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Hopefully this will be the start of a mutually beneficial relationship between the Tribal Colleges and the State of North Dakota.

Where “mutually beneficial” equals more government money transferred to a place that hasn’t earned it.

What do you think this money does to the cost of education? All of this “free money” is making it more expensive.

well the state pays part of the cost of education for the other schools. So this wouldn’t be out of line.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Where “mutually beneficial” equals more government money transferred to a place that hasn’t earned it.
What do you think this money does to the cost of education? All of this “free money” is making it more expensive.
likwidshoe on May 9, 2007 at 04:10 am

Sorry Creasy, couldn’t stay away.  The money transferred from the state benefits NON-INDIAN students who are attending tribally controlled colleges in the state.  Prior to this, the tribes absorbed the cost of these non-paying students.

This money is well spent Lik.  Why do you keep looking for negatives?  Same thing you did in the other site.  You’re just an out and out Indian hater, that’s all.

So, any efforts by any outside entity to make things better will never be acceptable?

Andy L, you are always welcome on my postings.  I want your input on the issues I present on this blog.

Thank You.

I agree with Andy L.  lik seems to need to find the negative in each of the posts regarding Indians.  Get over it, lik.

Prior to this, the tribes absorbed the cost of these non-paying students.

I agree with Andy L.  lik seems to need to find the negative in each of the posts regarding Indians.  Get over it, lik.

I remarked on the redistribution of wealth part and said nothing about Indians.

Get over yourself Rae. I don’t care that you’re an Indian. It’s inconsequential to this story.

andy l - blow it out of your projecting ass. The only hater here is you.

Geez.  That was a non-spam/non-troll informative comment from Andy L.

Good job man.  More of that please.

Like your new gravitar Creasy.

Geez.  That was a non-spam/non-troll informative comment from Andy L.

Government money always seems to mess up schools, both in cost and quality. Because I notice this reality, I’m an “Indian hater” for pointing it out.

Only a troll could come up with that answer.

Likwidshoe, to make it clear the non-troll part was his discussion about where the money is going to… The other was personal animus, which I tend to ignore.

Here is an idea. How about all students paying tuition. A radical thought, I know.

TANSTAAFL.

Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

Here is an idea. How about all students paying tuition.

Many people don’t want equality. Just look up through this thread. They’ll call you “anti-insertvictimgrouphere” and act as if they are on top of the argument.

Equality? What’s that?

Government money always seems to mess up schools, both in cost and quality.

In what ways would you like to see the government spend their money?

I think that the change that should take place on Reservations can start with education.  Education is a key to helping people help themselves.

Hopefully this money will benefit all students that attend Tribal Colleges.

Carrick-

Thanks for the compliment on my new avatar.  Geronimo is retired for the time being.  He was a great warrior for his people.

In what ways would you like to see the government spend their money?

First of all, it’s not “their money”. It’s our money.

Secondly, government should limit their concern with law enforcement, defense and road construction. They hinder advancement of just about everything else and corrupt the free market everywhere there’s a government recipient. In short, government makes it more expensive for the rest of us who pay our own ways (radical idea, I know).

Why are so many schools who receive government money in the red? Is it always a problem of “not enough money”? What about the schools operating in the black that receive no government funds? Are they just economic miracles?

Hopefully this money will benefit all students that attend Tribal Colleges.

You and I are in agreement there. Just don’t hold your breath. Government has poured billions into an education system that is languishing behind other first world nations. If it was just a question of money, we wouldn’t have any problems. Obviously, the problems go deeper.

So what happens to the thousands, if not millions, of students who cannot afford tuition? Do they just stay uneducated? Or do we provide them with financial aid so they can become tax payers?

Misty I wrote a post back January concerning government aid and tuition. 

Here it is, apparently either it was real good or real bad because I didn’t get any comments on it.

I really don’t think that government aid is helping make college affordable.  If the government raises tuition assistance $500 then the schools feel like they need to raise tuition by at least that amount. 

That is the recent record.

So all of this free money goes to make college professors richer but makes it harder on the students, parents and taxpayer. 

Now this post was mostly considering the state university system.  I don’t know how the cost of the tribal college is set up.

So if all we are doing is bidding against ourself why keep doing it?

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

It’s a pretty meaningless gesture, really. Anyone who’s attended the tribal colleges know that the Injun students are only boosted a few hundred dollars ahead in the ball game whereas that non-Native American students aren’t. I’d be much more comfortable if the beneficiaries were instead given to the students who have no way of paying for their schooling in the first place.

I cannot imagine a school that is completely homogenous, especially when the purpose is to provide a diverse education that helps overcome the problems of the Reservation system.

I am not sure whether the benefit would be greater to subsidize the Indian students going to other Universities (something that is done through both private and public funds already).  We know that it is having little impact.  But I certainly like the idea of providing incentives to non-tribe members to attend tribal colleges.  Without a broad and diverse student population (read a school of all Indians from the Reservation) the education accomplishes little in the way of providing an alternative to the narrow world view of the folks on the Rez.

I have real issues with regard to the Reservation System in that it encourages this narrowness because so few tribe members ever live beyond the rez or its immediate vicinity.  They have a defacto system of segregation.  And if they have only tribe members in their schools, it does little to expose them to the rest of the world.  Having non-tribe member students in their schools is a good thing.

But I am not sure about using public money to do it.  I would most certainly support scholarship programs to encourage quality students from other communities to view tribal schools as worth attending, but this program doesn’t sound like that is the purpose.  The purpose sounds more like it is to simply provide free education for Indians that are not full fledged tribe members and already live on the Rez.  Again, my belief is that we need more integration and less segregation so short of the program providing some value in that regard, I am not sure it is a good investment.  But then again, I had my schooling paid for by Pell Grants, Stafford Loans, and Scholarships, so who the hell am I to bitch?