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Saturday, September 15, 2007

More Evidence for Global Warming

... or not.

Via Powerlineblog, Icecap is reporting that “the Southern Hemisphere (Antarctica) has quietly set a new record for most ice extent since 1979.”

They report further:

While the Antarctic Peninsula area has warmed in recent years and ice near it diminished during the Southern Hemisphere summer, the interior of Antarctica has been colder and ice elsewhere has been more extensive and longer lasting, which explains the increase in total extent. This dichotomy was shown in this World Climate Report blog posted recently with a similar tale told in this paper by Ohio State Researcher David Bromwich, who agreed “It’s hard to see a global warming signal from the mainland of Antarctica right now.”

Indeed, according the NASA GISS data, the South Pole winter (June/July/August) has cooled about 1 degree F since 1957 and the coldest year was 2004. [...] This winter has been an especially harsh one in the Southern Hemisphere with cold and snow records set in Australia, South America and Africa.

I’ll note that that since global warming models predict that the main region where mean temperatures are supposed to rise is at the poles, this is a very problematic result.

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Rob
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On the other poll, though, the ice along the “northwest passage” is at an all-time low.  According to this article, anyway.  But there’s probably an explanation for that outside of anthropomorphic global warming.

I think I read somewhere once that the earth has a “wobble” to it that may be causing some of this?


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Rob on September 15, 2007 at 10:45 am

Rob, the problem with the arctic ice loss meme is that it started around 1850—the point where we left the Little Ice Age.  This is a problem because human generated global warming was only supposed to have been an issue since the late 1970s.

Have you ever noticed that they show you “before” and “after” pictures of glaciers, where the “before” is circa 1900, not 1970.  The hidden story for many of those glaciers is most of that ice lost had already occurred by 1970.  They also play little games like comparing the ice loss from 1980-current to 1960-1980.

Of course we were in a relative cooling period from 1960-1980, so it’s hardly surprising that the ice loss is accelerating relative to then.

Anyway, if you think about it in terms of leaving a period where ice was actually increasing, it’s a) not unexpected to have ice loss once we leave that period, and b) how do we know that the Northwest Passage wasn’t open before the start of the Little Ice Age? 

It’s likely we’re just returning that state, somewhat accelerated by human activity, but where it would go naturally in any case.

Carrick on September 15, 2007 at 08:56 pm
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