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Friday, January 11, 2008

Myths of ‘68

Thomas Sowell

This 40th anniversary of the turbulent year 1968 is already starting to spawn nostalgic accounts of that year. We can look for more during this year in articles, books, and TV specials, featuring aging 1960s radicals seeking to relive their youth.

The events of 1968 have continuing implications for our times but not the implications drawn by those with romantic myths about 1968 and about themselves.

The first of the shocks of 1968 was the sudden eruption of violent attacks by Communist guerillas in the cities of South Vietnam, known as the “Tet offensive,” after a local holiday.

That this sort of widespread urban guerilla warfare was still possible after the rosy claims made by American officials in Washington and Vietnam sent shock waves through the United States.

The conclusion that might have been drawn was that politicians and military commanders should not make rosy predictions. The conclusion that was in fact drawn was that the Vietnam war was unwinnable.

In reality, the Tet offensive was one in which the Communist guerilla movement was not only defeated in battle but was virtually annihilated as a major military force. From there on, the job of attacking South Vietnam was a job for the North Vietnam army.

Politically, however, the Tet offensive was an enormous victory for the Communists — not in Vietnam, but in the United States.

The American media, led by Walter Cronkite, pictured the Tet offensive as a defeat for the United States and a sign that the Vietnam war was unwinnable.

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The most trusted man in American was a liar.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on January 11, 2008 at 11:43 am

Did Tommy SO Well carry a rifle in the war?

How did the war go on for 7 more years after the guerrilla movement was

virtually annihilated as a major military force

???

Why did more Americans die in Vietnam after
TET than before it?

If this were 1968 Tommy So Well would be telling us about our making progress.

WOOF on January 11, 2008 at 02:16 pm

Prior to Tet we were fighting the Viet Cong, the mostly South Vietnamese guerrilla group.

After that we were fighting the North Vietnamese Army supplied by the Russians.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on January 11, 2008 at 02:36 pm

Here’s the North Vietnamese take on it:

The Wall Street Journal published an interview with Bui Tin who served on the General Staff of the North Vietnam Army and received the unconditional surrender of South Vietnam on April 30, 1975. During the interview Mr. Tin was asked if the American antiwar movement was important to Hanoi’s victory. Mr. Tin responded “It was essential to our strategy”, referring to the war being fought on two fronts, the Vietnam battlefield and back home in America through the antiwar movement on college campuses and in the city streets. He further stated the North Vietnamese leadership listened to the American evening news broadcasts “to follow the growth of the American antiwar movement.” Visits to Hanoi made by persons such as Jane Fonda, former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and various church ministers “gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses.” Mr. Tin surmised, “America lost because of its democracy; through dissent and protest it lost the ability to mobilize a will to win.” Mr. Tin further advised that General Vo Nguyen Giap (Commanding General of the North Vietnam Army) had advised him the 1968 Tet Offensive had been a defeat.

To my knowledge, neither Mr. Tin nor General Giap carried a rifle either, so what do they know?

Carrick on January 11, 2008 at 02:46 pm

General Giap a lifelong revolutionary who defeated the French at Dien Dien Phu , who was imprisoned , whose family was executed, ; was military commander of the Viet Minh, commander of the People’s Army of Vietnam (PAVN), and defense minister.

Thomas So Well was going to lead us to victory from where, Chicago?

WOOF on January 11, 2008 at 03:53 pm

The media lied, both Americans and Vietnamese died.
You just don’t get it, Woof.  From your reaction, this is obviously an inconvenient truth for you.  Tough.


Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

robert108 on January 11, 2008 at 05:09 pm

So what’s your point WOOF?  IF Giap says they were defeated, but the US media helped them grasp victory from the jaws of defeat, would you believe him?

See his autobiography.

Carrick on January 11, 2008 at 08:51 pm
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To my knowledge, neither Mr. Tin nor General Giap carried a rifle either, so what do they know?

What’s your point Carrick?  Do you really think these men grew up fighting French colonialism never carried a rifle?

Lestat on January 11, 2008 at 10:02 pm

I think he was mocking Woofie who said Tom (Sowell) never carried a rifle.  Carrick was pointing out that the Vietnamese CinC confirms the point Sowell was making.


What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.


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The Whistler on January 11, 2008 at 10:04 pm

They were not defeated, that’s the fact , they kept fighting for 7 years.

We left because Americans were sick of the war.

Start talking about drafting a million to fight the war on terrah and see how that goes.

WOOF on January 11, 2008 at 10:11 pm

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WOOF on January 11, 2008 at 10:45 pm

Woof: Get it straight; the VC were defeated at Tet; the NVA carried on, aided by our lying media and the John Kerry types doing their work for them on the American public.  Americans are never sick of winning; if they had been told the truth about Tet, things might have turned out differently, since we never lost a major battle in Vietnam.  It was people like you who helped the Commies win.


Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

robert108 on January 11, 2008 at 11:08 pm

WOOF:

They were not defeated, that’s the fact , they kept fighting for 7 years.

The Viet Cong or the North Vietnamese?

I suppose in addition to being unaware of the destruction of the Viet Cong as a military force in 1968, you probably weren’t aware that the South Vietnamese Army in 1975 was three times the size of the North Vietnamese.

The only reason we didn’t defeat the NVA was because we weren’t allowed to.  In the end, we just gave it away.

But believe what you want.  That’s what we call you guys “leftards”.  You can’t tell the difference between myth and fact.

Carrick on January 11, 2008 at 11:11 pm
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If we would of just stayed their anothr 20 years we would of won.

Lestat on January 11, 2008 at 11:24 pm

If the media hadn’t lied from the beginning, we would have won a lot earlier and with less loss of life; just like in Iraq.


Leftie political philosophy, from a DU commenter:

It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not. RUMOR IS TRUTH. The modern laws of media hype and political warfare have a useful tenet: Repeat ANYTHING or raise false concern over ANYTHING and it is likely to be planted in the conscious/subconscious of many voters.

robert108 on January 11, 2008 at 11:43 pm

Lestat:

If we would of just stayed their anothr 20 years we would of won.

Actually we had done as well as we could do by 1975.  We had devastated North Vietnam’s economy and built up South Vietnam’s army.. essentially a Koreanization of the conflict.  We never could have “won”.  Impossible because the world scene prevented us from invading North Vietnam and ending the conflict.

All we had to do was remain there… after 1972, the only support we provided was air.  That would have been sufficient to prevent a North Vietnamese victory and the loss of millions of lives…

By 1978 even the most ardent of peace activists (e.g., George McGovern) had acknowledged that our withdrawal had been a disaster.

Carrick on January 12, 2008 at 01:03 am

Randy Newman - New Orleans Wins The War

In 1948 my Daddy came to the city
Told the people that they’d won the war
Maybe they’d heard it, maybe not
Probably they’d heard it and just forgot
‘Cause they built him a platform there in Jackson Square
And the people came to hear him from everywhere
They started to party and they partied some more
‘Cause New Orleans had won the war
(We knew we’d do it, we done whipped the Yankees)

WOOF on January 12, 2008 at 06:42 am
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