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Sunday, May 18, 2008

Some Logical Corollaries of California’s Gay Marriage Decision

By Paul Shlichta

As Lady Macbeth said, “what’s done cannot be undone”—except by constitutional amendment. In order to appease an intransigent minority group, the California Supreme Court has, in the manner of Roe v. Wade, resorted to inventing a new legal principle to justify their predetermined goal.

But one does wish that they had thought the matter out a little more carefully. In creating a mechanism for justifying gay marriage, the justices have set in motion an infernal machine with consequences far beyond their limited imaginations. Cliff Their has already pointed out that these unintended consequences may include the invalidation of no-fault divorce and the legitimization of polygamy. Let us extend his line of argument further and assess the range of logical consequences of this decision.

Using their “strict Scrutiny standard”—which the court obviously invented ad hoc to justify gay marriage—the justices deem that constitutionality requires that any differential treatment be not only in a constitutionally legitimate interest but that it also be a compelling state interest for which differential treatment is absolutely necessary [italics theirs]. You have to think this idea over for a while to fully appreciate its asininity and the vast number of California laws that could be declared unconstitutional if it were applied uniformly. But let us for the moment content ourselves with considering the full extent of its application to the institution of marriage.

The court goes on, with a great deal of verbal sleight-of-hand and gobbledygook, to justify gay marriage, i.e. the elevation of the union of two males or two females, who engage in mutual sexual activity, to the full status of marriage. The first thing we notice about this argument is the superfluity of the word “two”. True, the words “two adults” and “couple” do appear in the decision, but only by way of example and not of restriction. No argument is given for the magical uniqueness of “two” and no argument presented thereafter is not equally applicable to three or four or more gay men or lesbian women. It is my fond hope that, even as we speak, some gay trio or quartet in San Francisco is planning to apply for a marriage license. And I would defy the California Supreme Court, with the present decision in place, to devise a way to stop them within the boundaries of its own principles.

Having been forced to accept the right of gay polygamous marriage, we are compelled to concede a similar right to heterosexual polygamy. As Their has already noted, the insertion of the word “polygamous” into appropriate places in the CSC decision yields a coherent and logical case for the rights of polygamous families to full marital status. So those gay couples (and trios and quartets, etc.) waiting in line for marriage licenses will find their ranks augmented by eager Muslim and Mormon dissident sect applicants.

But the fun doesn’t there. Even the ingenious wordsmiths of CSC would be hard pressed to justify specific sexual acts as requirements for full marital status. Accepting the arguments used for granting marital status to gay couples and trios, we must admit that there would be no honest reason for denying the same status to other cohabiting couples such as brothers and/or sisters, cousins, or just friends. 

Consider, for example, two old friends of mine, Felix and Oscar, who have shared an apartment for decades.  Their friendship has no homoerotic overtones; they are in fact persistently if unsuccessfully heterosexual.  The legalization of gay marriages wouldn’t help them a bit.  But if they were to claim to be gay partners, they would, under the present CSC decision, be eligible for all the advantages of a gay marriage.  If that isn’t “discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation”, please tell me what is. Therefore, in all fairness, the CSC must extend its permission to them and their ilk

Having got rid of the old Judeo-Christian taboos, and considering the logical ramifications of the recent CSC decision, we are forced to conclude that “marriage” in California is now or about to be accessible to any cohabiting group of any number of people of the same or both sexes, regardless of sexual orientation or activity.

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But let us look on the bright side. The CSC decision could lead to the restoration of clans or tribes—a concept that has often had a strong stabilizing effect on society. Eventually, whole communities or cities might be joined in matrimony. Ultimately the whole population of California might become one big happy family, filing a single enormous tax return and referring to the governor (by then hereditary) as “big daddy” or big mama”. And in such an intimate family-state, there would be no need for a supreme court.

Amen.

Comments

Paul.  I believe this was their ultimate point.

Having got rid of the old Judeo-Christian taboos

The US Supreme court, I believe has nixed polygamous marriage.  In fact, before Utah was admitted to the union, they had to agree not to recognize polygamous marriages.  The Texas takings of children therefore should be tried in the 9th Circuit and a good case be made for illegal takings---except that the marriages were heterosexual.  /had they only been homosexual--and not religious, then everything would be “blessed” by the CSC/sarcasm, but point made.


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Chief RZ on May 19, 2008 at 05:48 am
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Marriage is a basic civil right that should be attainable by all Americans if they choose. For those for have a problem with this check out our short produced to educate & defuse the controversy. It has a way of opening closed minds & provides some sanity on the issue: http://www.OUTTAKEonline.com

Charlotte on May 19, 2008 at 06:58 am

Charlotte,

Just like any other woman, you are free to marry any man who would have you.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on May 19, 2008 at 07:08 am

Charlotte, so you’re the Ann Landers for homos?  LOL.


You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

docdave on May 19, 2008 at 07:19 am

Marriage is a basic civil right…

Wrong.  It is a specific social institution, which exists for specific social purposes, and has specific requirements for those who wish to participate.  The gay pressure lobby wants to simply eliminate one of the requirements(the most fundamental one), but as this article points out, eliminating that requirement opens the door to eliminating all the requirements, thus making the word meaningless.  Of course, this is the real purpose of the gay pressure group.


"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

robert108 on May 19, 2008 at 08:25 am

Robert108, What I don’t understand is how it is not discrimination just because of their sexual preference? Homosexual marriage not being recognized is an issue that even though I may not agree with it on a personal religious level still merits some consideration as an American. Another thing, Are there any other countries who recognize or allow same sex marriages?

Zsa Zsa on May 19, 2008 at 12:02 pm

I guess what I am saying is two consenting adults as tax paying Americans, seem like the should have the right to marriage, just as heterosexual couples???

Zsa Zsa on May 19, 2008 at 12:10 pm

that is very nice that the people voted down gay marriages big loss for the people, big win for the gays?. all they did was to go to court and got the judge of the highest court to say that the people did not know what they really wanted and overturned what the people wanted to keep the gays happy. what happens when we vote a president into office and the highest court in the nation tells us we don’t know what we really wanted and overturned our votes and put the other guy in. would be ok because the high courts has the power to make their own las california just proved that

keith_glory2 on May 19, 2008 at 12:11 pm

Charlotte - Marriage is a basic civil right...

You can do whatever you want and you can call it whatever you want, but you have no right to demand that the citizens recognize it as such.

Rights are innate. They are not derived from other people.

likwidshoe on May 19, 2008 at 12:11 pm

Interesting how selectively those on the Left endorse the principle of democracy and majority rule.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on May 19, 2008 at 12:18 pm

Charlotte.  Not so.  States grant marriage licenses.  They decide on who can marry.  In our state, as part of our Constitution, a marriage is defined as between one man and one woman.  Even that definition is further restricted on age and mental ability as well as physical fitness (blood test--free from STDs).

Any questions, ask.


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Chief RZ on May 19, 2008 at 12:25 pm

One BIG reason I can see Why our forefathers did not take into consideration gay marriage is, same sex marriage cannot create children outside adoption. Therefore they did not include the words two consenting adults because not only was homosexuality unacceptable socially BUT it did not seem necessary for the sake of any future possible offspring between the two.

Zsa Zsa on May 19, 2008 at 12:38 pm

Zsa Zsa:
Is everyone granted a Driver’s License, qualified or not? No! It is a privilege granted by the state, it is not a civil right. There are overwhelming state interests, like public safety, that requires people meet certain requirements to obtain a driver’s license.

In a similar way, not everyone is qualified to be granted a marriage license, it is a privilege and not a civil right, and there are overwhelming state interests in keeping marriage between a man and woman. (1) When the basic definition of marriage changes, then as suggested, there is no way that polygamous marriages could be lawfully prevented, or other many other marital arranegements. (2) Marriage itself becomes meaningless, as does the foundation of the family.

I could list many more reasons why homosexual marriage should be against the law. They can have all the legal rights of marriage through civil unions, so why marriage? They want to remove the social stigma attached to their perverse (a change of natural course) relationships and demand that even Christian Churches must accept their unions that somehow thereby, at least to them, the spiritual condemnation of that lifestyle choice is also removed.

They deserve to be treated decently, in the love of Christ and not denied those things that are basic to life, like work, home, clothing, etcetera; while society should deny them the social and legal imprimatuer over their sexual lifestyle choice.


No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman on May 19, 2008 at 12:41 pm

So what if they move to another State? Is it recognized? OR would it matter? Are they allowed to file taxes jointly? I just don’t understand what the big issue is? Are there benefits that are granted for heterosexual couples? OR what?

Zsa Zsa on May 19, 2008 at 12:45 pm

Thanks, Neiman! One more question? Because States will not grant everyone a license, does that mean that States are Not discriminating against individuals applying for a same sex license to marry even IF the same sex couple has no STD’s and they fulfill all other requirements?

Zsa Zsa on May 19, 2008 at 01:00 pm

Actually, there is a marriage penalty when filing income taxes.  Some states do not have reciprocal right to carry laws.  That is their choice.  I guess we should have a court ruling allowing the second amendment to apply to all states as it was originally written.  There is and was not written any right to marry.

Neiman is right, as I wrote originally.  This court should rule in favor of multiple partnerships, but this really is nothing more than liberal ideology or communist as they have outlined back in the 1850s.


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Chief RZ on May 19, 2008 at 01:08 pm

Chief, Neiman, IF the People of the State of California Voted Against same sex marriage and a Judge over ruled it?  Something is reeeeally wrong there! That judge needs to be outed!

Zsa Zsa on May 19, 2008 at 01:12 pm

robert108: The Constitution of California calls for a retention vote on each justice of the state’s supreme court every 12 years by the people of California. 

Are any of the dirt-bags who voted for gay marriage eligible for recall under that provision?


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The times, they are a-changin’...
Bob Dylan

pparets on May 19, 2008 at 01:19 pm

This is why a constitutional amendment must be passed to prevent the perversion of marriage.  Liberal courts have been reading many things and making laws when that should be left to the legislative branch of government.


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Chief RZ on May 19, 2008 at 01:23 pm

Zsa Zsa: Discrimination is not a curse word or an evil thing in and of itself. We, as a people, discriminate in issuing Driver’s Licenses, based on overwhelming state needs, in this case safety of the public. So, it is for the common good, for public safety, isn’t it still a form of discrimination? Yes! It is discrimination in favor of the public good.

We, as a people, as part of a civilized world have always accepted the fact that marriage should be an act of discrimination for the public good. Thus, the single most important qualification is that marriage only be between one man and one woman. We further discriminate that they should not be too closely related and until very recently that they cannot be of the same gender. This has been true in all civilized societies, in every geographical setting, throughout all recorded human history and is demanded by every human religion, accept rare man made cults. This form of discrimination is still accepted by Islamic states, Hindu and even Communist states, it is universal and the manifold reasons still tell us that a sound, stable and moral society and future generations are best served under this form of discrimination.

We must ask ourselves why? Why in just recent decades has homosexuality become socially aceptable in the West? Why are the homosexual activists demanding marriage now? After all, marriage is mostly a religious concept and that founded upon Judeo-Cheristian teachings. Why marriage, homosexuals in most states can obtain all the legal rights associated with marriage without the label, and why is the label important when most homosexuals deny Scripture and Judeo-Christian teachings? They insist they are born homosexual, that homosexual conduct is not perverse but normal and moral, so if the believe that is true, why marriage?

I believe at its heart we will find this to be true: (1) No one can feel normal and healthy when their behavior is viewed as being abnormal. So, force the world to accept homosexuality as being normal and bingo, no more guilt or shame. (2) No one wants to feel inferior to people of faith, any condemnation of homosexuality makes them feel inferior. So, force even churches to at minimum be silent about homosexuality and bingo, no more feelings of spiritual inferiority. (3) True marriage, as known by every human being ever born demands fidelity, it provides for family stability and other social benefits. So, destroy marriage by demanding it for homosexuals and bingo, no more restraints of sexual activities, no more being bound by God to marital fidelity and with the heterosexuals no longer constrained by marriage, no greater benefits to being married than not.

One last point: If homosexual marriage is lawful in enough states, every state will be forced to recognize homosexual marriages licensed in others states.


No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman on May 19, 2008 at 01:32 pm

I must make it absolutely clear, while I am against homosexual marriage and homosexual conduct, I bear no hatred for homosexuals, nor would I ever approve of treating them absent politness, decency and in the Love of God.


No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman on May 19, 2008 at 01:35 pm

Well said, Neiman!


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The times, they are a-changin’...
Bob Dylan

pparets on May 19, 2008 at 01:41 pm

Liberal courts have been reading many things and making laws when that should be left to the legislative branch of government.

RZ, what is the make up of the CA supreme court?
How many justices are there?
Who appointed them?


Excuse me, you were saying?


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realitybasedbob on May 19, 2008 at 01:48 pm

What about Liberty and Justice for all? “ Discrimination is not a curse word”, I agree. AND I do believe that the majority vote rules. That is why I don’t understand the concept of one judge deciding to overturn the majority vote and how he decides to take it upon him self to make a decision like this!  It seems rather illegal to me? How can a judge get away with going against a Majority VOTE of the people and make it into Law? Do judges have that much Power? That just seems so Wrong!

Zsa Zsa on May 19, 2008 at 01:54 pm

Zsa Zsa, if you are talking about the recent CA court decision...do you know what court made it?


Excuse me, you were saying?


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realitybasedbob on May 19, 2008 at 01:58 pm

RBB, Wasn’t it the CA Supreme court?

Zsa Zsa on May 19, 2008 at 02:03 pm

Yes, can you answer the question I asked that RZ can’t?


Excuse me, you were saying?


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realitybasedbob on May 19, 2008 at 02:11 pm

RBB, Are you talking about the 9th court or 6th court of appeals? OR whatever that one that is always making stupid idiotic laws?

Zsa Zsa on May 19, 2008 at 02:11 pm

The ruling was made by the CA supreme court.

Do you know the make up of the court?
I know that RZ is afraid to talk to me anymore…


Excuse me, you were saying?


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realitybasedbob on May 19, 2008 at 02:21 pm

What I don’t understand is how it is not discrimination just because of their sexual preference?

When I decide what to eat for dinner, I am discriminating against all the other choices I might have made, which isn’t illegal.  The issue here is that the CSC invented a new form of illegal discrimination, based solely on the existence of a different name.  In fact, what gays do is different from what real married couples do, which certainly merits a different name, because it is a different thing.  Under this “ruling”, heterosexuals living together, or even close friends, could be defined as “married”, because to call their relationship by its right name would now be “discrimination”.  Clear?


"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

robert108 on May 19, 2008 at 03:25 pm

To that unreality thing: ChiefRZ is not afraid of anyone, he has served his country honorably in uniform, during war and at peace, and a worm like you trying to attach a fear labek to such an honorable man just to satisfy your massive ego and highly limited intellect is disgusting and wrong.

This decision was issued by the California State Supreme Court, the majority on the court and in this decision were appointed by Republicans; However, so was Earl Warren the worst, most vile Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court in our history. So were converted to the extreme Left Wing, Justice Souter and former Justice O’Conner. So, who apointed them is absolutely immaterial to this issue.

This was legislating from then bench, no more and no less and the people of this state will amend the Constitution in November and shut up these extremist justices on this issue.


No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman on May 19, 2008 at 04:57 pm

I love you Neiman, do you love me?


Excuse me, you were saying?


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realitybasedbob on May 19, 2008 at 05:03 pm
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Under this “ruling”, heterosexuals living together, or even close friends, could be defined as “married”, because to call their relationship by its right name would now be “discrimination”.

A guy and a gal could do the same.  I’m not sure I see what that’s supposed to tell us, though.

jpe on May 19, 2008 at 06:29 pm

I’m not sure I see what that’s supposed to tell us, though.

It seems obvious that the result will be to make the word “marriage” meaningless.


"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

robert108 on May 19, 2008 at 07:02 pm

It seems obvious that the result will be to make the word “marriage” meaningless.

Exactly why I am against going down the road of changing the meaning. When marriage means anything, it will mean nothing.

Some, not all, but some of the “gay marriage” proponents have exactly that goal in mind.

likwidshoe on May 19, 2008 at 07:08 pm

If marriage goes, the essential structure of human civilization goes, leaving the world ripe for some sort of leftie takeover.  They sell the tradeoff of freedom for the promise of security.  Real marriage puts the security in the hands of the individual.


"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

robert108 on May 19, 2008 at 07:19 pm
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