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Monday, June 23, 2008

Should the GOP worry about Bob Barr?

Personally I don’t see it. I saw numbers a few weeks ago that had him getting maybe 3% of the vote. Bob Barr has little if any pizzaz and I just don't see anyone getting excited about him.


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By Shannon McCaffrey


A fiery former GOP congressman who gained national prominence for doggedly pursuing impeachment of President Bill Clinton has some Republicans worried he’ll play spoiler in a tight presidential contest.

Bob Barr’s Libertarian Party bid for the White House is the longest of long shots, but political experts say he may be able to exploit the unease some die-hard conservatives still feel about Senator John McCain, the Republican nominee-elect.

Combined with the dramatic surge in voter turnout among Democrats during the primaries and a difficult political climate for Republicans, they see what could be a recipe for trouble for the GOP.

“Bob could be the Ralph Nader of 2008,” said Dan Schnur, a GOP consultant in California who worked on McCain’s 2000 campaign but is not involved in this year’s contest. Consumer advocate Nader is the third-party candidate many Democrats blame for helping George W. Bush narrowly win in 2000.

[Nader, the nominee of the Green Party eight years ago, is running for the White House again this year, this time as an independent.]

Representative John Linder (R-Georgia), who defeated Barr in 2002 after Georgia’s Democratic-controlled Legislature redrew congressional boundaries to put the two lawmakers in the same district, said he didn’t think Barr would top four percent of the vote in November. “But in some states that may be enough,” Linder said.

Democrats seem gleeful at the prospect. Tad Devine, a Washington-based Democratic strategist, said Republicans “are crazy if they aren’t worried about Barr.”

“Undoubtedly any votes he gets come out of McCain’s votes,” Devine said. “He hurts them.”

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The Liberaltarians illustrate the frank madness of claiming to be “fiscally conservative” while being “socially liberal”.  It’s kinda like a “Jackalope”.  Just doesn’t exist.


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robert108 on June 23, 2008 at 08:07 pm

In a presidential election that might be won by a razor-thin margin, Barr helps Obama.


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pparets on June 23, 2008 at 08:14 pm

Since I believe McCain would be bad for the country (as well as the Republican Party) I will likely vote for Bob Barr. 

This wouldn’t be a protest vote, but a refusal to contribute to the demise of the Republic.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on June 23, 2008 at 08:20 pm
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I’m with Whistler for those exact reasons.

brenarlo on June 23, 2008 at 08:59 pm

I can’t a lot of people voting for him. Maybe I am wrong he excites me less than McCain and a lot of the right wingers will probably see it that way.


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goon on June 23, 2008 at 09:11 pm

I heard a live interview with Barr this morning, on the Dennis Miller Show, and he is one of those who think FISA is spying on American citizens, and who is also ignorant of the fact that what we need to do to win a war doesn’t mean we will lose our national identity.
We were willing to nuke Japan to defeat them, but we don’t go running around nuking countries at random as a tool of foreign policy.  The guy’s a moron.


"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

robert108 on June 23, 2008 at 09:34 pm

I took a second look at Barr. I initially liked him due to the fierceness he defended personal privacy in the Fightthefingerprint campaign back during the Clinton administration’s big push for mandatory biometric ID’s.  He also was a fierce defender of our borders and for immigration law enforcement.

More recently, however, he has started making droopy-on-enforcement noises.

I have no illusions that he will prevail in a three-way fight.  Still, his record is head and shoulders over McCain (faux Republican, Stealth Democrat). 

There is still some time before the election, and as Hillary so preceptively pointed out, lots can happen between now and then. /irony

In all likelihood, I will vote a Republican ticket, save for McCain.

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Move_Zig on June 23, 2008 at 09:41 pm
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3% is alot. Might be balanced by by Nader, but this election will most likely be a 5-7% margin so it wont matter.

The Liberaltarians illustrate the frank madness of claiming to be “fiscally conservative” while being “socially liberal”.  It’s kinda like a “Jackalope”.  Just doesn’t exist.

Robert108 doesnt seem to know what the Libertarian party believe at all. Is Barr a social liberal? lol

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chuck on June 23, 2008 at 09:47 pm

Ron Paul is about as conservative as you can be socially.  Wants the Ten Commandments monuments left alone and supports original intent on most of these issues. 

Problem is that the LP has a gun toting religious wing and has a viciously anti-war pacifist wing led by the same granola loving Ron Paul supporters that think it is all about legalizing pot.

The smartest and brightest fiscal conservatives and free market folks out there are LP members or at very least, flirted with it until the mere idiocy of so many of the LP folks around them pushed us back into the Republican Party and made us regret thinking that the LP is full of intellectual Conservatives.  It is filled with Ron Paul supporters and these folks are nutjobs.

Justin B. on June 24, 2008 at 01:44 am

The Liberaltarians illustrate the frank madness of claiming to be “fiscally conservative” while being “socially liberal”.  It’s kinda like a “Jackalope”.  Just doesn’t exist.

Bullshit. It exists in small numbers on more than one continent. Also, Barr ain’t one of them. He has recently flopped on the two marys: marraige and marijuana. Before his campaign, he was pro-Christian marraige and meth. Look at him now!

3% is alot.

Sure is. The non-sheeples.

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I don’t think you can pidgeon hole it that simply. Its far more varied than you let on. At least where I hail from.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on June 24, 2008 at 06:47 am

The core problem with Liberaltarians is that they don’t know right from wrong.  So, although they talk like conservatives in some ways, the bottom line is that they won’t do the right thing when it comes down to taking action.


"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

robert108 on June 24, 2008 at 09:22 am
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The Liberaltarians illustrate the frank madness of claiming to be “fiscally conservative” while being “socially liberal”.  It’s kinda like a “Jackalope”.  Just doesn’t exist.

How so? Why must one be exclusively fiscally and socially conservative or fiscally and socially liberal?

The core problem with Liberaltarians is that they don’t know right from wrong.  So, although they talk like conservatives in some ways, the bottom line is that they won’t do the right thing when it comes down to taking action.

Again, how so? Can you give me specific examples? You slander a group of people without providing any evidence.

Ken on June 24, 2008 at 12:57 pm

Ken: Here’s a basic American concept for you: You can’t “slander” someone by telling the truth about them.

If you would just think a bit, you might be able to figure out that fiscal conservativism and social liberalism are basically incompatible.  The fiscal conservative can’t countenance the tax and spend methodology of the social liberal.
Maybe you’re confused about the difference between what individuals do on their own, and what some people want the govt to do, with other peoples’ confiscated money.
Like I said, think about it.
Liberaltarians want to prevent individuals from acting on the guidance of their conscience, by prohibiting it by law, in the name of liberty.  In reality, they confuse “liberty” with “license”.  There is a difference.
Even though liberaltarians and conservatives may have similar positions on some basic issues, the liberaltarians lose it by being moral relativists.
As I said before, I heard Barr rail against FISA, and reveal that he doesn’t make a distinction between wartime and peacetime.


"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

robert108 on June 24, 2008 at 01:08 pm

No examples, just more hot air bobbie blue

dragon poker on June 24, 2008 at 01:35 pm
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The fiscal conservative can’t countenance the tax and spend methodology of the social liberal.

I don’t really think you understand libertarianism. True libertarians don’t support a “tax and spend methodology”. You’re referring to left-libertarianism or libertarian socialism. I agree with you that their views don’t seem compatible, but disagree that that’s the case with classic libertarians and libertarian conservatives.

Ken on June 24, 2008 at 05:19 pm

Ken: Despite your nit-picking, I stand by what I said.  I have debated with many liberaltarians, and it always comes down to that issue, and the other one I mentioned: moral relativism.
I say again: they confuse “freedom” with license.


"Give the lefties a pile of money, and they’ll spend it buying votes.” - Rush Limbaugh on the “bailout”.

robert108 on June 24, 2008 at 05:30 pm
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I will vote for Bob Barr.  Not for the bought-off obama/mccain party.  He will make a difference.  I will do everything in my power to be a true American and vote for what is right for my country.  I am tired of gut-less congress, psycho president, schitzo vp, etc.

JJ on July 28, 2008 at 12:02 pm
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