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Monday, January 22, 2007

Modern Islam - A Death Cult?

In a post after Michelle Malkin returned from Iraq I saw this quote from one of our soldiers ‘These people (refering to the Iraqis) love death’.  This statements appears to correlate well with the reverence muslims give to their suicide bombers who are eager to go to an early grave shouting ‘Allah Akbar’.  In general, devote followers of Islam seem to have little regard for life prefering death by alleged martyrdom [if one can consider blowing oneself up with as many others as possible a work of piety].

Another thing that is brought to my mind is the war our country fought with a different people who seem to have the similar death cult wishes.  Of course I am refering to the Japanese of WWII who would eagerly die for their cause rather than submit.  The extreme example of this was the banzai pilots who flew planes loaded with explosives into our ships killing thousands of troops.  This may have been the first large scale use of suicide bombers. I also remembered what our country thought it had to do to change this Japanese mindset, that is the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

What will it take to convince the muslims to abandoned their death cult?  After 9/11 some suggested nuking Mecca and other muslim holy places.  As the muslims develop real offensive military capability especially with nuclear weapons, some drastic measure such as that may be necessary.

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Doc,

There’s no question at all as to whether or not Islam is a death cult. It is. They’ve stated that they love death as the West loves life. And for the life of me I don’t see why the modern Western societies can’t see that Islam is the greatest threat to our civilization ever. Check out the quote I posted below.


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Pilgrim on January 22, 2007 at 02:52 pm

Yes, I too believe that Islam is a death cult but my main point was that we had to use nukes to jolt the Japanese death cult back to reality and perhaps we’ll have to do the same to wake up the muslims.


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docdave on January 22, 2007 at 04:19 pm
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ummm.. the problem is, it is one of the biggest sins to commit suicide in Islam. So are these people following Islam or something or someone else?

trumpcard on January 22, 2007 at 05:50 pm

Good question, trump.  You’ll noticed I titled my post ‘modern Islam’ because I was sure that suicide terrorism was part of Islam in the past years.  The muslims and media give us a continuous barrage of ‘Islam is peaceful’ messages but that doesn’t correlate well with todays muslim terrorist activities.


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docdave on January 22, 2007 at 06:15 pm

DD, wish I had seen this earlier. Modern Islam is an abstract not yet realized. The Deathcult is Wahabism. This life, here, today, on Earth, is a damnation. A punishment. A Cycle in Hell to be endured in order to reach Heaven/Paradise. And the lie of Martyrdom is used to lure people into this abomination against Humanity and Yahweh/Jehovah/God/Allah.

Islam desperately needs a Calvin or Martin Luther.


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2Hotel9 on January 22, 2007 at 06:38 pm

Whatever that death cult is, it seems to have usurped Islam as its vehicle to carry out its terrorist and I don’t see much on the apparent softer side of Islam to counter it (wahabism).  The Saudis seem to be the largest exporters and supporters of wahabism, so why do we treat them as if they are our friends?


You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

docdave on January 22, 2007 at 07:08 pm

That, Sir, is the $64,000 question. The House of Saud has been walking the razor’s edge for decades now, and all the old men who built this house of straw are dead and gone.

Islam is the siren’s song. To surrender yourself to God’s will. No matter what you do, to claim it as God’s will. Seductive to the weak of mind, to the weak of soul.


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2Hotel9 on January 22, 2007 at 08:05 pm

Seductive to the weak of mind, to the weak of soul.

Funny, I thought that descripton best fit liberalism.  Come to think of it there are significant similarities.


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docdave on January 22, 2007 at 08:22 pm
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You see, the problem lies where uneducated people living in poor countries and people with their own agenda prey on these people. They can take a religion and misinterrupt into what they want people to do. Say in Afghanistan, the people struggle to survive, the conditions they live in a very bad, they don’t read arabic, and if they believe someone who is translating the Qur’an for them, then that person can manipulate them. They are versus in the Qur’an that high scholars can’t interrupt properly, there are versus about war. These are the one’s the media publish, out of context and misinterrupted. Anyone can do it, take for instance this verse.

“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the world. No, I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. I came to set sons against their fathers, daughters against their mothers, daughters in-law against their mothers-in-law.”

Yup Jesus said it in the Bible, Matther 10:34-35

And if I spread this to people who could not read the Bible for themselves, and they followed my words, you can have the same effect.

Trumpcard on January 22, 2007 at 08:50 pm
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Sorry above post needs spelling mistakes fixed

Matther 10:34-35 = Matthew 10:34-35

Trumpcard on January 22, 2007 at 08:54 pm

T, you are quite correct, spelling aside. This has happened in all major religions. It is why you should let no man stand between you and God, as the Qur’an puts it.


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2Hotel9 on January 22, 2007 at 09:05 pm

Of course I am refering to the Japanese of WWII who would eagerly die for their cause rather than submit.--Docdave

Maybe Japan is worth dying for to those banzai pilots, but you think America isn’t? Just sounds like you have no testicles. (I think loyalty and patriotism is for ‘tards, so I certainly won’t be dying for some shitty country any time soon.)

Since the 2003 invasion of Iraq, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have been killed by, and because of, the invasion. Maybe the Christian invaders were part of a murder cult? What will it take for them to give up their murder cult, a couple of nukes?


“All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.”
“Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.” —George Orwell

Anarchist Vegetarian on January 22, 2007 at 09:12 pm

And AV The Fucking Retard is heard from once again. Everyone give him a hand, as he exits, stage leftard.


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2Hotel9 on January 22, 2007 at 09:20 pm

And AV The Fucking Retard is heard from once again. Everyone give him a hand, as he exits, stage leftard.--2Hotel9

Sorry if you miss me, but I am an irregular visitor as I am very busy. But some of your insults are quite witty, for a red-neck, so I always come back smile .

Also, my previous post was tounge-in-cheek. I just find it funny that Docdave’s solution to a `Death Cult’ is to nuke them. It reminds me of one of the signs after the Danish cartoons outrage:

Behead all those who say Islam is a violent religion--A Muslim that doesn’t understand irony


“All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.”
“Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.” —George Orwell

Anarchist Vegetarian on January 22, 2007 at 09:40 pm

They tell us that they wish to die for their GOD. As helpful citizens we should all eagerly assist them in attaining this goal. It is only right and proper.


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2Hotel9 on January 22, 2007 at 10:06 pm

Anarchist Vegetarian said, (I think loyalty and patriotism is for ‘tards, so I certainly won’t be dying for some shitty country any time soon.)

You think loyalty is for “‘tards”? Good luck in getting a girl. And good luck getting out of your shitty country. Maybe you can get lucky and move to America.

Since the 2003 invasion of Iraq, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have been killed by, and because of, the invasion.

Where did you pull that number out of?

likwidshoe on January 22, 2007 at 10:14 pm
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” It is why you should let no man stand between you and God, as the Qur’an puts it. “

Over 1400 years ago. Pagans were all over Arabia. When the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) came with his message that God is one, no partners, no symbols, he also said how to treat humans equally, the rich have no rights over the poor, it says women are equal to men. He gave the slaves rights. The Pagans hated this because the slaves followed the Prophet, there are many cases were you can find when the slave’s master found out, they tortured their slaves telling them to worship their idol, and they replied that “God is one”. They kept being tortured because they believed that God is one, but they never hit their master’s, never insulted, but kept being punished. Is this occurance where they don’t let people stand in their way of God?

The Qur’an is poetry, if you can read Arabic you will see. That is why you can’t take everything that is said literally.

I might be going for a high position in my workplace and I will not let anyone stand in my way. Does that mean I should murder them all? Or does it mean, I will not be deterred by people for the goal that I wish to achieve.

Trumpcard on January 22, 2007 at 10:18 pm

2H9,

As long as they aren’t permitted the chance to take anyone else with them.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on January 22, 2007 at 10:19 pm

No, T, it means that you, yourself must know the word of god, which ever religion. Do not allow someone else to tell you what the Torah,Bible, or Qur’an says. Do not allow others to “explain” the meaning of your particular religion’s writings and tenets.


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2Hotel9 on January 22, 2007 at 10:28 pm

Trumpcard said, When the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh)

Sorry, but I can’t wish peace upon a guy (not a “Prophet") who married a six year old and then waited three years for her vagina to open up wide enough for him to consummate.

May Hell be upon him (hbuh).

Btw, hallucinations does not equal a vision from God.

likwidshoe on January 22, 2007 at 10:30 pm

You think loyalty is for “‘tards”? Good luck in getting a girl. And good luck getting out of your shitty country.--Likwidshoe

Loyalty, like faith, opposes rationality. If there is a good reason for helping someone, then why the need for loyalty? Loyalty is only for those who are abusers or the abused. Do you think a woman should stay with her abusive husband out of loyalty? Do you think someone should serve Saddam (or Hitler, or Bush, or Osama) out of loyalty?

Again, in case you are a little slow, if there is a clear rational reason for doing something, then loyalty isn’t needed.


“All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.”
“Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.” —George Orwell

Anarchist Vegetarian on January 22, 2007 at 10:32 pm

Round&round&round&round&round


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2Hotel9 on January 22, 2007 at 10:33 pm
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"They tell us that they wish to die for their GOD”

Muslims wish to die in a state of Islam. Which is to know that what you have done in this life you can’t be accountable for. Like stealing, cheating, murdering, raping, lieing, helping others, being a good mother or father, teaching your kids right, treating people with respect. If you actually read about Islam you will find out what it is really about, but you won’t find it in the hate forums, you won’t find it in the media.

Trumpcard on January 22, 2007 at 10:34 pm

If you actually read about Islam you will find out what it is really about, but you won’t find it in the hate forums, you won’t find it in the media.

Yeah but, how is it practiced?

That’s the important question.

likwidshoe on January 22, 2007 at 10:58 pm
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Well Likwidshoe first of all about what you said; “Sorry, but I can’t wish peace upon a guy (not a “Prophet") who married a six year old and then waited three years for her vagina to open up wide enough for him to consummate.”

There are errors in your statment, you see if you know where this article came from, you would know that it says she reached puberty BEFORE they were married. I don’t know anyone 6 years old who has reached puberty do you? Infact wherever you regurgitated this information is totally wrong. If you want a full understanding of what really happened, it is explained here “http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-7130386243942838336&q=yusuf+estes” @ 37:30 mins

This is the problem we have, you see the terrorists are doing the terrorising and using the cover of Islam, because thats what people did to manipulate them. These people usually from poor countries, where all they see is starvation, killing, fighting. They can not write or read their own language, so if they trust someone, they wil believe what they are being told.

If you read about Islam, terrorising is against the main points. Suicide is a sin. In Islam you can’t even kill an ant, because no one has the right to take something’s life away unjustily. We can only fight if we are being attacked, but if the attacker stops we must stop. So blowing one self up in a crowd is totally wrong. First suicide and no one was even attacking him to fight, yes or no?

The non-muslims say it’s Islam and tell everyone Islam is treachery and make up the lies, like the 6 year old girl (if you watch the video you’ll understand).

So one end you have TERRORISTS saying they dying for Islam, then you have the rest of the world say Muslims are TERRORISTS and they give misqouted, misinterrupt information. The Muslims in the middle telling the terrorists it’s not Islam and the rest of the world that the lies they spread are not Islam.

The thing that separates you from the people who get brainwashed is you live in a country where you can find the right information by asking maybe a real muslim, researching yourself. Or we can just be spoon feed by the people above us in society, one creating terrorists and the other creating ignorance and wanting to kill innocent people because of these terrorists.

The way to solve this crisis is not to blow up Meccah, nor destroy holy places. It’s education, from the right sources, so when someone does something I’m doing it for Allah, people know that he is wrong, and you can rat them out by the views that they hold. Eventually those people who get preyed upon for brainwashing will know the truth so they won’t be brainwashed.

Trumpcard on January 23, 2007 at 12:09 am

There are errors in your statment, you see if you know where this article came from, you would know that it says she reached puberty BEFORE they were married. I don’t know anyone 6 years old who has reached puberty do you? Infact wherever you regurgitated this information is totally wrong. If you want a full understanding of what really happened, it is explained here “http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-7130386243942838336&q=yusuf+estes” @ 37:30 mins

You give me a link that says she was nine? How many girls at age nine have reached puberty? Even if she has reached puberty, she’s nine years old! It’s sick any which way you want to look at it.

This is the problem we have...

The problem you have is that your religion is filled with a bunch of animals. Your religion was born out of conquest and bloody borders and it continues to this day.

The practice of Islam was is not peaceful. It never has been. And that’s the root of the problem.

likwidshoe on January 23, 2007 at 12:28 am

The problem you have is that your religion is filled with a bunch of animals. Your religion was born out of conquest and bloody borders and it continues to this day.

The practice of Islam was is not peaceful. It never has been. And that’s the root of the problem.--Likwidshoe

There are well over a billion Muslims, yet how many are murderers? There are also well over a billion Christians too, and plenty of them, not just Docdave, advocate a war against Islam. Even you, a claimed agnostic, have advocated destroying all mosques in America. I hate to generalize, but maybe the problem is ignorance, fear, and hate?


“All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.”
“Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.” —George Orwell

Anarchist Vegetarian on January 23, 2007 at 01:24 am
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"You give me a link that says she was nine? How many girls at age nine have reached puberty? Even if she has reached puberty, she’s nine years old! It’s sick any which way you want to look at it.”

What the?!?

This is how lies spread, you didn’t watch half of it, and claim she was nine.

Did you watch 10seconds of the clip? He said, she was nine when he asked the first time, and she couldnt make up her mind because she was too young, it wasn’t until a few years later that he came back and asked. He got the parents consent, and yes in states of America you too can marry a girl at the age of 12 with the parents consent.

Even then they didnt run off and have sex, it was years before they had a child. This proves how ignorant you really are, you couldn’t watch the clip for 1 minute more.

Look in ancient times how young the girls were getting married 12-14 years old, times have changed and the way society thinks about age of marriage has gotten older.

Trumpcard on January 23, 2007 at 03:07 am
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So far likwidshoe, you have posted incorrect statements with no supporting evidence, quoted a video clip incorrectly. Hmmm, don’t worry, your not the only one to do this, it happens all the time.

You have proved by what you have said, you don’t really know anything about Islam, nor do you want to know. Your mind is set and you believe those who support what you believe, and people who tell otherwise are wrong.

Trumpcard on January 23, 2007 at 03:18 am

Anarchist Vegetarian said, There are well over a billion Muslims, yet how many are murderers?

But who is in control? It sure as hell isn’t the billion Muslims who are supposedly peaceful.

Even you, a claimed agnostic, have advocated destroying all mosques in America.

Where and when did I do that? Go ahead and point it out.

I hate to generalize, but maybe the problem is ignorance, fear, and hate?

Sure, blame the guy who points out the problems.

Speaking of “ignorance”, maybe I can correct that by taking a trip to Mecca to see what the religion is all about. That would be a good idea, right? I can go to the source so that I can learn and observe.

But wait a minute! It’s not possible, you say? Because I’m an “infidel” and I am not allowed anywhere near the city of Mecca? Well then “Anarchist Vegetarian”, maybe you can now direct your comments towards the Muslims.

Go ahead, be honest and consistent and tell them that they’re filled with “ignorance, fear, and hate”. Somehow, I doubt you’ll apply the same standards to them. Call it a hunch.

Speaking of ignorance, fear, and hate - how come every majority Muslim country in the world today has one set of rules and laws for Muslims, while another more restricting set for non-Muslims? Have you even noticed that “Anarchist Vegetarian”? Probably not. You’re too busy directing your ignorance and hate towards me to notice how the “infidels” are treated in Muslim countries.

Trumpcard said, Did you watch 10seconds of the clip?

I listened to about five minutes of it before I turned it off.

He said, she was nine when he asked the first time, and she couldnt make up her mind because she was too young, it wasn’t until a few years later that he came back and asked.

So when he picked up another wife, he asked a nine year old. Okay.

He got the parents consent, and yes in states of America you too can marry a girl at the age of 12 with the parents consent.

No you can’t. And you’re bitching at me? You can’t even get the present right and you’re upset at me for possibly getting 1300 years ago wrong.

Even then they didnt run off and have sex, it was years before they had a child. This proves how ignorant you really are, you couldn’t watch the clip for 1 minute more.

Are you trying to avoid looking at the sickness inherent in Islam by focusing on this one topic?

So far likwidshoe, you have posted incorrect statements with no supporting evidence, quoted a video clip incorrectly.

I didn’t quote anything wrong. You said it yourself. Your “prophet” (hbuh) was trying to get ass off of a nine year old. He was in his fifties. What a classy guy! I guess his other wives just weren’t enough for this guy.

You have proved by what you have said, you don’t really know anything about Islam, nor do you want to know.

I know that many people who call themselves Muslims pack bombs onto their bodies and seek out innocent people. They love to torture and rape. The younger the better. They always yell out, “ALLAH AKBAR!” like some crazed lunatic as they do these acts. This isn’t just limited to one area of the world or even a few. This problem is worldwide.

I know that I can’t even go anywhere near Mecca. If I did “want to know”, I still wouldn’t be allowed. So stop your bitching.

I know what your fellow Muslim brothers show me. Sadly for you, it isn’t good. Instead of going out and taking care of that problem, you’re here bitching at me over the age of your “prophet’s” wife. That’s sad.

Your mind is set and you believe those who support what you believe, and people who tell otherwise are wrong.

Blah blah blah blah. Blow it out your ass. Work on the problems in your religion and then get back to me.

likwidshoe on January 23, 2007 at 06:50 am

… and yes in states of America you too can marry a girl at the age of 12 with the parents consent.

Trumpcard,

Would you be good enough to provide some authoritative proof of what you claim here, please?  I could be wrong, but I don’t believe marriage at 12 years old is legal anywhere in the US.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on January 23, 2007 at 07:17 am

Anarchist Vegetarian - here’s your “ignorance, fear, and hate”.

Trumpcard - heh...go ahead and explain this one. And then get back to me on that “ignorant” thing. The photo below is as far as someone like me can get to your “holy” city.

an example of Muslim tolerance

likwidshoe on January 23, 2007 at 07:18 am

Have to agree with lik.  Muslims are incredible intolerant of other religions and non-muslim people.  Where does those notions come from if not from Islam itself. At least you’re consistent like every other muslim claim that its only misinterpretations of the Quaran that fuel the belief that Islam is not peaceful.  While you’re doing that you might also explain the basis of honor killings and the prosecution of women especially those that have been sexually violated (raped).

One other thing - I NEVER wrote that I wanted to nuke Mecca and other muslim sites.  What I wrote was that it took nukes to subjugate the death cult in Japan and it might very well take similar drastic measures to the same for the muslim death culture.


You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

docdave on January 23, 2007 at 07:22 am

Muslims are incredible intolerant of other religions and non-muslim people.--Docdave

Evangelical Christians seem to be very intolerant too, not just intolerant towards other religions either, but science also.

Where and when did I do that [advocate destroying mosques]? Go ahead and point it out. --Likwidshoe

Twice I think, one was what you would do if you were president for a day, can’t remember the details of the other. Cannot find a search bar on this site to back me up unfortunately.


“All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.”
“Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.” —George Orwell

Anarchist Vegetarian on January 23, 2007 at 06:11 pm

veg, your attempts of creating a terror equivalence between Christianity and Islam is utterly ridiculous and irrevalent to this post not to mention that it also is untrue.  Are you a muslim and/or are you a shill for Islam?  Or do you just hate Christians?


You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

docdave on January 23, 2007 at 06:26 pm

DD, he will provide 0 proof of that accusation, we been this round before. Several times.


Una Salus Victus Nullam Sperare Salutem

2Hotel9 on January 23, 2007 at 06:42 pm

Anarchist Vegetarian said, Twice I think, one was what you would do if you were president for a day, can’t remember the details of the other.

Oh, you mean here.

I was joking dude. That was a silly post asking for silly responses. I also said that I would “feed Charles Rangel to alligators”. I mean...come on.

There is no other.

likwidshoe on January 23, 2007 at 06:43 pm

I was joking dude.--Likwidshoe

Okay, fair call.

veg, your attempts of creating a terror equivalence between Christianity...--Docdave

I am not trying to do that. I am simply saying that a common property organised religions seem to have is that they claim to be the one true religion (except maybe Buddhism?). I think this is atleast partly to blame for conflict and intolerance between religions. The more extreme one seems to be in support of their religion, the more they seem to aggravate the conflict.


“All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.”
“Every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.” —George Orwell

Anarchist Vegetarian on January 23, 2007 at 07:07 pm
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