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Thursday, November 02, 2006

Saddam A Year Away From A Nuke At The Time We Deposed Him

WILLIAM J. BROAD in The New York Times:


Last March, the federal government set up a Web site to make public a vast archive of Iraqi documents captured during the war. The Bush administration did so under pressure from Congressional Republicans who had said they hoped to “leverage the Internet” to find new evidence of the prewar dangers posed by Saddam Hussein.

But in recent weeks, the site has posted some documents that weapons experts say are a danger themselves: detailed accounts of Iraq’s secret nuclear research before the 1991 Persian Gulf war. The documents, the experts say, constitute a basic guide to building an atom bomb.

Last night, the government shut down the Web site after The New York Times asked about complaints from weapons experts and arms-control officials. A spokesman for the director of national intelligence said access to the site had been suspended “pending a review to ensure its content is appropriate for public viewing.”

Officials of the International Atomic Energy Agency, fearing that the information could help states like Iran develop nuclear arms, had privately protested last week to the American ambassador to the agency, according to European diplomats who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the issue’s sensitivity. One diplomat said the agency’s technical experts “were shocked” at the public disclosures.

The documents, roughly a dozen in number, contain charts, diagrams, equations and lengthy narratives about bomb building that nuclear experts who have viewed them say go beyond what is available elsewhere on the Internet and in other public forums. For instance, the papers give detailed information on how to build nuclear firing circuits and triggering explosives, as well as the radioactive cores of atom bombs.

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The government had received earlier warnings about the contents of the Web site. Last spring, after the site began posting old Iraqi documents about chemical weapons, United Nations arms-control officials in New York won the withdrawal of a report that gave information on how to make tabun and sarin, nerve agents that kill by causing respiratory failure.

The campaign for the online archive was mounted by conservative publications and politicians, who said that the nation’s spy agencies had failed adequately to analyze the 48,000 boxes of documents seized since the March 2003 invasion. With the public increasingly skeptical about the rationale and conduct of the war, the chairmen of the House and Senate intelligence committees argued that wide analysis and translation of the documents — most of them in Arabic — would reinvigorate the search for clues that Mr. Hussein had resumed his unconventional arms programs in the years before the invasion. American search teams never found such evidence.

The director of national intelligence, John D. Negroponte, had resisted setting up the Web site, which some intelligence officials felt implicitly raised questions about the competence and judgment of government analysts. But President Bush approved the site’s creation after Congressional Republicans proposed legislation to force the documents’ release.

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A spokesman for the National Security Council, Gordon D. Johndroe, said, “We’re confident the D.N.I. is taking the appropriate steps to maintain the balance between public information and national security.”

The Web site, “Operation Iraqi Freedom Document Portal,” was a constantly expanding portrait of prewar Iraq. Its many thousands of documents included everything from a collection of religious and nationalistic poetry to instructions for the repair of parachutes to handwritten notes from Mr. Hussein’s intelligence service. It became a popular quarry for a legion of bloggers, translators and amateur historians.

Among the dozens of documents in English were Iraqi reports written in the 1990s and in 2002 for United Nations inspectors in charge of making sure Iraq had abandoned its unconventional arms programs after the Persian Gulf war. Experts say that at the time, Mr. Hussein’s scientists were on the verge of building an atom bomb, as little as a year away.

European diplomats said this week that some of those nuclear documents on the Web site were identical to the ones presented to the United Nations Security Council in late 2002, as America got ready to invade Iraq. But unlike those on the Web site, the papers given to the Security Council had been extensively edited, to remove sensitive information on unconventional arms.


Read the whole thing.

After all the lying about our supposed “failures” in Iraq, it is good that even the NYT has to admit evidence that going there was a very good move. Saddam with nukes would have been very bad. It’s hard to dispute that we are a whole lot better off because our President led the way to deposing him.

It’s also interesting that the UN has done its best to censor this truth.

Why did it take the NYT so long to tell us about this website? Why did they wait until it was shut down? They were quick enough on the Foley thing, which as we know, is vital to the safety of the free world.

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Interesting interpretation of the story. I thought you might be upset that your government posted educational articles for terrorists on the Web but you appear more interested in slagging the media and the UN.


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MikeAdamson on November 3, 2006 at 07:11 am
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I thought you might be upset that your government posted educational articles for terrorists on the Web but you appear more interested in slagging the media and the UN.

Oh man...I love it.

The Bush administration releases all these documents which show that Saddam Hussein was actively seeking nuclear weapons and was working with terrorists and the liberals/media couldn’t be more dismissive.

Until, of course, they can spin the release of this information as being negative for national security.

I mean, according to the Times itself, Saddam was a year away from a nuke.  Can we finally agree that UN sanctions weren’t working and that invasion was the right thing to do?


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Rob on November 3, 2006 at 07:43 am

Among the dozens of documents in English were Iraqi reports written in the 1990s and in 2002 for United Nations inspectors in charge of making sure Iraq had abandoned its unconventional arms programs after the Persian Gulf war. Experts say that at the time, Mr. Hussein’s scientists were on the verge of building an atom bomb, as little as a year away.

Wouldn’t that put us in the 1990’s rather than in this century?


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MikeAdamson on November 3, 2006 at 07:43 am
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Why does that matter?  Saddam was actively pursuing nukes, and the sanctions weren’t stopping him.


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Rob on November 3, 2006 at 07:45 am

Rob...I don’t think it’s reasonable to use evidence pertaining to the Persian Gulf War era as justification for policy action now. That’s why it matters.


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MikeAdamson on November 3, 2006 at 07:55 am
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There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Mike, plug this information into the larger situation.  Saddam wasn’t allowing inspections.  He was playing coy about having WMD’s.

Honestly, I hate that for people like you seemingly the only justification for invasion is after Saddam gets nukes and uses one.


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Rob on November 3, 2006 at 07:58 am

Rob...if you can explain how the fact that Saddam was apparently a year away from having nukes when the Persian Gulf War ended means that he was close to getting them when Iraq was invaded then I’d love to hear it. Maybe he was getting close but this current story doesn’t prove it...it only proves that some people don’t read very carefully.


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MikeAdamson on November 3, 2006 at 08:12 am
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Mike, Saddam apparently had information in advance of what Iran has (that we know of anyway) for building a nuclear weapon.

We also know that, despite protestations from Joe Wilson, Saddam was seeking uranium.

What more do you want?  Honestly Mike, open your stinkin’ eyes.  This information, put into the grand scheme of things, supports the invasion of Iraq.  Saddam was seeking uranium.  He had nuclear plans.  He was sponsoring international terrorism and working with other international terror organizations.  He was oppressing millions of his people, and murdering tens of thousands every year.

And still you oppose invasion...because why?  Saddam hadn’t actually had his people put a nuke together yet?  Jerusalem was not yet a smoldering hole in the ground?

Give me a break.


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Rob on November 3, 2006 at 08:22 am

Saddam was using the oil for food profits to prepare for the day when sanctions were lifted.  He fully intended to start up his WMD programs as soon as possible.  President Bush prevented all that by deposing him.  Duh.  Or maybe you think that an insane, murdering dictator was just going to forget all about what he already knew?  That is naive and ridiculous.
The real story here is that the NYT sat on this info for at least 8 months in an obvious attempt to spring a late election surprise, only to have it blow up in their faces.


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robert108 on November 3, 2006 at 10:33 am

Rob...it’s reasonable of you to support the invasion because you believed that Saddam had or was close to getting WMD that posed a threat to your nation and the rest of us for that matter. What is not reasonable is to use 15 year old evidence to advance the claim when subsequent investigations have turned up zip. Do you see the difference?

I understand the embarrassment of some who trumpeted the NYT story this morning only to find that they’ve misread it but please give me a break.


"The national budget must be balanced. The public debt must be reduced; the arrogance of the authorities must be moderated and controlled. Payments to foreign governments must be reduced if the nation doesn’t want to go bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.”
Cicero, 55 BC

MikeAdamson on November 3, 2006 at 02:45 pm

MikeA: I guess you forgot this, but we are not at war with the free nation of Iraq; we are at war with the terrorist factions that are trying to impose their will on the people of the ME and the rest of the world.  The fact that Saddam was a year away from having nukes is extremely important; it has no expiration date on it.  That knowledge doesn’t disappear with time; he was just waiting for the right opportunity to put it into action.  To think otherwise is to be in serious denial.


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robert108 on November 3, 2006 at 02:51 pm
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