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Thursday, October 05, 2006

See?  I Told You

Just the other day, I wrote that something seemed fishy about the whole Foley-IM issue.  Now, Drudge is reporting that the whole thing was a prank gone bad.

It seems the whole IM thing was designed by the page to goad Foley into talking dirty over the Internet:

According to one Oklahoma source who knows the former page very well, Edmund, a conservative Republican, goaded Foley to type embarrassing comments that were then shared with a small group of young Hill politicos. The prank went awry when the saved IM sessions got into the hands of political operatives favorable to Democrats.

As I originally said, the logging of the IMs was suspicious to me.  Apparently, I was right to question it.

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Well, Mr. One Oklahoma Source Who Knows The Former Page Very Well, I tip ma’ hat to you. We were all wrong! Mr. One Oklahoma Source Who Knows The Former Page Very Well said so!

Dave on October 5, 2006 at 11:11 am
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This is BIG deal, make no mistake about it.

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I watched a report on Fox News of internal GOP polls suggesting the Republicans will probably loose about 20 House seats if Hasterst resigns or ~50 is he doesn’t resign as the Speaker of the House.

Does Karl Rove want Hastert out? ...

aNONOMISLY on October 5, 2006 at 11:15 am
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..found an article on their site:

FOXNEWS.COM HOME > POLITICS

Internal Poll Suggests Hastert Could Devastate GOP
Thursday, October 05, 2006

WASHINGTON — House Republican candidates will suffer massive losses if House Speaker Dennis Hastert remains speaker until Election Day, according to internal polling data from a prominent GOP pollster, FOX News has learned.

“The data suggests Americans have bailed on the speaker,” a Republican source briefed on the polling data told FOX News. “And the difference could be between a 20-seat loss and 50-seat loss.”

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The GOP source told FOX News that the internal data had not been widely shared among Republican leaders, but as awareness of it spreads calculations about Hastert’s tenure may change. The source described the pollster who did the survey as “authoritative,” and said once the numbers are presented, it “could change the focus” on whether the speaker remains in power.

..seems like a GOP way of diplomatically showing Hastert the door(?) i.e. your a great man, but please don’t hurt the party anymore.

aNONOMISLY on October 5, 2006 at 11:19 am
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I’d be interested in knowing who that pollster is and what his/her motivations are for saying such a thing.

And I’m not exactly convinced that the idea that the page goaded Foley into talking sexy is all that great of a revelation.  Foley still did it.  It’s sort of like blaming the fact that you cheated on your wife on the fact that you couldn’t resist the red head at the end of the bar who was making eyes at you.


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Rob on October 5, 2006 at 06:57 pm

As one after the other of the Dem lies are revealed on this one, it will benefit the Republicans, if they just stand their ground.  No one with any character acts from “poll results”.


"If the good men are silent only the wicked are heard.” - Edmund Burke

robert108 on October 5, 2006 at 07:41 pm

And I’m not exactly convinced that the idea that the page goaded Foley into talking sexy is all that great of a revelation.

What it does change is that it switches Foley from being a predator to being a guy with really, really bad judgement.  Thinking that you are being invited into a consensual relationship is far different from manipulating a youth into that same relationship.


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Steve L. on October 6, 2006 at 03:34 am
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Thinking that you are being invited into a consensual relationship is far different from manipulating a youth into that same relationship.
Steve L. on October 6, 2006 at 07:34 am

That’s a great point Steve. Understanding motivation and intent should make a big difference in how folks draw conclusions.

Bezu Fache on October 6, 2006 at 04:06 am
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The Page denies Drudge’s story based 9on an annonymous source.

There is not any aspect of this matter that is a practical joke nor should anyone treat it that way.”

.Fiction

Drudge qualifies the story

“The prank scenario only applies to the Edmund IM sessions and does not necessarily apply to any other exchanges between the former congressman and others.

So many pages, so much time.

WOOF on October 6, 2006 at 04:57 am
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I believe this is the former Page now working for the Campaign of Congressman Ernest Istook (R-Oklahoma)(?) ..if so, his lawyer is denying it was a prank.

aNONOMISLY on October 6, 2006 at 07:04 am
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Fox News is now reporting how new GOP internal polls are reinforcing a bleak assesment:

Folley Fallout

aNONOMISLY on October 6, 2006 at 07:21 am
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