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Tuesday, February 19, 2008

Something very interesting

I’ve seen it in our gracious host’s interactions with the Turtle Mountain Ojibwe, and in some of my own interactions with people from ethnic minorities.  Rob and I agree on something significant (as do many others here); one of the main causes for the squalor of the inner city and many reservations is our welfare system.  By paying people not to work, not to get married, and so on, our welfare systems encourage the behaviors that lead to poverty--and in trying to “help” the poor in a misguided way, they actually deepen the plight of the less fortunate.

What’s interesting about that?  Sounds depressing, right?

What’s interesting about this is that I see people get accused of racism for blaming a system, instead of people, for poverty.  If you say that “welfare harms poor blacks” or “welfare harms poor Indians,” there is a group of people on the left who act as if you’d just insulted them, when in reality you’ve done the opposite.

Strange.

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Well said, Bubba.

The interesting thing is that I have said repeatedly in my writings about the reservations that I do not think the problems that exist there are inherent to the Indian race.  The crime and poverty doesn’t happen because they’re Indian.  It happens because of the welfare state the Indians are living in.

And there’s other examples away from the reservations.  Look at the blacks in the inner city.  Look at the whites in trailer parks down south.  Heck, look at anyone who has decided to make themselves dependent on the government instead of dependent on themselves.

It’s not a racial thing, it’s a policy thing.  What’s sad is that we could probably fix it if we could ever get past the “racism” thing.


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Rob on February 19, 2008 at 03:39 pm

...one of the main causes for the squalor of the inner city and many reservations is our welfare system.

Not so much a “cause” as an instigator. The bad behavior is the cause. Welfare only rewards that bad behavior.

likwidshoe on February 19, 2008 at 05:55 pm

When you reward something, you get more of it.


Hope and change, in a free world, are the private possessions of motivated individuals.

robert108 on February 19, 2008 at 06:06 pm

When you reward something, you get more of it.

Very true. Just making the distinction because saying that welfare is one of the causes passes the buck from one’s own behavior onto a third party.

It’s both a minor point and an important distinction.

likwidshoe on February 19, 2008 at 06:11 pm

Keep in mind that the comments here are missing the central point; how interesting (and sad) it is that many confuse blaming bad incentives, and blaming people as a race or ethnicity.

I don’t know how to get around it, but I’ve seen it many times, and it’s really sad.

Bike Bubba on February 20, 2008 at 09:44 am

Bike Bubba - I’m pretty sure that we three get your central point. We have all been victims of the point you are making, as I’m more than sure you have as well. Whether at this blog or at the national political stage, we see it played out every single time welfare is discussed. It gets old.

Think it will ever change?

likwidshoe on February 20, 2008 at 10:19 am
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