There is 1) physical entry 2) length of allowed stay and 3) ability to participate in ‘market’. Remember the numbers you write on the forms you fill out when you get a job? Remember the holograms or stickers that go into your passport when you are on extended student or work stay in a foreign country?

The idea of sovereignty and the state system is based around these very protocols. You offer us binary trash, moron!


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on June 25, 2008 at 09:29 am

“Sovereignty” actually has a definition, and it has nothing to do with the brutal terrorist practices of the extreme left-wing govt of Myannmar, despite your personal fantasies about it.

Duh. I was pointing out how closed borders inhibit the very idea of the state system and sovereignty. Do you sense any sarcasm or notice the scare quotes?

You r108, apparently, need to move to Burma… where they practice your brand of ‘sovereignty’.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on June 25, 2008 at 09:31 am

The idea of sovereignty and the state system is based around these very protocols. You offer us binary trash, moron!

Completely wrong.  The truth is that anyone who can get in here can get a job, which is exactly why the invaders are a problem.  I can’t believe you don’t know this.
Enforcing the border has nothing whatsoever to do with what is going on in Myannmar, fool.  It’s what they do afterward.  You are seriously confused, Sparkie; but then that’s par for the course with you.
You deny obvious reality with some intellectual-sounding bullshit.


"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

robert108 on June 25, 2008 at 09:34 am

r108
you inquire

The truth is that anyone who can get in here can get a job, which is exactly why the invaders are a problem.  I can’t believe you don’t know this.

but i had typed above

unfortunately, we spend no money monitoring hiring practices internally. we create a demand.

and

Remember the numbers you write on the forms you fill out when you get a job?

Perhaps you aren’t reading my comments, in which case you should just give up now.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on June 25, 2008 at 09:51 am

unfortunately, we spend no money monitoring hiring practices internally. we create a
demand

Wrong.  The demand is for cheap labor, and lack of border enforcement allows a supply of same.

Your inane comment about forms is an unconscious admission that the invasion has produced another growth industry: phony documents and identity theft from American citizens.  Lack of border enforcement is the gift that keeps on taking, from the American taxpayer.
Businessmen are not border enforcement agents, and are not paid to do that.  On the other hand, the people who are paid to do it aren’t doing their jobs.


"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

robert108 on June 25, 2008 at 10:11 am

r108
you blame any and every ill on ‘the border’ and refuse to acknowledge the variables at play.

i am done. piss off.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on June 25, 2008 at 11:22 am

It’s much easier to keep them out than it is to control them after they have dispersed all over the country.  I guess you don’t know that.


"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

robert108 on June 25, 2008 at 11:31 am

I guess you don’t know that.

No, I don’t know any of the garbage you make up. Also, constructing a large, expensive fence is not “easy”.

It’s much easier to keep them out than it is to control them after they have dispersed all over the country.

Oh, I see, its about ‘them’. The same problem we used to have with the polaks, the irish, and every other “them” in the history of human migration. That’s some petty shit shining through your ‘reason’ there, r108.

Like I said, binary.

“Us and them.”

Like I said, piss off.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on June 25, 2008 at 11:42 am

The same problem we used to have with the polaks, the irish, and every other “them” in the
history of human migration.

Wrong again, Sparkie!  All those other groups have assimilated and have become solid citizens, unlike the invaders, they came here legally, so you lie again.
Besides, I don’t remember any other group with a “reconquista” movement.  You continue to demonstrate your abject ignorance here.


"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

robert108 on June 25, 2008 at 11:53 am

r108
you blame any and every ill on ‘the border’ and refuse to acknowledge the variables at play.

Another lie from you, Sparkie: I blame the invader problems on lack of border enforcement, which is obviously true, in that if the border weren’t porous, none of the “down the line” problems, like identity theft, document fraud, drain on our tax rolls and welfare programs, and the increased cost of schooling their children, wouldn’t exist.  It’s simple logic, Sparkie.


"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

robert108 on June 25, 2008 at 02:34 pm

While I agree that the borders should be secured, I also know it will never happen in a real way. We give lip service to certain things ie: drug war, war on terror, war on poverty, border security, stopping abortion, violence, teen pregnancy, I could go on but you get the point. The fact is, the politicians, both right and left, use these issues to energize a voting block. Thats it. They dont really want to solve perceived problems, they just want to get people to go down the yellow brick road with them at the front of the pack, getting the credit for DOING something, while really doing nothing.
Its a great system if your a follower and need a community of others to re-enforce your NO GREY AREA MENTALITY. As long as you think others agree, you can go on fooling yourself forever. Works equally well for leftie do-gooders who think if only we do things thier way everyone will be happy and safe and we will all live forever in harmony with the earth and spirits, as well as righties who are scared shitless of the future and death and anything thats not like them. Both equally outlandish, both reviled by the other, same tactics, same methods, different delivery, thats all.
If you remember that people will always believe what they want to believe over logic, facts, or hard evidence, you can see it in others, even if your blind to it in yourselves.

dragon poker on June 25, 2008 at 03:10 pm

in that if the border weren’t porous, none of the “down the line” problems, like identity theft, document fraud, drain on our tax rolls and welfare programs, and the increased cost of schooling their children, wouldn’t exist.  It’s simple logic, Sparkie.

Not defending Sparkie, seems like he does just fine with ole bobbieblue himself, but if bobbieblue really thinks a porous border is the reason we have identity theft, document fraud, and high schooling costs, he is a prime example of what I was talking about in my last post. Believe what you want bobbie, but the world is a bigger place than you think, and the problems we face are bigger than your blindered eyes can see. If we secure the border this week, do you really think these problems will go away? lol your a funny guy...pokepoke

dragon poker on June 25, 2008 at 03:21 pm

dragon poker

the politicians, both right and left, use these issues to energize a voting block. Thats it. They dont really want to solve perceived problems, they just want to get people to go down the yellow brick road with them at the front of the pack, getting the credit for DOING something, while really doing nothing

see here.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on June 25, 2008 at 06:24 pm

sorry bad link. try that.


Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Sparkie Arbuckle on June 25, 2008 at 06:26 pm

Nice. Left a post there.

dragon poker on June 25, 2008 at 08:34 pm
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