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Monday, May 05, 2008

RBB Neglects to Tell Real Story About Iraq Commander

Sanchez commanded the US military in Iraq from 2003-2004. The three-star general was relieved of his commander in 2004 following the Abu Ghraib scandal, and in 2005, was told his career was over and he wouldn’t be promoted to a fourth star.

The primary reason appears to be his involvement in authorizing harsh tactics for the treatment of Iraqi prisoners.

Bob doesn’t want to tell us that part of the story.  Gross incompetence accusations?  From the man behind Abu Ghraib?  The same Abu Ghraib that set us back a full year in the war due to the PR nightmare it caused?  Perhaps this wasn’t all Sanchez’s fault and perhaps he was scapegoated, but it certainly isn’t gross incompetence to fail to promote a general that presided over the disaster.

What this leaves open to question is whether the demotions, firings, lack of promotions, etc., went far enough up the food chain or went too far.  Most folks that hate the Bush Administration wanted to see Rummy punished.  It appears that Sanchez thinks he was punished unfairly and that the issue went too far up.  Some kind of Goldilocks effect.  It cost him a 4th Star but considering the damage it did to US international standing, I believe that the Bush Administration did the best that they could to hold people accountable.

And that is what is great about RBB.  He cuts and pastes a paragraph or two, but fails to ever tell the whole story.  Why not include the two paragraphs that I did?  Oh, if he did it wouldn’t be worth him posting because it wouldn’t paint the distorted picture of the Bush Administration and Republicans that suits his agenda.

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but it certainly isn’t gross incompetence to fail to promote a general that presided over the disaster.

Gee, I thought you nutters were fixed on the few bad apples meme.

Way to jump on Flipper John’s bandwagon.


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on May 5, 2008 at 09:13 am
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Way to feign credibility Rbb.

HG on May 5, 2008 at 09:20 am

"blackwater"boob: sullying the reputations of partisan hacks everywhere!


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Rodney Graves on May 5, 2008 at 09:33 am
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I gather that Reality thinks it went too far up the chain, which leaves Bush innocent of anything ‘Aboo Grabb.’ (Channeling Mr. Gore.)

Another problem with Abu Ghraib scandal is we left the prisons too much in Afghani and Iraqi control with too little oversight.  We got burned by doing the stupid kind of stuff that likely happens in our own prisons so we left it to them… to do the stupid kind of stuff that happens in Middle East prisons.  Take your pick on what you’d prefer.

FlyOnTheWall on May 5, 2008 at 10:10 am

Gee, I thought you nutters were fixed on the few bad apples meme.

First, it was a few bad apples.  But bad apples or not, it was also a lack of oversight of the system itself.  Ultimately, the situation was made worse by poor handling by leadership at both the operational level and at the more senior level. 

Promotions are not a right or a given.  And these issues happened on Sanchez’s watch.  Whether there were a few bad apples (which in this case there were) does not absolve operational leadership of their need to supervise the folks working under them.  The question is “to what level should accountability rise”?  And the second question is “what level of accountability and consequences are appropriate”?

Sanchez was replaced in the chain of command.  The General in charge of Abu Ghraib was replaced and retired.  The individuals that committed the crimes were demoted, imprisoned, and discharged.  Obviously , Sanchez, Rumsfeld and Bush should not be put in prison (though some on the left think they should), but being denied a 4th Star seems a logical move.  We do not promote the folks that preside over these type of situations.  Maybe in a union job folks get promoted, but these actions demonstrated gross dereliction of duty in supervising the activities occurring.  He had direct operational supervisory control unlike Bush and Rummy.  He was the logical highest domino to fall and his only punishment was reassignment and lack of promotion.

Justin B. on May 5, 2008 at 10:23 am

Whose rbb????


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docdave on May 5, 2008 at 11:28 am

The same thing happened to about an entire Squadron based at Ramstein when a certain Secretary of State demanded that an aircraft be flown to an airport in Croatia below weather minimums.  Many had their careers terminated who had nothing to do with that decision.  The foreign national who drew and approved the TERPS approach committed suicide even though he was not at fault.  This was wrong, but it does happen sometimes.  I wonder when Soros will purge his entire horde if the Democrats do not win their prize.


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Chief RZ on May 5, 2008 at 01:03 pm

RBB:

Gee, I thought you nutters were fixed on the few bad apples meme.

Even if it were a few bad apples, Sanchez still was the commander ultimately accountable for their actions.

That’s how the military does things.

Carrick on May 5, 2008 at 10:26 pm

That just how it works huh?

Gee, just where does a buck stop?

Who was Sanchez’s commander?

Who was Sanchez’s commander’s commander?

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OOOOOooooh…. I see…Ok, a few bad apples it is then!


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on May 5, 2008 at 11:01 pm

Sanchez was in charge of day-to-day operations in the Iraq theatre when Abu Gharab happened, not George Bush.  Simple as that.

Had George Bush been the three-star general who was running that theatre, he should have been held similarly accountable.

Sometimes I wonder if RBB has a brain.

Carrick on May 5, 2008 at 11:25 pm

Sometimes I wonder if RBB has a brain.

He has a brain. (At least an autonomic nervous system.) His thoughts on the other hand, he picks up on the cheap from the Huffington Post!



A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Proof on May 6, 2008 at 04:39 am

Wow! A picture in lieu of argument from Huff Po Bob! I have a strong sense of déjà vu here! Heh.



A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Proof on May 6, 2008 at 05:04 am

I guess the special ed kids didn’t get the chapter on 1000 words.


“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

realitybasedbob on May 6, 2008 at 06:06 am

Justin has proved that you can’t believe everything you read on the Huffpost. I am begining to think we have a couple of Democratic operatives trolling SAYANYTHING.


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goon on May 6, 2008 at 06:57 am

Goon,

“...beginning to think...”?

It hasn’t been obvious to you on its face?  Granted their less competent than one tends to think of political operatives in general, but then again we are talking about the democRATs…


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Rodney G. Graves

Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destoyed”

Rodney Graves on May 6, 2008 at 07:06 am

Rodney,
It became obvious to me a while ago that this guy post the
democRATs talking points to the letter and does site where he got his information from. All one has to do is read the HUFFPOST and Daily Kooks to realize he is spewing their garbage.


Check out:
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goon on May 6, 2008 at 07:39 am

I guess the special ed kids didn’t get the chapter on 1000 words.

Two thousand words, if they’re regurgitated from the Huffington Post! Heh.


A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Proof on May 6, 2008 at 07:49 am

I haven’t read the Huff Po yet today bob! What are they thinking for you today?



A troll is someone who only wants to stir up trouble, not have an honest debate.  Some signs that a poster is a troll:
* Dodges questions from other posters * Refuses to give sources
* When one of its arguments is shown to be false, either ignores the proof or moves the goalposts.  Heh. (From the LGF faq)

Proof on May 6, 2008 at 07:51 am

Gee, just where does a buck stop?

Who was Sanchez’s commander?

Who was Sanchez’s commander’s commander?

I think it stops with Rummy… wait… no, Bush… wait, no, the 65M people that elected Fucking Chimpy McHitlerBurton… wait, most of them are the bitter folks that believe in God so it probably stops with God.

Justin B. on May 6, 2008 at 10:15 am

think it stops with Rummy… wait… no, Bush… wait, no, the 65M people that elected Fucking Chimpy McHitlerBurton… wait, most of them are the bitter folks that believe in God so it probably stops with God.

smile


Check out:
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Goon’s World

goon on May 6, 2008 at 11:01 am

Justin, sounds about right to me.

Carrick on May 6, 2008 at 07:42 pm
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