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What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

If the lemmings (Republicans) are so moral and virtuous, then there should be an outcry from y’all about these transactions.

What hutzbah! You’re posting on a Republican blog you dingleberry. That doesn’t sound very “lemmings” like.

Do one thing for me, figure out if the Republican Party is a Religious Party of a Secular Party.  You can’t be both.

One can’t be a little bit of both?

If you are a secular party, then why do you continuously bring Religion into the debate?  Just wondering.

Religion is a big part of life. The Democrats nod and wink about that fact, then start attacking Christianity. People like Rob (atheist) and me (agnostic) then stand up and defend the Christians against the attacks.

Too nuanced for you bak72? It appears that it may be, considering the blustering anger you consistently display. I’m not sure you’d be able to understand the issue if explained further.

Of course there is not, because he is a Republican.  For being the party of Rightousness, the Republican Party doesn’t do a very good job of practicing what they preach.

The Democrats have been complaining about Foley, but what of Barney Frank?  That guy who had sex with his 16 year old campaign worker who had his sentence commuted by Bill Clinton?  You Democrats are sure quiet on those issues…

Which isn’t to say that Republicans are morally superior to Demcorats.  That statement paints with too broad a brush.  What I’m saying is that just because someone hasn’t condemned something doesn’t mean they’re trying to cover it up.

I haven’t seen you condemn the holocaust on your home blog, does that mean you’re a Nazi?  Hardly.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Do one thing for me, figure out if the Republican Party is a Religious Party of a Secular Party.  You can’t be both.

The entire meme about “separation of church and state” does not appear in the Constitution, and the blending of religion and secular issues is an integral part of American life.  We are both.  The whole concept of religion being a separate entity comes from Karl Marx.  His utopian ideology couldn’t abide the competition.

If you don’t know by now, don’t mess with it.

The constitution is pretty clear on religion.  It simply requires that the federal government (and the states as per other amendments) not officially endorse one religion over another.  It’s as simple as that.  It doesn’t mean that we can’t have non-denominational prayer in schools and stuff like that, though that is how is has been construed unfortunately.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Rob you combined Barney Frank and Mel Reynolds I believe.  It was Reynolds that had sex with a 16 year old campaign worker (in addition to nefarious non-sex crimes).  His sentence was commuted by BJC.

Barney Frank had a for profit relationship with a gay prostitute who ran his business out of Franks townhouse.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

No, I was talking about two different people...I just didn’t phrase it very well.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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ah, I get it now.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

Appearantly I didn’t explain myself.  I am arguing to your characterizations of Democrats. For example: “cut and run” party.  Republicans are the Law and Order party.  Republicans represent the moral majority.  Democrats don’t care about morals, they are morally deprived.

Which isn’t to say that Republicans are morally superior to Demcorats.  That statement paints with too broad a brush.  What I’m saying is that just because someone hasn’t condemned something doesn’t mean they’re trying to cover it up.

I agree just because someone hasn’t condemned something doesn’t mean they’re trying to cover it up.  However, if you listen to Republicans on TV, they continue to say that Democrats don’t have the morals or the ideas to lead this country.  I’m not going to argue about the ideas.  They say that all Democrats care about is power.  So, I ask the readers of Sayanything.com to prove that Republicans have a moral superiority that Democrats do not have.

Hey Rob, then is this headline to broad of a brush?  Democrats Blame North Korea’s Nuke On Bush

Not all Democrats are blaming Bush for everything in North Korea.  I blame all the people in power over the past 16 years for not understanding the North Korean leaders.  They are still looking at the Korean War as an active war.  I blame the Democratic Party for believing that you could negotiate with that little Napoleon wannabe.  I blame Clinton for actually trusting North Korea.  However, not all the problems happened because of Clinton.  They started under him, but he went out of office 6 years ago.

NKorea started building the bomb over 6 years ago.  I doubt that Clinton could have stopped him from trying to build the bomb.  Certainly it was too late in 2001.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

The Democrats have been complaining about Foley, but what of Barney Frank?  That guy who had sex with his 16 year old campaign worker who had his sentence commuted by Bill Clinton?  You Democrats are sure quiet on those issues…

I am not complaining about Foley unless he tried to land an underage child.  Then he needs to be locked away as a sexual predator.  Since the legal consent age was 16 and all that we know about is the 16-year old and older pages, he didn’t commit a crime.  However, his Ims and e-mails could bause him to run afoul of Federal law.  That needs to be looked into.  I am not familiar with Mel Reynolds.  It might be because of my bad memory.  However if Clinton did pardon him and he did the crime, then Clinton was wrong in that pardon.  Barney is a bird onto himself.  If he didn’t break the law, then he has nothing to worry about.  If he knew of the prostitution ring, then he should have been held accountable.

What I object to is the Republican Party and by extention the Catholic Church saying that being gay is a sin and shows the decline in morals of America.  Then Republicans hire these gay people as staff and allows them to run as congressional candidates in their party.  Why is that?  If personal beliefs that we import from our Religions are so important in our everyday lives and in the laws that we make, then why does the GOP allow gays in their midst?  How can you have Jerry Falwell and Ralph Reed lead the Christian Coalition and allow them to bash homosexuality?  Why did not anybody stand up to them?  Why do you need the constitutional amendment to force gay marriages to be illegal?  Don’t tell me activist judges.  Judges on both sides have been activists since day 1.  How is it that you can attack Democrats for not liking America and then have President Bush give 750 signing statements that go against what is in the bill?  The best part of that is that Republicans say that it is legal.  Tell me where in how to pass a bill into law it says that the President can give a signing statement and doesn’t have to follow that law that he just signed.

What I object to is the Republican Party and by extention the Catholic Church saying that being gay is a sin

Do you make this stuff up.

1.  The Republican party does not say that being gay is a sin.  They just say that one male cannot marry another male.  (or a female/female) This is merely carrying on traditions for thousands of years.

2.  The Catholic Church is not an extension of the Republican party.  In fact until very recently I believe that most Catholics voted Democratic.  It’s only when the Democrat party sold out heart and soul to the abortion mafia that Catholics began to migrate to the Republicans.  The last “fact” is my opinion.

3.  The Catholic Church does not say that being gay is a sin. 

You really need to ground yourself more with reality.

What’s going to happen to US industry when the global warming extremists like John McCain double the price of electricity?  I would think all these factories will close and set up in countries where they aren’t scared of technology.

As for the Religious issue, if you want optional prayer in School, are you going to allow the Muslim child to pray twice during school hours?  After all, two of their prayer times every day occur during school hours.  Are you going to allow them to miss periods of the school year for their religious beliefs?  We have made the school year fit around Judeo-Christian holidays of Easter and Christmas.  Here is a question.  Let’s say that the Democrats make the last 10 days of Ramadan a break for all school students and then say that Christmas and Easter are not national holidays anymore. Are the Democrats officially endorsing one religion over another?  If they are, then why is it now that we are not endorsing Christianity over Islam? 

I can already hear the Anti-Christian chant being started.  I just don’t buy into that.  I am a member of the Lutheran Church everywhere that I have lived since 1999.  I believe in God.  I believe in Heaven and Hell.  So, if you want to charge me with being anti-catholic, go ahead.  I know the truth.

NKorea started building the bomb over 6 years ago.  I doubt that Clinton could have stopped him from trying to build the bomb.  Certainly it was too late in 2001.

Maybe, but do not tell me that everything from 2001-2006 that has happened between the US and North Korea is Clinton’s fault.  However in 2000, ABB delivered equipment and services to North Korea to build nuclear powerplants. Donald Rumsfeld was involved as a director at ABB during that time I believe.

bak, let me preface my response to you by saying that I am an atheist.  Personally, I’d just as soon not see any prayer time in school as I think religious education is best left for the home.

As for the Religious issue, if you want optional prayer in School, are you going to allow the Muslim child to pray twice during school hours?  After all, two of their prayer times every day occur during school hours.  Are you going to allow them to miss periods of the school year for their religious beliefs?

Being a staunch federalist, I believe these decisions should be made by the individual school districts and school boards.  There isn’t going to be a one-size-fits-all solution, so let the individual schools solve the problem.  If a school wants to tailor the school day and the school year to fit certain religious observances than I don’t have a problem with that as long as the decision is reached though a democratic process.  If the school board members make the wrong decisions they’ll be removed from their positions and replaced with new people.

We have made the school year fit around Judeo-Christian holidays of Easter and Christmas.  Here is a question.  Let’s say that the Democrats make the last 10 days of Ramadan a break for all school students and then say that Christmas and Easter are not national holidays anymore. Are the Democrats officially endorsing one religion over another?  If they are, then why is it now that we are not endorsing Christianity over Islam?

We have tailored the school year to coincide with Christian religious observances because this country was, and still is, a predominantly Christian nation.  Our national holidays, etc. match the traditions of the majority of people here.

Were Muslims the majority and the school year reflective of their religious schedule I’d not have any more problem with it just so long as the decision was made throught he democratic process.

My point in all this is to illustrate for you that “separation of church and state” is a farce.  The Constitution does not prevent government and government institutions from recognizing that religion exists and making accommodations for religious observances and traditions as long as a) the government doesn’t endorse one religion over another and b) all such decisions are made within the democratic process.

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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1.  The Republican party does not say that being gay is a sin.  They just say that one male cannot marry another male.  (or a female/female) This is merely carrying on traditions for thousands of years.

I’ll agree with you on #1.  The Republican Party does not say that being gay is a sin.  I was wrong when I wrote that.  I wasn’t trying to say that, but that is the way I wrote it.

2.  The Catholic Church is not an extension of the Republican party.  In fact until very recently I believe that most Catholics voted Democratic.  It’s only when the Democrat party sold out heart and soul to the abortion mafia that Catholics began to migrate to the Republicans.  The last “fact” is my opinion.

Really now?  How do you explain the Religious Right?  It isn’t 4 old ladies and a tuba player.  It is the Catholic Church stating to their members on what is most important to the church: abortion and the Party that agrees with the church.  By the way, aren’t all sins created equal, or was the AWANA group that I attended in my childhood wrong?

3.  The Catholic Church does not say that being gay is a sin.

OK, let me reword that.  The Catholic Church says that homosexuality is sin.  Look at this page http://www.justforcatholics.org/a171.htm
Right under where is says Answer there is a #1 - Homosexuality is sin.

Also according to Trailblazers - Cape Ministry, in New Zealand, there is this:

This subject causes wide disagreement among Christians. One official publication of the Catholic Church says the act of homosexuality is sin, while the condition of homosexuality is not.

So, I don’t think I am making this stuff up Whistler.  If the Evangelical vote hadn’t come on strong since 2000, George W. Bush wouldn’t have been elected President.  What are evangelicals?  Christians.  Therefore, I think you can say that the Christian voting bloc has voted Republican and is a very influential member of the Republican Party.  They think that homosexuality is sin.  Therefore, I am going to stand by my way of thinking and say that the Catholic Church is a very important vehicle for the Republican Party and they think that homosexuality is sin.

Rob, I agree with you, that the separation of church and state is a farce.  It can’t be done.  However when I hear that Christianity is being attacked and that Democrats just want to bring the religion down, I can only shake my head.  Christianity has had over 200 years of basic sole-worship here in the US.  Why can’t I or anybody else say that we believe that Religion needs to come out of some decisions without being called anti-christian? 

For me personally, I would love to see all politicians go to their own church congregation for their religious beliefs and stop making what amounts to a campaign stop every Sunday morning during the election cycle.  Religion is a personal choice, so that shouldn’t be part of politics in my view.

However when I hear that Christianity is being attacked and that Democrats just want to bring the religion down, I can only shake my head.

I can agree with that...in a way.  I think some of the things the ACLU gets behind (like removing the Easter Bunny from a city employee’s desk, taking down a cross erected by veterans, etc.) is pretty stupid.

When it comes to the religion, the left needs to learn some more “live and let live.”

Why can’t I or anybody else say that we believe that Religion needs to come out of some decisions without being called anti-christian?

I don’t know...why can’t I say that I oppose raising teacher pay without being told that I hate kids?  Why can’t I oppose certain entitlements without being told that I hate poor people?

Politics are rough, and there’s always going to be people out there who say mean things about you because of your positions.  But that’s no excuse to go painting the people who disagree with you with a broad brush (although we’re all prone to doing just that, often out of frustration).

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.

-- Thomas Jefferson

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Lots of goal posts moving by our poster here.  You guys have more patience than I.

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