Say Anything Blog

Proof:  you forgot the empty Nachos bag…

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

you forgot the empty Nachos bag…

You’re right! If it don’t turn your fingers orange, it ain’t snack food!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Ok, here is a challenge for you.

I, rbb, will refrain from preemptive personal attacks from this day forward.
I reserve the right to return fire if attacked.

Who else here will take this pledge?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

rbb:  What!!?? And take the sport out of SAB?  No way!!  You are, as always, a lying, leftie, commie, pinko, unAmerican jerk. 

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

I, rbb, will refrain from preemptive personal attacks from this day forward.
I reserve the right to return fire if attacked.

Who else here will take this pledge?

Im in.  Define “attacked”.

Foul language
Derogatory personal description
Ya know, things you would not say in front of your mother

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

rbb pledge

Amendment one:

All commenters will stipulate that all commenters love the United States of America.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

amendment two:  Even though it’s not foul language, calling someone a troll, fascist and socialist is considered an insult.

If Hannitized is “in” does that mean he will stop calling Rob names at the drop of a hat? I’ll believe it when I see it!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Proof, will you take the pledge?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

rbb will so stipulate

Amendment 2 is adopted

Proof, will you take the pledge?

Will anyone else here besides the two left wingers take this pledge?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Even though it’s not foul language, calling someone a troll, fascist and socialist is considered an insult.

How about propagandist? There’s an entire litany of charges you bring against Rob regularly,in lieu of bringing an actual argument. Will you forswear those, Hannitized?

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Even though it’s not foul language, calling someone a troll, fascist and socialist is considered an insult.

How about “propagandist”? There’s an entire litany of charges you bring against Rob regularly,in lieu of bringing an actual argument. Will you forswear those, Hannitized?

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Socialist?  an insult?  Why don’t you tell us what we can call you that accurately communicates your willingness to subject society to strict govt management of all aspects of the economy, takes the freedom out of the market and nationalizes various industries?

You could simply say you disagree and present your views on the subject.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Socialist isn’t an insult.  It’s a descriptive term that often aptly describes folks on the left.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

Rob’s recently listened-to songs:

You could simply say you disagree and present your views on the subject.

It’s not like “socialist” is calling anyones names.  It characterizes a political ideology and a threat to freedom.  Bringing attention to known threats is important when considering and debating a course for society.  We wouldn’t want anyone to be led astray by empty promises like others throughout history.  To many of us liberty is more than just another ideology, we believe in it, we love it, and we treasure it.  So it isn’t just calling names, it’s intended to compare and contrast other’s ideology with freedom so as to shine some light on the issue rather than just feeling our way around it.

Socialist?  an insult? Why don’t you tell us what we can call you that accurately communicates your willingness to subject society to strict govt management of all aspects of the economy, takes the freedom out of the market and nationalizes various industries?

Or there was the time he wanted to take someone’s vote away...for some reason or another… I think he fit the definition of “fascist” then!

I think Hannitized wants immunization from being labeled for any of the “isms” he embraces!

And don’t get me started on “troll"!

Clarification: I did not directly call any one any names in this post. One could draw inference from my language what my meaning was. Will it take a panel at the Hague to sort out breaches of etiquette? Or can any signatory merely cry “Foul” and opt out.

I think you boys are a little long on the swearing on over the swearing at, without knowing fully what you’re swearing to!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Full disclosure: I did not mean “boys” in any kind of racial sense, but rather the sense that old age and cunning will overcome youth and enthusiasm!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

You could simply say you disagree and present your views on the subject.

Historically, liberalism has failed wherever it has been tried.  America has proven liberty to be superior.  To “simply disagree” would be a huge understatement.

I will sign on if we can agree that curling is the best sport in the world.

No passion so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear
*Edmund Burke*

Mike,

Sorry, but the curling thing is an absolute deal breaker.

Out Here
Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

I’ll take the pledge. The instant I’m called a right wing flak, a liar, a racist, or any other name, I revoke it and will double my attack on filthy leftist vermin.

Til then, I’m on record with my pledge.

Ok, here is a challenge for you.

I, rbb, will refrain from preemptive personal attacks from this day forward.
I reserve the right to return fire if attacked.

To the contrary; that’s a challenge for you.  I’ll wait a few months to see if you keep your word.  It’s on you, bud.
Talk the talk, then walk the walk.  Prove yourself before you ask anything of anyone else.  Show some integrity.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

I’m wondering, too, about Hannitized and the frequent flier miles he gets from “liar” and “hypocrite”.

If he says: “Rob you’re lying!” (of course he wouldn’t say that exactly-- there’s an apostrophe in the correct place!) repeatedly, is that any different that calling him a “liar”?
If I say: “Hannitized, that’s very hypocritical of you to say.” repeatedly, is that any different from calling him a “hypocrite”?

It seems to me that these fellas are trying to build their own Treaty of Versailles, but are having trouble getting anyone to play the Germans!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

How about propagandist? There’s an entire litany of charges you bring against Rob regularly,in lieu of bringing an actual argument. Will you forswear those, Hannitized?

I think my acceptance of the pledge was pretty obvious.

But let’s be clear.  It seems that you are making loopholes for this pledge so that you can continue to be insulting.  Is this true?

Example:

If I say: “Hannitized, that’s very hypocritical of you to say.” repeatedly, is that any different from calling him a “hypocrite”?

Applying a negative to someone is very close....but who will be the judge on this one?

Let’s try the smell test.

Are you comfortable with “Rob, that’s very dishonest of you to say”?

If he says: “Rob you’re lying!” (of course he wouldn’t say that exactly-- there’s an apostrophe in the correct place!) repeatedly, is that any different that calling him a “liar”?

There is no way you are going to be able to stop this, is there?

So who is in?

Socialist isn’t an insult.  It’s a descriptive term that often aptly describes folks on the left.

????  Isn’t calling someone a Socialist....WHO ISNT.....an insult?  Calling someone a liar is also a descriptive term.

I know I have NEVER said anything that would qualify me to be called a Socialist, yet I have been on far too many occasions.

Why is it that our primary leftard trolls are begging for surrender terms? sannitized, theracebaitingpovertypimp, and boob, the realitydenyingmoron, keep getting their teeth kicked in every time they start their crap. Now they want to surrender, just like their hero Mookie Sadr.

boob? You are a moron, plain and simple.

sannitized? Obamoid said it, he means it as said, and you are a bitter racebaitingpovertypimp Democrat. And every single thing you have posted on it just proves both points.

Now, do another hit and let that sink in, then come tell us how it makes you “feel”. Oh, and you still have not provided the voluminous evidence of Rob lying. About anything. Ever. Just as boob has yet to supply the extensive and exhaustive list of the THOUSANDS of innocent Americans persecuted under the Patriot Act and FISA.

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Thats because you are a socialist, sanni.

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Why do I suspect that the main reason for this “sanitized” agreement is to shield the resident trolls for being called out for their multitudinous transgressions?

Again, point of clarification: If I said, “Hannitized, your writings are indistinguishable from those of a half-witted macaque.” Would that be “name calling” if I merely comment on the quality of his writing?

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

I think my acceptance of the pledge was pretty obvious.

More obfuscation in lieu of “yes” or “no”!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

I usually ignore 2H9 anyway, so it matters not it he is in or out.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Notice, Proof, they are begging terms. That is what the defeated do.

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Why do I suspect that the main reason for this “sanitized” agreement is to shield the resident trolls for being called out for their multitudinous transgressions?

Maybe because you don’t fully understand the point of the challenge? 

If I said, “Hannitized, your writings are indistinguishable from those of a half-witted macaque.” Would that be “name calling” if I merely comment on the quality of his writing?

I would say that qualifies as disparaging.  If I said that about Rob, would you be offended.  Why does it seem the only way you can understand an insult, if it is applied to Rob?

Obviously the concept of civil debate is a pipedream when one includes the locals here.

But that’s not surprising, when all they have is a hammer, everything looks like their thumb.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Classic Rbb.  Classic.

Why does it seem the only way you can understand an insult, if it is applied to Rob?

I never said I couldn’t understand the insult, oh Kahuna of the Kiddie Pool! I ask the questions to illustrate that there are more ways than one to disparage the diminutive intelligence of the dim witted and dull!

Shall I now point out the irony of the guests at a blog named “Say Anything” sitting around and conspiring as to what they will compact not to say!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Thank you, I just made that up.

It’s damn early there...what’s up?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

I dunno man?  I came home and fell asleep and then woke up and thought I would check and see who has decided to accept the challenge.  I better put down the laptop.

I never said I couldn’t understand the insult, oh Kahuna of the Kiddie Pool! I ask the questions to illustrate that there are more ways than one to disparage the diminutive intelligence of the dim witted and dull!

You didnt show an accurate representation of “another way’ to disparage someone, you showed “the” way to disparage someone. 

Disparaging someone is disparaging someone, no matter how you slice it.

Shall I now point out the irony of the guests at a blog named “Say Anything” sitting around and conspiring as to what they will compact not to say!

So then why do you get upset when I give Rob what he deserves?

Do as you say, not as you do?  Is this your message?

You didnt (sic) (apostrophobia?) show an accurate representation of “another way’ to disparage someone, you showed “the” way to disparage someone.

I did not show “the” way, oh troll who cannot count, I showed several ways. (Pay attention for a change!)

why do you get upset when I give Rob what he deserves?

If you mean lying about him and calling him a liar every time you disagree with him, then you and I have very different ideas of what “deserves” means!

If you insist on repeatedly being as mind numbingly dishonest as you have been in the past, then I would say: Expect no respite.

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

I’ll take the pledge.

But does this mean that I can’t poke fun at someone by mimicking their awkward over-use of italics and bolding? 

terms of surrender

My thought exactly Proof. Especially coming from RBB and Hannitized.  These two have made personal attacks thier signature, yet they wish now to behave themselves if we will “simply disagree” and not label them by thier liberal agenda as “socialists”. 

Rbb & H,

I’ll as again:

Why don’t you tell us what we can call you that accurately communicates your willingness to subject society to strict govt management of all aspects of the economy, takes the freedom out of the market and nationalizes various industries?

If you’re commitment to liberalism is not the road to socialism, what is?  If your commitement to liberalism does not threaten freedom, how so?  And finally, why, after a glorious history of excellence, achievement, and tremendous prosperity, should America abandon liberty and freedom in the market, directly responsible for this success, for policies which have failed time and time again throughout history?

You’re your. 

That new years resolution didn’t take.  I’ll try to get back to it.

HG: I wouldn’t lose any sleep over this latest empty promise from a leftie.
I think “Say Anything” means just that; trying to create group identity to restrict the communication of ideas is an old leftie trick.  After establishing their “pledge”, the lefties then start deciding what constitutes “insult”.  Neat, huh?
With lefties, it’s all about “divide and conquer”.  They are always trying to create new factions through discontent.  If that guy really wanted to improve the quality of discourse on this blog, he would start behaving more civilly, stop spamming the reader blogs, and stop trying to troll for responses by baiting the conservatives here, but instead, he wants us all to take “a pledge”, as if he has no responsibility for his past actions.
Don’t be fooled.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Andrew: Go for it, my man!

Elsewhere on this blog, a certain troll, who shall remain nameless, lest we deflate all of the meaningless “self-esteem” inculcated by his all too brief acquaintance with the public schools, continues to insinuate that Rob Port is less than honest.
Into the Way Back machine to March 22, 2008, 11:19 PM. Said troll, who shall remain nameless, falsely accused Rob of saying something he didn’t say, namely that he endorsed Ted Nugent for saying less than kind things about certain Democrats.
(Note: Anyone with reading skills above elementary school should have been able to glean that from the text itself! Not so our nameless troll!)
Fast forward to 11:35 PM, a short sixteen minutes later: Rob linked to an earllier post of his, where he explicitly said he did not condone such speech by this very individual.

So, having been wrong on the prima facie evidence in the post (the absence of any such words) and having had the exact opposite demonstrated to him via the link to the earlier post, what action do you think our mind numbingly dishonest (yet nameless) troll took?

A) He apologized.

B) He admitted he was in error.

C) “A” + “B”

D) Disappeared from the thread without a word, to pretend it never happened.

I’m sure the suspense is killing you, so don’t take my word for it. Click on the links and see who is telling the truth and who is full of Hannitized!

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Clarification: If I say someone if full of Hannitized, is that disparaging?

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Just to give everyone a heads up...I’m not signing on to the accord and I’m planning a display of severely inappropriate conduct in the near future. If you want to blame anyone, you can blame Rodney and his irrational hatred of the roaring game.

You had your chance so don’t come crying to me later.

No passion so effectually robs the mind of all its powers of acting and reasoning as fear
*Edmund Burke*

The idea of Reality Based Bob (he of the frequent “nutters” jabs) and Hannitized (he of the “Rob is a sack of turd” comments) lecturing the rest of us about civility is just laugh-out-loud funny.

For my part, I will to continue to comment as I always do.  I will be respectful to most, and rude to those I feel deserve it.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Leave it to one of the lefties to make an individual promise, then attempt to “go collective” on it.  Just keep your promise, rbb!  Don’t try to control the rest of us.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

I am willing to forgo name calling.

Are you?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

I am willing to forgo name calling.

We’ll see if you really mean that.  Do you have trouble with acting independently?  Why do you need others to “join” you?  Practice what you preach.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

why are you attacking a peace maker?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

BTW, “leftie” isn’t namecalling; it’s an accurate description, but there you go, trying to redefine terms to suit your agenda.  Just keep your word, and the level of discussion on Say Anything will be much better.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Leftie is name calling just as nutter is name calling.
Liberal, Democrat, Progressive, Conservative, Republican, Reagan Republican…all non inflammatory, why not use those?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

No, boob, “leftie” is merely descriptive. That it pisses you off indicates its accuracy.

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why are you attacking a peace maker?

I’m not “attacking” you; I just don’t believe you will do what you claim you will do.  After your history on this blog, it will take a lot more than one promise to restore trust in your integrity, or to demonstrate that you even have any integrity.  The ball is in your court.  The burden of proof is on you.
You whine about being “attacked”, instead of engaging in rational discourse.  Not impressive.  You seem to be playing the victim game, which is what bullies do when they have been confronted.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Furthermore, rbb, even if you demonstrate you have actually turned over a new leaf, and continue to present yourself logically and rationally, abandoning your history of baiting and slandering conservatives on this blog, along with your relentless namecalling, you deserve no special praise for that.  It’s called “being a decent human being”, and growing up should be its own reward for you, if you really mean it.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

I am asking for all of us to use a less inflammatory descriptive narrative.
Is there anyone here willing to try it?

A simple yes or no will do.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Leftie is name calling just as nutter is name calling. Liberal, Democrat, Progressive, Conservative, Republican, Reagan Republican…all non inflammatory, why not use those?

So now you want to control the language on this blog, eh?  Maybe this was the hidden agenda all along.
Some names have content, and others are simply used to inflict harm, with no redeeming value other than that. 
“Leftie” indicates a political ideology, while “nutter” just means someone who doesn’t agree with you.  See the difference?

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

A simple yes or no will do.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Begging terms of surrender. Now upon his knees. A position he is quite familiar with.

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A simple yes or no will do.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

I am asking for all of us to use a less inflammatory descriptive narrative.

You first, bob!  Show us the way, the shining path to your personal enlightenment.
Your initial statement was a promise involving your own behavior.  Live up to it before trying to get others to do it.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

A simple yes or no will do.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

I think “Say Anything” means just that; trying to create group identity to restrict the communication of ideas is an old leftie trick.  After establishing their “pledge”, the lefties then start deciding what constitutes “insult”.  Neat, huh?

I think the only thing that is laugh out loud funny, is the fact that only the two Dems are the ones who are willing to try and stop the unnecessary insulting.

The idea that you believe that your insults are accurate and ours are not, is a reflection of how you approach politics and debate the issues.

A simple yes or no will do.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

You first, bob!  Show us the way, the shining path to your personal enlightenment.
Your initial statement was a promise involving your own behavior.  Live up to it before trying to get others to do

This of course is the extended version of; Do as I say, not as I do.

A simple yes or no will do.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

What? You didn’t get that PM, boob? Don’t worry, we will force you to comply. sanni, too.

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I think the only thing that is laugh out loud funny, is the fact that only the two Dems are the ones who are willing to try and stop the unnecessary insulting.

Actually, r108 makes a great deal of sense.  And given the insults both Hannitized and RBB have hurled at me, personally, I don’t think much of their pledge at all.

This is how free speech codes at universities work (information on this subject here).  They put in broad definitions of what is “hateful” or “harmful” types of speech, and then ostracize anyone engaging in speech that falls within that broad definition.  Which, for them, is whatever kind of speech they disagree with.

The title of this blog is Say Anything.  I would prefer that the “Anything” not be small-minded insults, but every person here is responsible for the things they themselves say.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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A simple yes or no will do.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Groveling on your knees, begging for surrender terms. You look just like Mookie Sadr.

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This of course is the extended version of; Do as I say, not as I do.

Nope.  I see you’re already building your “case” to go back on your original promise, though.  It’s always someone else’s fault, isn’t is, bob?
You made a promise, now stick to it.  No one else is obligated to follow you, are they?
Here’s a little experiment for you: Keep your word, and see how things improve on this blog.  You are the source of a whole lot of bad energy here, and you can do a lot, all by yourself, to turn that around.
Go ahead, be a man and give it a try for a month or three.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

...only the two Dems are the ones who are willing to try and stop the unnecessary
insulting.

Since you two are the source of about 90% of it, that’s the appropriate remedy.  Of course, if you two had any integrity, the problem would have been very small to begin with.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

A simple yes or no will do.

Are you going to keep your promise to the rest of us, bob?

A simple yes or no will do.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

yes

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

I, rbb, will refrain from preemptive personal attacks from this day forward.
I reserve the right to return fire if attacked.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Finally! A “yes” from boob. A “yes” that it is on its knees, begging for terms of surrender. Here is a bit of advice, don’t start a pissing contest you ain’t got the piss to win. As you obviously have here.

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Oh, and where is that extensive and exhaustive list of the THOUSANDS of innocent American citizens persecuted under the Patriot Act and FISA?

And so sanni does not “feel” left out when it comes to in a couple of hours, where are all those examples of Rob lying? We are still here, waiting.

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rbb: I notice you gave yourself an escape hatch from your “promise”.  Not very manly.
If you really believe what you say, stick with it, no matter what.  It’ll make a man out of you.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

Losers do not return fire.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Well, that settles that. You are begging for terms of surrender, you are the loser. Goodbye.

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

Losers do not return fire.

Tell that to the Kaiser...and Herr Schickelgruber...and Mussolini...and…

A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)