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Saturday, March 08, 2008

Peaceful, albeit Disgusting Resolution to Columbia Crisis

What could have resulted in a multi-national conflaguration in South America ended in a whimper when the heads of the nations of Columbia, Venezuela and Ecuador shook hands, de-escalating the crisis.

Latin American Crisis Resolved
Colombia Apologizes At Regional Summit

By Juan Forero
Washington Post Foreign Service
Saturday, March 8, 2008; Page A09

Bogota, Colombia—The presidents of Colombia, Ecuador and Venezuela on Friday agreed to end a bitter standoff that had resulted in troop
deployments, a downturn in trade and a rupture in diplomatic relations.

The crisis began after Colombia bombed a rebel camp last Saturday just inside Ecuador, killing 24 guerrillas, including Luis Edgar Devia, a top
commander. The strike marked the first time the army had killed a member of the directorate of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, a
guerrilla group that has been fighting here for 44 years.

Colombian President Alvaro Uribe had come under criticism from various Latin American governments for the incursion, but at a regional summit in the
Dominican Republic on Friday he heartily shook hands with Ecuadoran President Rafael Correa, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and Nicaraguan
President Daniel Ortega. All three of those nations had broken relations with Colombia over the incident.

In a pattern that has existed as long as there were communists, Ecuador was harboring Marxist guerillas, who were lavishly funded by Chavezs’ petro bucks, and those terrorists would raid into Columbia, causing death, terror and political instability.

When Columbia nailed a few of the roaches, instead of hanging their heads in shame, the culprits of Venezuela and Ecuador bleated that they were being attacked and pounded the war drums.

Thus the most galling part of this denouement is that the victim here has had to grovel, effectively apologizing to the rapists…

The resolution of the crisis, at a meeting of the 20-nation Rio Group, came in the form of a declaration that noted Uribe had apologized for the raid and that he promised never to violate another nation’s border. “With the apology and the promise of never again violating a brother country, we have overcome this very grave crisis,” said Correa, in comments that were broadcast live across much of Latin America.

Yes, but if that part of the world has dodged a bullet, is it really over?  Far from it.

Although the meeting ended on a positive note, the most serious issue raised
in the debate—that Colombian rebels operate with the help of foreign governments—has not been resolved and is sure to fester.

Absolutely.  Counter-guerilla operations on Columbias’ part is going to be hampered, which is a cryin shame.  This is a classic Special Operations mission: counter-insurgency and interdiction.  Politically it has been botched.

This could have been the opportunity to call the aggressors on the carpet and even take them clean out had a shooting war begun.

My guess is that while Columbia was getting lip-service and political support from Washington, those two squadrons of F-22 Raptors never materialized onto Columbia’s tarmacs.... a Big Stick that would have spoken with far greater potency than anything put out by any press office.

Bush, for whatever reason, perhaps because we are so heavily engaged in the Middle East and closely monitoring (are we?) a very dangerous and unstable North Korea, along with an ever-more aggressive Red China, has decided not to commit resources to save a deserving ally.

Teddy Roosevelt is rolling in his grave right about now.

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Thus the most galling part of this denouement is that the victim here has had to grovel, effectively apologizing to the rapists…

Even though Correa said he wouldn’t do it again...I bet he would.

Chavez is a bully and a coward, and Correa knows it.


“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another...it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
Saint-Exupéry

laydownSally on March 8, 2008 at 08:37 pm

Counterinsurgency was really one of my primary fortes in the early part of my military career, later segueing over to counter-intelligence.  Key and central to any counterinsurgency campaign was the political aspect. 

You have to win the international publicity fight by countering the standard Commie posturing that has accompanied every Marxist-backed insurrection from Greece to Malaya, to the Philippines, to Vietnam, to all those places in Africa and South America ... (you get the picture) or at least not losing it by allowing the loud, and absolutely evil aggressors to tell the story.

Like kicking over a rotting log to expose squirming maggots, the best solution is the bright light of day.  You must be up front and persistent and as loud as the bad guys by showing that they are lying and are the aggressors.  You have to make the case for your own self defense. 

They didn’t do it here.

You also have to make it clear that you will do what you need to do to wipe them out.  If counter- insurgency tactics can be summed up succinctly it would be:

Find ‘em and fu*k’em up.

Columbia’s president should never have backed down and should never have promised never to attack the enemy—wherever they may be hiding—again.

He should have promised that if his country comes under attack that anyone harboring those who attack his country invite reprisal.  It has worked great for Israel and could have worked for Columbia, had it shared the same sort of US backing Israel enjoys.

This closes a sordid chapter and is the precursor to yet another one in the not-too-distant future.


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Move_Zig on March 8, 2008 at 10:53 pm

All this was wiped away this morning when Ecuadorean politicos called Uribe a warmonger and called for an escalation of their military deployment along that border. Ven has continued its troop buildup and is moving 3 more battalions into the western regions Zulia, Tachira and Apure provinces.

Nothing has been resolved, just rearranged.


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on March 9, 2008 at 11:17 am

Even though Correa said he wouldn’t do it again...I bet he would.

Make that Uribe. I get my SA leaders mixed up.

This closes a sordid chapter and is the precursor to yet another one in the not-too-distant future.

Zigs batting two for two.


“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another...it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
Saint-Exupéry

laydownSally on March 9, 2008 at 02:01 pm

Thanks for the observations you two.  I hate to be right sometimes.  It’s kinda like being the Cassandra of the Trojan war legend—she was gifted with foresight, but condemned not to be believed by anyone.

This situation takes no foresight, however, just a knowledge of how Commies work and how weak-kneed Western politicos have been handing them victories since the Bay of Pigs fiasco, perhaps even earlier.

Just like you’ve pointed out—it ain’t over.

Let’s get those F-22‘s on station and a couple Marine Battalions to secure the airfield perimeters… NOW


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Move_Zig on March 9, 2008 at 02:39 pm

The Columbian state, and the right-wing paramilitaries, terrorise the people of Columbia, and if they weren’t supported with “War on Drugs” money and weapons, they probably would have been thrown out of power years ago.

Now they massacre a sleeping spokesperson for FARC, and his buddies, violating another nations sovereignty, and you idiots are supportive of this? Just another example of why the political right will always be enemies of humanity.

Move_Zig: You don’t even try to be honest either. Every human-rights agency acknowledges that it is the right-wing paramilitaries in Columbia that commit the largest number of human rights abuses, like rape and murder. Yet you advocate lending F22s to murderers and rapists, why am I not surprised?


“All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.”
“Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.” —George Orwell

Anarchist Vegetarian on March 9, 2008 at 10:22 pm

Now they massacre a sleeping spokesperson for FARC, and his buddies, violating another nations sovereignty, and you idiots are supportive of this? Just another example of why the political right will always be enemies of humanity.

Awww. You’re just upset that your fellow Marxist travelers bit the big one.

Every human-rights agency acknowledges that it is the right-wing paramilitaries in Columbia that commit the largest number of human rights abuses, like rape and murder.

Is everything just a stupid partisan game to you?

Grow up.

likwidshoe on March 9, 2008 at 11:20 pm

How typical. AV:The Fucking Retard supports cocaine Cartels in their war against the legitimately elected government of a country.


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2Hotel9 on March 10, 2008 at 04:23 am

2Hotel9, as you’re probably aware, elements of both sides are involved with cocaine trafficking, though FARC may be the bigger player at the moment.

And so what? Do you hate markets? If people wish to buy cocaine, then why should they not? Are you advocating government meddling?

Likwidshoe: Paul Reyes and his buddies were involved in negotiating the release of FARC hostages, which is a good thing. It must be hellish as a hostage, but now the future of the process remains uncertain.

And of course this is a partisan issue. The crooks in Columbia are only allies because they share the same ideology, and serve the same interests, as those in the White House.

Uribe and his buddies have been linked to paramilitary death-squads, but instead of being hauled in front of a war-crimes tribunal, they are somehow “allies”.


“All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.”
“Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.” —George Orwell

Anarchist Vegetarian on March 10, 2008 at 08:43 pm

AV you are making very reckless charges against Uribe. There is no evidence he is ‘linked’ to death squads, whatever ‘linked’ means.

Uribe’s father was killed by FARC.

FARC is the worlds largest and wealthiest terrorist organization, fueled by narcotics.

I can’t believe anyone calling themselves an ‘anarchist’ could ever want to to defend that.

Ken McCracken on March 10, 2008 at 08:55 pm

Read more carefully then Ken. I wasn’t defending FARC, I was defending the release of hostages. So you’re against that?


“All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.”
“Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.” —George Orwell

Anarchist Vegetarian on March 10, 2008 at 09:04 pm

Also, why are you pretending Uribe is clean Ken? Go Google his links to cocaine dealing, paramilitaries and death squads. Heaps of info. He is a scumbag crook.


“All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.”
“Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.” —George Orwell

Anarchist Vegetarian on March 10, 2008 at 09:10 pm

Why even respond to this communist? 

It is like addressing someone confined to a rubber room or a dog with rabies because one who self-identifies with a murderous ideology is either insane, evil or just plain stupid. 

Whichever it is, it is not worthy of any sort of response.

But, suit yourselves fellas, it may have some entertainment value.


...for great justice

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Move_Zig on March 10, 2008 at 09:25 pm

Pretty funny Zig, you have no counter arguments because you’ve never met a right-wing death-squad you haven’t wanted to join?


“All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.”
“Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.” —George Orwell

Anarchist Vegetarian on March 10, 2008 at 09:31 pm

AV:TheFuckingRetard always defends druggangs, rapists and murderers, and always accuses other people of doing what his heroes do. Now it will trot out a bunch of propaganda saying that his heroes are pure as the driven. Why? Because he is a socilaist, they are socialists, and he gets sexual gratification from watching video of them raping and murdering.


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on March 11, 2008 at 04:03 am

"Anarchist” Vegetarian - Likwidshoe: Paul Reyes and his buddies were involved in negotiating the release of FARC hostages...

You mean Raul Reyes, and the guy is known for creating hostages, not releasing them. The guy was a rank murderer involved in the deaths of scores of people and you’re here decrying his death.

Very telling.

And of course this is a partisan issue. The crooks in Columbia are only allies because they share the same ideology, and serve the same interests, as those in the White House.

“The crooks in Columbia” are bringing about some real democracy in Columbia, as well as cleaning up the cocaine fueled death squads that have held the country hostage for decades.

So, guilty as charged. We have the same interests.
Too bad that you don’t.

Uribe and his buddies have been linked to paramilitary death-squads, but instead of being hauled in front of a war-crimes tribunal, they are somehow “allies”.

The guy is far from perfect and there are some serious questions about that of which you mention, but you play with the hand you’re dealt, not the one you wish you had.

First you complain about “violating another nations sovereignty” claiming that it is “another example of why the political right will always be enemies of humanity” and yet here you are advocating just that by calling for “war crimes tribunals”. Hypocrisy much “Anarchist” Vegetarian?

Read more carefully then Ken. I wasn’t defending FARC, I was defending the release of hostages.

Can you point out exactly where you did that?

Maybe you should actually, I don’t know, SAY these things you are claiming that you’re saying. You need to speak more carefully “Anarchist” Vegetarian.

So you’re against that?

If we were against that, we would be upset at the killing of Raul Reyes much like you are here.

Also, why are you pretending Uribe is clean Ken?

Where did he do that? He didn’t. You need to read more carefully.

Pretty funny Zig, you have no counter arguments because you’ve never met a right-wing death-squad you haven’t wanted to join?

You’re just a low-life shit talker, aren’t you? Good grief. Grow up.

likwidshoe on March 11, 2008 at 04:58 am

EPILOGE

Ran across this blurb, recovered from the WAYBACK Machine.  It’s so very telling, which side the Leftists come down on.  Truly these guys are communist traitors.

I do despise them.

May 10, 2007
How to Lose an Ally
By Robert Novak

Colombia’s President Alvaro Uribe returned to Bogota this week in a state of shock. His three-day visit to Capitol Hill in Washington to win over Democrats in Congress was described by one American supporter as “catastrophic.” Colombian sources said Uribe was stunned by the ferocity of his Democratic opponents, and Vice President Francisco Santos publicly talked about cutting U.S.-Colombian ties.

Uribe got nothing from his meeting with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and other Democratic leaders. Military aid remains stalled, overall assistance is reduced, and the vital U.S.-Colombian trade bill looks dead. The first Colombian president to crack down on his country’s corrupt army officer hierarchy, and to assault both right-wing paramilitaries and left-wing guerrillas, last week confronted Democrats wedded to out-of-date claims of civil rights abuses and to rigidly protectionist dogma.

This is remarkable U.S. treatment for a rare friend on the South American continent, where Venezuela’s leftist dictator Hugo Chavez can only exult in Uribe’s embarrassment as he builds an anti-American bloc of nations. A former congressional staffer, who in 1999 helped author Plan Colombia against narco-guerrillas, told me: “President Uribe may be the odd man out, and that’s no way to treat our best ally in South America.”


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Move_Zig on March 12, 2008 at 06:41 pm

robert108: One more reason why I gag every time I see or hear Pelosi or Reid…


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

pparets on March 12, 2008 at 07:04 pm
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