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Saturday, March 22, 2008

SEMPER FI?

I am very angry. Recently I saw a story of a family that has all three (3) sons serving in Iraq. These are all the children the parents have.These brave, unselfish young men really believe in their hearts that they are doing the right thing in service to this country. The parents have to deal with the fact that one, if not all, may not come back alive.Later, I saw a story about vets returning from the war with serious, debilitating injuries having to fight an incredible beauracracy for compensation and medical care. Why? The VA is seriously underfunded. Yet we can spend hundreds of billions of dollars on a space shuttle that may, or may not, benefit us in the future. We can come up with the money to fund this ridiculous war. We can spend $700 billion on a fence to keep illegal immigrants out. The list goes on and on. Why isn't the VA given more funding immediately to care for our vets? Especially as far as compensation is concerned. Some of these injuries are devasting families physically, emotionally and financially. Yet Congress lacks the will to institute fast-track compensation and assistance to the vets and their families.
Shame on you, George.And your administration. For eight years of screwing up America, George gets a healthy presidential pension. For those who answered his call to duty, they have to run the gauntlet to get their just deserts. And many will have to live with their injuries for the rest of their lives. I am a veteran. I say to those who can do something about this, but will not, the only way a member of my family will go to war for you is over my dead body.

Comments

the only way a member of my family will go to war for you is over my dead body.

Careful.

He might find those terms acceptable.


...for great justice

Move_Zig on March 22, 2008 at 12:05 pm

I say to those who can do something about this, but will not, I the only way a member of my family will go to war for you is over my dead body.

So what you’re telling us is that you don’t ascribe to freedom and the adult family members in your family are under your control.

likwidshoe on March 22, 2008 at 01:14 pm

These brave, unselfish young men really believe in their hearts that they are doing the right thing in service to this country.

They are. You evidently do not understand The War on Terror/Fundamentalist Islam.

Later, I saw a story about vets returning from the war with serious, debilitating injuries having to fight an incredible beauracracy for compensation and medical care. Why? The VA is seriously underfunded.

Yes, that is what happens when there is a lot of government. Private sector always works better. That why many of us are Republicans.

this ridiculous war

Only in your ridiculous viewpoint.

the only way a member of my family will go to war for you is over my dead body

Hmm, you must be a liberal. You would kill/die before you let a family member exercise their free will?!

James Kuhn on March 22, 2008 at 01:21 pm

Actually it would be most fitting and just that those expressing their contempt for the country and their inability to serve when it calls to be compelled to depart for any place beyond its protection, since they really have, in effect, given up their claim to being a citizen.

Alternately, they should be compelled to serve, rather than be allowed to exist as parasites of freedom which has been earned by those more brave and unselfish than they—but in a special capacity.

No, they do not wish to bear arms for their country, (or in their instances, the country which they happened to be born in), but would serve those who have been protecting them, unarmed, and walking point and doing those mine-clearing, latrine-cleaning duties to justify their otherwise meaningless existence.

Just a thought.  I think Heinlein might groove on the concept.


...for great justice

Move_Zig on March 22, 2008 at 01:54 pm

War is hell! It breaks our bodies, it breaks our emotional health, it kills the enemy, it kills our warriors and innocent civilians. That is the minimum price we must pay for our liberty! The soil of liberty is fed by the precious blood of our sons and our daughters, it always has been and it always will be and it will always come with a high price tag, otherwise what is it worth?

IRAQ: What has Iraq to do with our liberty? (a) If we do not inflict a devastating blow to Islamic militants, all over the world, we can never be truly safe at home. We went there and Al Queda and other Islamic militants decided to defeat us there; and there, far from home, we are killing those bastards.(b) When we are unwilling to help others under the heavy boot of dictators to achieve liberty for themselves, then we no longer desrve it for ourselves.

Money: When we do not secure our borders we invite Islam in here illegally to kill our people. We also undermine our economic security with our open borders.

VA: We have always underfunded the Veterans Administration, it is a shame, these men and women deserve much better; but, in previous wars our soldiers took responsibility for their own lives and health and while they needed more help from everyone, they didn’t fight to come home and to lay down and suck from the national tit. Soldiers don’t deserve anything more than a chance to come home and build a future for themselves. Yes, we should do more, but crying and bellyaching is not the way, rather we need to elect men and women to Congress that will increase VA spending, with close oversight of our money.


No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman on March 22, 2008 at 02:14 pm

You guys are lost. You have bought the right wing super-patriot bull, lock, stock and barrel. When you free your minds and open your hearts, we’ll talk.

watashiwa on March 22, 2008 at 06:56 pm

When you free your minds and open your hearts, we’ll talk.

Before, it was over your dead body.

watashiwa, when you free your mind and open your heart, we’ll talk.

likwidshoe on March 22, 2008 at 07:36 pm

I think for myself, thank you very much. It is typical of your type to claim that those who disagree with you MUST be closed-minded idiots.

James Kuhn on March 22, 2008 at 10:19 pm
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but, in previous wars our soldiers took responsibility for their own lives and health and while they needed more help from everyone, they didn’t fight to come home and to lay down and suck from the national tit.

Or they became homeless and forgotten.  They were denied the care they needed from our leaders.  Many gave all they had and were kicked to the curb.  Getting the care you were promised is not sucking at the national tit.  This is a disgusting post and you should be ashamed as a marine.

Lestat on March 22, 2008 at 10:39 pm
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Neiman,

Whatever happened to the code of not leaving anybody behind?

Lestat on March 22, 2008 at 10:40 pm

Soldiers don’t deserve anything more than a chance to come home and build a future for themselves.

Yea, I’m going to disagree here. Our soldiers deserve perminent care for any injury they sustain while defending our freedoms. They deserve admiration and respect, and any scholorship they want. The people who keep us free deserve a bit more than the ability to “come home and resume life”...which is a kind way of saying they don’t deserve anything.

Kenny on March 22, 2008 at 11:14 pm

Whatever happened to the code of not leaving anybody behind?

Nothing! That is, a Marine does not leave a brother-in-arms-behind in the battlefield; however, it is not a cry for permanent public assistance.

The people who keep us free deserve a bit more than the ability to “come home and resume life”...which is a kind way of saying they don’t deserve anything.

People serve in the military for a variety of reasons, but I have never met one that did so in the spirit that such service would demand they should deserve special treatment when they get home. They simply want an equal chance to work hard and succeed in life.

It is more than a little irritating that you and others deliberately and it seems with some malice, chose to ignore my other words, like “We have always underfunded the Veterans Administration, it is a shame, these men and women deserve much better.” It is the difference between whether or not a soldier thinks they deserve special treatment after war versus the need of the nation to believe they deserve better treatment. I don’t expect you to understand that difference.

One last note, probably a waste of time, but it is worth mentioning. The families of the murder victims of 9/11 were given roughly a million dollars a piece for their loss, which I think was wrong and outrageous. Yet, when our soldiers die in battle, their families get very little by comparison in financial compensation. Is that unfair? In one way it is, as the families of 9/11 are no different than any other murder victim’s families and did not deserve such compensation. On the other hand, our soldiers know going in that they are at high risk of death and their families will get little help after their deaths, but they go into harms way by choice, knowing the risks to them and their families. We fight, get wounded and many die out of a sense of duty and brotherhood, without any desire for any greater compensation than was agreed to in our enlistment contract.


No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman on March 23, 2008 at 09:39 am

wataputz,

This republic is worth defending.

Roman matrons used to say to their sons: “Come back with your shield, or on it.” Later on this custom declined. So did Rome.<sup>1</sup>

Which in turn is demonstrated by this young generation which is rising to the challenge.  In so doing they are making the republic more worthy.

As for you and several of your fellow travelers hereabouts:

Those who refuse to support and defend a state have no claim to protection by that state. Killing an anarchist or a pacifist should not be defined as “murder” in a legalistic sense. The offense against the state, if any, should be “Using deadly weapons inside city limits,” or “Creating a traffic hazard,” or “Endangering bystanders,” or other misdemeanor. However, the state may reasonably place a closed season on these exotic asocial animals whenever they are in danger of becoming extinct. An authentic buck pacifist has rarely been seen off Earth, and it is doubtful that any have survived the trouble there...regrettable, as they had the biggest mouths and the smallest brains of any of the primates. The small-mouthed variety of anarchist has spread through the Galaxy at the very wave front of the Diaspora; there is no need to protect them. But they often shoot back.<sup>2</sup>

Indeed.

<sup>1</sup> Robert Anson Heinlein, Time Enough for Love, First Intermission (also collected in The Notebooks of Lazarous Long).

<sup>2</sup> Robert Anson Heinlein, Time Enough for Love, Second Intermission (also collected in The Notebooks of Lazarous Long).


Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Rodney Graves on March 23, 2008 at 10:33 am

...the only way a member of my family will go to war for you is over my dead body.

First, as I recall, despite the worst efforts of those on the Left, we still have an all volunteer military in this country.

Second, your adamant opposition to military service is duly noted… but the fact of the matter is that no one who is, or has been, engaged in combat, would want someone like you anywhere near any sort of military action under any circumstances.  Nor is your “dead body” of terribly much concern.  It’s the others whose lives your presence would put at risk, the warriors, that really matter.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on March 23, 2008 at 10:36 am

Warriors

Of course, had there been no warriors during WW II, Watashiwa wouldn’t be here exercising his 1st Amendment rights. His forebearers would have been gassed by the victorius Nazis and he would have never existed.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

pparets on March 23, 2008 at 10:52 am

If I read some of you guys right, those soldiers who suffered disabling injuries should have died in Iraq rather than come back and be a burden on your pocketbook.
That would be a great insult to the men who fought and died on the White House grounds after world war 1 trying to get a GI Bill passed. A bill which many of you have been the beneficiaries of. It is odd that many of you right wingers who speak against a welfare state willingly join the American version: the U.S. military. You get free food, free housing, free health care, free travel. Then when you get out you conservatives run to the VA to grab
as many benefits as you can for every little pain or injury you endured while in service. All this at taxpayers expense. Then you turn around a get a government job which grants you more pay and benefits that many civilian workers do not gets. Also at taxpayer expense. Like I said you guys wrote the book on hypocrisy. Furthermore, anyone who thinks building a fence will keep us safe from terrorists is just plain dumb. You are dumber still if you think that it is honorable to go off to fight a war so a politician can put another notch on his bedpost.

watashiwa on March 23, 2008 at 05:18 pm

watashitwa offers:

If I read some of you guys right, those soldiers who suffered disabling injuries should have died in Iraq rather than come back and be a burden on your pocketbook.

Whereas I believe you looked into the miserable pouch that passes for your heart and read that into what we have said.


Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Rodney Graves on March 23, 2008 at 05:55 pm

wawatisha:  you need to examine your soul, dude. No one here - or anywhere else I know of - has said or intended anything remotely like what you have just posted here.

I only hope you were speaking out of uncontrolled anger, and not out of misguided sincerity.


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

pparets on March 23, 2008 at 06:11 pm

If I read some of you guys right, those soldiers who suffered disabling injuries should have died in Iraq rather than come back and be a burden on your pocketbook.

Just because one is in general opposition to the many socialism programs of the welfare state, it does not mean that they are against taking proper, even lifetime care of our broken soldiers or others in genuine need. You are jumping over cliffs that need not be jumped!


No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman on March 23, 2008 at 07:28 pm

"You guys are lost. You have bought the right wing super-patriot bull, lock, stock and barrel. When you free your minds and open your hearts, we’ll talk.
watashiwa on March 22, 2008 at 08:56 pm”

Pervert, it is called an “All Volunteer Military”. Get over yourself, you America hating scumbag.


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on March 24, 2008 at 05:39 am

lock, stock and barrel

Interesting choice of words! I wonder if he even realizes what it means?



A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Proof on March 24, 2008 at 05:48 am

I doubt it! Do a search on its usename, and see what I mean.


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on March 24, 2008 at 05:58 am

It is odd that many of you right wingers who speak against a welfare state willingly join the American version: the U.S. military. You get free food, free housing, free health care, free travel. Then when you get out you conservatives run to the VA to grab
as many benefits as you can for every little pain or injury you endured while in service.

What a disgusting little toad you are, watashiwa.

Ken McCracken on March 24, 2008 at 07:31 am

Its not a toad, its a pervert, as its usename states.


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on March 24, 2008 at 10:20 am

Hey! You mindless, stingy, slobbering, misguided perverts!
The only thing disgusting about this blog is your ignorance and self-serving agenda. I believe that if America had no enemies, you would invent them in your closed little minds. Make Americans fear for their domestic tranquility and you can do just about anything you want to. Just like Hitler and Stalin. Everyone who’s got his “GO BOX” ready, raise your hands! Ken McKracken, you proudly claim to be a racist. I don’t believe it. I think that you are just white trash. You call yourself a racist to make you feel good about your miserable existence. I am an American! I love my country too much to sit back and let you and your hate-filled propaganda destroy it.

watashiwa on March 24, 2008 at 04:03 pm

I am an American! I love my country too much to sit back and let you and your hate-filled propaganda destroy it.

Anyone who says that soldiers fighting for this nation are seeking ‘welfare’ and that veterans are whiners seeking free goodies is anti-American.

Why don’t you move to Cuba, you little freak.

Ken McCracken on March 24, 2008 at 06:07 pm

w[h]atashi[t]wa[d],

Even if there was a draft (which thank heavens there is not) I don’t think they’d be taking your sons:

cantreadbutsignpetitions.jpg

Those apples sure didn’t fall far from the tree.


Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Rodney Graves on March 24, 2008 at 06:22 pm

You...perverts!

Huh? Why did people start talking about sexual stuff rather than the issue?

I believe that if America had no enemies, you would invent them in your closed little minds.

You are calling US closed-minded? That’s a riot. That might just qualify for Newspeak.

I am an American! I love my country too much to sit back and let you and your hate-filled propaganda destroy it.

You love?

Ah, “hate”. You really should define your terms. To the Left, “hate” is an opinion contrary to their own. As a linguist, and a fan of Orwell, I am particularly disturbed when pundits (amateur or otherwise) either upend a word’s meaning entirely or dilute it to meaninglessness. As you have just done.

James Kuhn on March 24, 2008 at 06:25 pm

Come on guys. Conservatives can win arguments with reason and logic. We don’t need ad hominem attacks! That is what the Left is known for! Let them keep it.

James Kuhn on March 24, 2008 at 06:27 pm

JK, it is one of the definitions given for its usename. Note that it has not claimed one of the other defs.


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on March 24, 2008 at 06:29 pm

The name “Watashiwa”? If so, from Wikipedia:

Watashi Wa is Japanese and roughly translated means, depending on the context, “I”, “myself”, or, “As for me”. Fans have speculated that this is a reference to the Biblical “I am”, a phrase used throughout the Old and New Testament of the Bible by God and Jesus. It may also be a reference to Joshua 24:15 “As for me and my household, we will serve the LORD”.

James Kuhn on March 24, 2008 at 06:44 pm
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I believe that if America had no enemies, you would invent them in your closed little minds.

Give the guy some credit, he at least believes America has real enemies other than the ones we might invent if we didn’t have any....

Wow, that’ll make your head spin. It’s rather uncomfortable to watch people conflate the hypothetical with reality in an effort to discredit their political opponents.  What’s worse is when they start to “believe” it.

HG on March 24, 2008 at 07:46 pm

"Roman matrons used to say to their sons: “Come back with your shield, or on it.” Later on this custom declined. So did Rome.”.<sup>1</sup>

<sup>1</sup> Robert Anson Heinlein, Time Enough for Love, First Intermission (also collected in The Notebooks of Lazarous Long).

Rodney Graves

Someone here is “history” challenged. Reading Robert Anson Heinlein for his brilliant sci-fi writings is worth it as entertainment and his foresight.
But quoting him for historical accuracy/innacuracy is madness.
Dear beloved Rodney I take offence that you or R.A. Heinlein attribute to Roman matrons what Spartan mothers said to their children when they send them off to war.

ellinas on March 24, 2008 at 08:02 pm

overcompensating elinas,

I would respond that most Roman traditions were highly influenced by the Greeks, but since your opinion matters to me not at all, why bother?


Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Rodney Graves on March 24, 2008 at 08:32 pm

wiki, that is your “authoritative” source? Thats sad. No as sad as you trying to tell us that the pervert is claiming to be Jesus, sad all the same.

It has yet to prove that the Grand Forks police are prejudiced and murdering people. And now it takes a steaming crap all over the soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines of the United States, and you find it needful to defend its choice of usename.

To reiterate, our nation has an “All Volunteer Military”. And to preempt his next steaming pile of crap, anyone who has joined our military since September 12, 2001 had the full knowledge and awareness that combat duty was a likely outcome of graduation from Basic and AIT. Especially those thousands upon thousands of Americans who have “volunteered” for Combat Arms MOSs.

Continue on with your defense of the pervert, it is entertaining. And it has not denied that is the definition that applies to it. Has had the opportunity in 9 threads already. Why do you feel compelled to do so?


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on March 25, 2008 at 04:29 am

overcompensating elinas,

I would respond that most Roman traditions were highly influenced by the Greeks, but since your opinion matters to me not at all, why bother?

Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Rodney Graves on March 24, 2008 at 08:32 pm

Ummmm, for historical accuracy?
Is there any proof that Roman matrons made such a statement?
And for all it’s worth, you are correct about that “most Roman traditions were highly influenced by the Greeks”, but not this one beloved Rodney.
Love you bunches.
Your dear friend ellinas.

ellinas on March 25, 2008 at 09:04 am

overcompensating ellinas,

Take it up with Plutarch.


Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Rodney Graves on March 25, 2008 at 09:51 am

overcompensating ellinas,

Take it up with Plutarch.
Rodney Graves on March 25, 2008 at 09:51 am

Dearest Rodney. I would but grandpa Plutarch is long dead.
So is king Leonidas. They left me with this legacy so I feel obligated to defend it. Do you think I stand a chaqnce with a patent infrigement lawsuit? It does fall (IMO) under intellectual property.
Love your dearest best friend, ellinas

ellinas on March 25, 2008 at 03:54 pm

overcompensating ellinas,

The legacy of Leonidas is more properly that of those “better men” who go (or who have gone) in harm’s way.

As regards a patent infringement lawsuit, it would be amusing to see you try.

If you really want to continue this dispute with me, I’d recommend over grass and before breakfast.


Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Rodney Graves on March 25, 2008 at 04:58 pm

If you really want to continue this dispute with me, I’d recommend over grass and before breakfast.

Rodney Graves on March 25, 2008 at 04:58 pm

Dear Rodney: “Molon lave”.

ellinas on March 25, 2008 at 06:05 pm

watashiwa.  At least you grouped Stalin with Hitler.  No one can keep an 18 year old from defending this country.  There was an excellent piece in the WAPO about a father that lamented his son going into the Marines.  The school tried to “find out where we went wrong” ,etc.  I do not understand people like you who try to stand in the way of good people defending our country.  This country’s freedom was bought with the blood of patriots who defended our freedoms against the King of England.  We fought as they burned New London, Connecticut.  These type people are evil.  What part of 9/11/01 and Global Terrorism do you not understand?


Communism is evil

Chief RZ on March 25, 2008 at 06:22 pm

overcompensating ellinas,

Shall your friends call on mine?

Dulce et decorum est por patria morir.


Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Rodney Graves on March 25, 2008 at 07:32 pm

Dulce et decorum est por patria morir.

HA HA


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on March 25, 2008 at 07:40 pm

Who sent realitybasedboob an “Aunt Spelling Bea” badge?

Well, that’s what I get for going strait from memory.

Mea culpae.

Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.

We can now ignore RBB for the next 11:59:59.


Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Rodney Graves on March 25, 2008 at 07:50 pm

Well, that’s what I get for going strait from memory.

Mea culpae.


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on March 25, 2008 at 08:23 pm

1300 meaningless comments and 24 lies? Or vice versa?



A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Proof on March 25, 2008 at 08:27 pm

RGraves: Don’t you get it? RBB is obsessed with his own words and has nothing but contempt and mockery for anyone else’s. He actually thinks his stuff is clever, biting and witty.

You see kids on playgrounds who taunt others in much the same way.


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

pparets on March 25, 2008 at 08:33 pm

pparets writes:

Don’t you get it? RBB is obsessed with his own words and has nothing but contempt and mockery for anyone else’s. He actually thinks his stuff is clever, biting and witty.

You see kids on playgrounds who taunt others in much the same way.

True enough.  But being a man, when I find I have erred, my honor compels me to admit as much.  Certainly we see that rbb feels no such compulsion.  Like many of his generation, he has grown old without ever growing up.


Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Rodney Graves on March 25, 2008 at 08:38 pm

RGraves:  Well, of course, the difference between you and RBB is your honor and his lack of it.


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

pparets on March 25, 2008 at 08:45 pm

Oh you two are so cute together

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“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on March 25, 2008 at 08:47 pm

I rest my case.


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

pparets on March 25, 2008 at 08:54 pm

Oh, come on pparets. Have a sense of humor.

ellinas on March 25, 2008 at 09:54 pm

Dear Rodney: “Tharsen hre. O tolmon neka”
Translation: Courage is needed. He who dares (tries) wins.
There take that.

Your dear friend ellinas.
(ellinas=greek)

ellinas on March 25, 2008 at 10:01 pm

bushbinoculars.jpg

Semper fi brother

ellinas on March 25, 2008 at 10:04 pm

2Hotel9:

wiki, that is your “authoritative” source? Thats sad.

What?! I didn’t say “authoritative” so you shouldn’t put it in quotes. Wikipedia, while able to be edited, is usually right/well informed about non-controversial topics. Besides, I was just showing a possibility for its meaning, not trying to show proof.

No as sad as you trying to tell us that the pervert is claiming to be Jesus, sad all the same.

What?! I don’t even understand what you just said. Someone claimed to be Jesus? What in the Abyss are you rambling mindlessly on about THIS time? (You have a horrendous habit of [what must be the case of] barely glancing at my posts and GROSSLY inserting your own inner dialog into what you think my intentions are)

and you find it needful to defend its choice of usename.

Once again, I was asking about his username. (Notice I said “his”, not your dehumanizing favorite term “its") Are we talking about watashi wa? I posted an article from Wiki, suggesting that it COULD mean something.

Why is it when someone even comments on one of your tirades, you instantly assume they are defending someone/are out of their mind/a socialist?

Why do you feel compelled to do so?

Finally, a break from your rant to address me with what sounds like a non-rhetorical question. To answer:
1) I am not entirely sure who we’re even talking about. Watashi Wa? Elinas?
2) I had not begun to defend anyone on one of their points. What I do defend is anyone’s right to free speech. Since you (according to several comment threads I’ve shared with you) resort to ad hominem attacks 95% of the time, I DID later post for us to attack ideas, not people. That was directed primarily at you. Engage in cogent reason. But name calling? Are you serious? I assume 4th grade was a long time ago for all of us; let’s not revisit it.

James Kuhn on March 25, 2008 at 10:15 pm

ellinas,

I find no humor in rbb’s post.  Nor was any intended in mine to him.

Ὦ ξεῖν’, ἀγγέλλειν Λακεδαιμονίοις ὅτι τῇδε

κείμεθα, τοῖς κείνων ῥήμασι πειθόμενοι.


Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Rodney Graves on March 25, 2008 at 10:16 pm

Ah! I love linguistics.

Tell me if I made any mistakes:
“o ksein, angelein lakedaimoniois oti tayde keimetha, tois keinohn raymasi peithomenoi”

Something to do with Spartans (Laecedomonians?)

Persia delenda est.
Dare I say, “Ita vero!”?

James Kuhn on March 25, 2008 at 10:20 pm

JK, you are the one defending it, and yes, I mean “it”. It has seen fit to take a huge, steaming crap all over the women and men who volunteer to serve in our military during a time of war, and America in general. Not just once. Apparently you don’t have a problem with that. You do have a problem with people not being polite to it. Well, that is “your” problem. And you are the one who whipped wiki out.

e, whats wrong? Not enough space to post the pic of him taking the covers off, while laughing about his blinding faux pas.


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on March 26, 2008 at 04:26 am

Move_Zig: 

Alternately, they should be compelled to serve, rather than be allowed to exist as parasites of freedom which has been earned by those more brave and unselfish than they—but in a special capacity.

I like the idea, but it did not work during the Vietnam War.  Too many hippies were drafted, used drugs, sold drugs, tore down our military and fragged.
We do not need incompetents.


Communism is evil

Chief RZ on March 26, 2008 at 05:08 am

JK, you are the one defending it, and yes, I mean “it”.

You do have a problem with people not being polite to it. Well, that is “your” problem.

I don’t have a problem with you being impolite to people, I really don’t.
But I’m a Christian and a proud conservative, and I don’t like seeing other conservatives resort to dehumanization and name-calling when we can beat liberal thought to death with reason and logic. It also reinforces the stereotype of the cold-hearted Conservative.

Incidentally, this blog’s Commenting Policy also has a problem with it. “...comments that are overly abusive, threatening, overly profane or that divulge someone’s private information will be deleted” and “Commenters repeatedly violating these policies will be banned.”

It has seen fit to take a huge, steaming crap all over the women and men who volunteer to serve in our military during a time of war, and America in general. Not just once. Apparently you don’t have a problem with that.

Of course I have a problem with that. But those who have worn a uniform had an understanding long ago about those who flourish under the protection of the military, even while denigrating those in it. Military personnel are better men (and women) than them (I am not speaking about inherent superiority - we are all equal in the eyes of God - but one’s actions and character can certainly be superior).

So I suppose I am saying that I got used to it a while ago. The ideals that this commenter (Watashi Wa? Elinas?) spewed were castigated enough by me here, I think.

James Kuhn on March 26, 2008 at 06:57 pm

OK, lets see if I can explain this one more time. I am not a conservative. I am not a republican. I am an American. As for reason and logic, screw that. Someone craps on my country and my service I am going to respond in kind. You are free to stand on your honor and virtue and watch America continue to sink into the cesspool of socialistic stupidity. I spent 6 years in the US Army insuring you have the right to live on your knees if you so wish. I, and my son, fucking well will not.

And whilst we are on the subject,"per·vert (pr-vûrt)
tr.v. per·vert·ed, per·vert·ing, per·verts
1. To cause to turn away from what is right, proper, or good; corrupt.
2. To bring to a bad or worse condition; debase.
3. To put to a wrong or improper use; misuse. 
4. To interpret incorrectly; misconstrue or distort:” exactly how has watashiwa, the pervert, not fit that definition?


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on March 27, 2008 at 04:12 am

2Hotel9. During the six (6) years you spent in the service tell me who was threatening my way of life? Should we give you a medal for this service? Or did you just go for the bennies? Bet you’re in school on the dole. You’re just another misguided right-wing hypocrite who believes the government owes him for taking the easy way to a college education.

watashiwa on March 27, 2008 at 09:54 pm

Whatashitwad,

When you succumb to pneumoconiosis for the heavy-breathing, sweat-inducing acts that are your favorite pastime activities, maybe then you’ll learn two things: 1) 2Hotel9 will be one of the people that would offer you comfort regardless if he knew you or not and 2) you shouldn’t perform vulgar, self fulfilling, perverse combat on attached organs while in a small asbestos filled enclosure.

Something else you should learn, while your healthy, is that individuals like 2H9 would not hesitate to come to your aid when a couple of 1st graders threaten you and your cowardly relatives. So, be careful upon who you dump your loquacious babble…this repechage might be your last.


“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another...it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
Saint-Exupéry

laydownSally on March 28, 2008 at 12:15 am

Jealousy and envy. All that ever comes from America hating, insignificant perverts such as the pervert. And JK squeals that we must be polite and considerate to it.

This is the typical line of crap from people who either A. refused to serve, or B. got kicked out as being unfit in one way or another. They are angry at those who are their superiors, both physically and morally, and they lash out. Just like all its post. Go through them. Sadly self hating and angry at any who are not crawling in the feces filled gut it occupies.

Also note, it has yet to produce any evidence that the cops in Grand Forks are prejudiced while murdering people. I have not bothered to ask for any prove of any of the other stupidity it spews. Why waste the time. The derision heaping shovel is all the pervert is ever going to get.


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on March 28, 2008 at 03:47 am

And JK squeals that we must be polite and considerate to it.

I said for you not to dehumanize people.
You either can’t read, forgot, or are lying.

You and Fred Phelps are ideological gemini.

James Kuhn on March 28, 2008 at 04:11 pm

I just looked at my last post, where I said this:
“I don’t have a problem with you being impolite to people”.

This is approximately 10 inches above your post. Forgive me if I am jumping to conclusions, but I now suspect you are either clinically delusional, or a liar. (Note that this is not a mindless ad hominem attack - your specialty - but a possibility based upon your behavior and actions.)

And while you seem to hate socialists, liberals and anyone who disagrees with you, I hate lying. (Lying, not liars)

It would be nice if you represented me fairly in your disingenuous quotes of me. To date, you have a pretty poor record.

James Kuhn on March 28, 2008 at 04:21 pm

You said it. I just chopped it into easily digestible chunks.

Why are so concerned about groveling to your enemies? Because the pervert is far more your enemy than mine. It has nothing more than contempt for you. It fears me.


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on March 28, 2008 at 05:16 pm

If your objective is to verbally subjugate your political opposites, then fear is indeed a useful tool.

If your objective is to change your opponent’s mind and convert him to your way of thinking, then fear is usually ineffective. Only awe is useful in that situation, combined with rightness and/or righteousness. Do you believe that he awes you?

Which is your objective?

James Kuhn on March 28, 2008 at 06:04 pm
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