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Saturday, February 16, 2008


Rationale of a Conservative Suicide Voter

letter to the editor
Jay Valentine
Salado, Texas

Critical thought and a rational mind are all conservatives have to protect from the madness of crowds.  Supporting John McCain over conservative principles is a bargain with fear.

McCain won recent primaries by modest pluralities with the help of moderates and independents.  Other, more conservative candidates split the “conservative” vote.  Conservatives have a McCain problem.  The vote tallies show it and the radio waves blare it.

If, 20 years ago, someone said a future Republican presidential candidate gleefully and actively undermined the 1st amendment, tried to get amnesty for tens of millions of illegals in the middle of the night with a forced deal, advocated a surtax on the American economy to forestall “global warming,” who would find it conceivable?  How much more incredible if one then learned—-“well, he is the conservative.”

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So here we are.  Conservatives are told to support McCain because the alternative is worse.  Is it?

McCain will select conservative judges?  What critical mind thinks McCain will select judges who would challenge his signature issues of McCain-Feingold or the nonsense of man made global warming? 

Conservatives are told to hope for tax relief from the McCain who voted, almost alone in the Republican Senate ranks, against modest tax cuts using class warfare language to justify his actions.

Some conservatives believe McCain’s claim that only he will fight it out in Iraq.  These conservatives are encouraged to throw away principles on virtually every conservative issue for this straw.  Is it so?

Both Hillary and Obama are on record stating neither would precipitously withdraw from Iraq.  They cannot let the remaining infrastructure with thousands of American contractors, foreign aid workers and U.N. administrators be slaughtered.  McCain may be better than any Democrat on Iraq, but he is not much better.  McCain wants to close Guantanamo giving full courtroom rights to terrorists.  He showboats torture when there is none.  In the 8 Clinton years, McCain did nothing to oppose Clinton’s significant military reductions.  The McCain hope does not justify full abandonment of conservative principle.  The only McCain selling point is acquiescence to fear—-the alternative must be worse.

Conservative voters are being manipulated to let fear of Hillary or Obama make them vote for a Republican liberal who opposes everything in which they believe.  McCain, like Bush, is selling liberalism by the spoonful.

It is time to say “stop!”

The conservative suicide voter says “no” to McCain.  Let Hillary/Obama bring on liberalism, not in spoonfuls but in truckloads.  Tie the wages of liberalism to a real, labeled liberal.  Do not let liberalism hide under the guise of a “conservative” John McCain.  Do not sign on to fear and vote for McCain.

When liberalism is in the open, critical minds and their countrymen can see its folly.  Conservatism is well served by an open, clear cut battle with liberalism in full bloom.  And conservatism, not John McCain is best for America.

I choose to vote “no” to John McCain who will continue to sell out conservatism to liberalism at every turn.

Another side to the debate.

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Comments

Avatar for Jack

Critical thought and a rational mind are all conservatives have to protect from the madness of crowds.

If only you exhibited either, bob.

Jack on February 16, 2008 at 02:03 pm

If you have no facts, try personal attack.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on February 16, 2008 at 02:11 pm
Avatar for Jack

If you have no facts, try personal attack.

That’s exactly what you do, bob—-except you NEVER have any facts. But as soon as someone criticizes you, you scream “personal attack!” like the pansy little punk you are.

Perhaps if you stopped spending 20 hours a day hunched over a computer spewing hate and fear on one blog, you’d grow a set of balls. 15,852 comments? Jesus Christ, bob…go outside! Take a walk, eat in a resturant, go to a movie, talk to a girl, get a job and stop being a fucked-up hate-filled welfare recipiant.

And yes, THAT was a personal attack…

Jack on February 16, 2008 at 02:18 pm

And yes, THAT was a personal attack…

Isn’t it so much better to tell the truth?  You should try it more often.  I might help you with your jealousy problem.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on February 16, 2008 at 02:26 pm

Enough of this chitchat, “Jack”; do you have anything substantive to say about the article?  It would be a first for you.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on February 16, 2008 at 02:27 pm

Sometimes I have to check twice to see if it wasn’t I who posted articles that R108 posts.

My thoughts exactly.

Bring the Leftists out into the open.

I prefer a stand-up fight.


...for great justice

Whether they are defending the Soviet Union or bleating for Saddam Hussein, liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots, and on the matter of America’s self-preservation, the difference is irrelevant.” —Ann Coulter, P. 16

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Move_Zig on February 16, 2008 at 03:02 pm

MZ: Just to be clear, this is a post of a letter to the editor of The American Thinker from a guy in Texas; I don’t agree with it 100%, but find his reasoning very germane to what has been discussed on SA lately.
I was encouraged by McCain’s speech at CPAC, but he hasn’t really followed it up with anything substantive, so he might have just been pandering.  I haven’t decided which way to go yet.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on February 16, 2008 at 03:08 pm
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It seems the only principle the author is standing on is a commitment to conservatism as a movement or label.  The banner of conservatism is liberty and liberty is best served by fighting for it and not abandoning it to liberalism.  I’d much rather the republican party or conservatism suffer from a less than conservative republican President than liberty suffer at the hands of Obama/Clinton, a democrat house, senate, and newly appointed liberal SC justices. 

I’m still trying to put my finger on the “principle” those who would not vote for McCain, are standing on.  Maybe it’s just a commitment to a conservative candidate in which case it would appear some are losing site of the bigger picture.  Our allegiance as conservatives is with liberty not with one candidate.  Like it or not pragmatism is a political necessity.

HG on February 16, 2008 at 04:02 pm

R108,

Yes, I saw that, particularly the way you had it as a quote.  Lord knows I’d like to be given credit for stuff Marcus Cato, or Winston Churchill or Josey Wales might have said…

I don’t trust McCain as far as I can throw the DNC building (it’s big and concrete in case you are wondering)  Politicos pay speechwriters to give them words to say.  McCain was reading someone else’s speech—nothing more.  Well, perhaps he was just lying in his teeth.

The Good Book tells us we will know them from their fruits meaning their true nature is reflected in their deeds over time.

McCain is a Leftist tool, nothing less.

I would sooner chew my own arm off than vote for him.  It’s the difference between prison rape and cruising at a gay bar.

I’ll be damned if I help McCain in the slightest way.


...for great justice

Whether they are defending the Soviet Union or bleating for Saddam Hussein, liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots, and on the matter of America’s self-preservation, the difference is irrelevant.” —Ann Coulter, P. 16

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2qu7zgw.jpg

AMERICANS FOR TRUTH

NO PRIDE. LV

MASS RESISTANCE

THE PINK SWASTIKA

Move_Zig on February 16, 2008 at 04:02 pm

HG:

Pragmatism is a political necessity

Exactly! But you are wasting your time here. These guys - who can be otherwise quite lucid - have made it clear for months that the safety and security of the nation are not more important than their personal, irrational hatred of John McCain.

I would sooner chew my own arm off than vote for him.

Indeed.

See what I mean, HG?


“Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other vews.

William F. Buckley Jr.

pparets on February 16, 2008 at 04:18 pm
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Pparets,

I see where they’re coming from.  I gave some thought to the same course they’ve chosen.  When faced with such a difficult situation, I chose to go with the course consistent with my political priority—liberty.  I reasoned that if my primary purpose, politically speaking, is liberty, then my course of action should best serve that end… or in this case due the minimal amount of damage.  That coupled with the facts that one, government isn’t the solution; and two, we the people are the solution; I reasoned that McCain would be much easier influenced for the good.  I still believe if we will wake up, liberty can make progress under a McCain presidency.

HG on February 16, 2008 at 04:29 pm

robert108:

I haven’t decided which way to go yet…

  You can be tough, but I admire your willingness to leave the door open.

“Hope springs eternal…” smile


“Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other vews.

William F. Buckley Jr.

pparets on February 16, 2008 at 04:30 pm

If you have no facts, try personal attack.
robert108 on February 16, 2008 at 02:11 pm

He is following the example of the enlightened right wing minds here in SA blog.

ellinas on February 16, 2008 at 04:33 pm

HG:  Couldn’t have said it better myself. Obama and Clinton will only be influenced by two things: Saul Alinsky and leftist political expediency.


“Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other vews.

William F. Buckley Jr.

pparets on February 16, 2008 at 04:34 pm

HG: Read the whole article; he explains his reasoning.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on February 16, 2008 at 04:41 pm

These guys - who can be otherwise quite lucid - have made it clear for months that the safety and security of the nation are not more important than their personal, irrational hatred of John McCain.

Here’s where you get it wrong, pp.  McCain’s record of betrayal speaks for itself, along with his questionable stances on national defense, which include bringing the terrorist scum from Gitmo here to the US while giving them full rights as if they were actual citizens, along with going along with Clinton’s savaging of our military during his reign.
It’s not hate, and it’s not irrational.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on February 16, 2008 at 04:44 pm

robert108:  Understood, if not always agreed with. I always admire you for keeping an open mind in spite of your deeply-held concerns about McCain.

But when someone says they would “chew their arm off” rather than vote McCain… well, thats a different matter. Thats case closed, mind closed.


“Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other vews.

William F. Buckley Jr.

pparets on February 16, 2008 at 04:56 pm

pp: I don’t think “the debate is over” when it comes to McCain’s candidacy.  My decision isn’t about McCain’s record, which is history.  It isn’t about whether he will pander to the lefties, which he will do.  It isn’t even about whether or not Clinton or Obama would make worse Presidents than McCain, even if only marginally.  I think McCain’s character will be revealed after he gets the nomination and becomes the titular head of the Republican Party.  We will then see the real McCain, and when he shows his true face, I will make my decision.  From the very beginning of this travesty of a primary season, I have seen how the MSM and the Party fanatics have been trying to push us into a premature decision.  Not for me.
I can’t even believe anyone thinks McCain even represents the Republican Party.


If govt control of the economy were the way to go, the Soviet Union would be the richest, most powerful nation in the history of the world.

Thanks to Obama, America remains the only country where it is illegal to drill our own oil!

robert108 on February 16, 2008 at 05:07 pm
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Yeay bomb the world and take all the oil!!!

Global Warming on February 20, 2008 at 07:26 am

What? Are you a spam bot?

likwidshoe on February 20, 2008 at 07:35 am

I think I would classify a vote for Clinton or Obama as a suicide vote.  I need to be convinced by the candidate that a vote for McCain isn’t one as well.


1% of Americans pay 40% of the income tax.
5% of Americans pay 60% of the income tax.
10% of Americans pay 70% of the income tax.


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The Whistler on February 20, 2008 at 07:36 am
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