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While I think it’s inappropriate for any corp to be supporting that sort of tiny minority “cause”, I don’t like the use of leftie intimidation tactics by people who should know better.

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McDonalds should focus on food quality and safety issues instead of attacking the values held by the majority of people worldwide.

Who are they attacking? I don’t think they are. You guys are just uppity if there is any talk of sex that is not missionary position.

Go back to 1200 with the Taliban.

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Robert108:

While I think it’s inappropriate for any corp to be supporting that sort of tiny minority “cause”, I don’t like the use of leftie intimidation tactics by people who should know better.

Please help me understand why it is wrong to express their outrage by picketing and a boycott? If they do nothing then McDonalds has no incentive to change do they? So, wouldn’t that be Christians surrendering to McDonalds and whenever they buy at that place helping support the homosexual agenda? No protests and no boycott, so what do you suggest they do?

Sparkie: That is okay, you get your buttcoks uppity all the time to receive a man’s penis in your poop shoot, we just get uppity in decent and moral ways.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Please help me understand why it is wrong to express their outrage by picketing and a boycott? Boycott=free people making free choices; picketing=intimidation.  Understand? If they do nothing then McDonalds has no incentive to change do they?

Collectivism requires coercion, while individualism does not.  If you don’t like how McDonald’s does business, don’t do business with them.  What you are advocating is making a political statement to force them to your way of thinking.  True spirituality is choosing God, not being forced to choose Him.

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Robert108: I respectfully disagree! I think people of like mind can join together to express outrage and take action to make a point without being unChristian. But, I won’t fight about it, while I will join the boycott!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman: I can’t explain the difference between violent intimidation and individual choice any more clearly.

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Based on what he just said, 108 would be opposed to demonstrations at abortion parlors and counter-demonstrations to leftie ones.

If you don’t like how McDonald’s does business, don’t do business with them.

ergo,

“If you don’t like abortions, don’t have one.” [A favorite slogan of the left, by the way.]

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The times, they are a-changin’...
Bob Dylan

ergo,

“If you don’t like abortions, don’t have one.” [A favorite slogan of the left, by the way.]

Wrong again.  While I don’t support violent intimidation at abortion clinics, either, my solution is to remove the abomination of Roe vs Wade, and vote against public funding for abortion, in any form.
While it might be a regrettable one, individual freedom must allow individuals to choose abortion if they wish, although all costs should be borne by the individual, IMO.
Federalizing abortion is wrong, and violent intimidation is wrong.  Get it?

Whenever you attempt to speak for me, pp, you get it totally wrong.  Why can’t you learn to speak for yourself only?

Of course, you will lie and deny that you are attacking me here, but it’s pretty obvious.  No sale.

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108: The Boston Tea Party was collective, violent coercion.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The times, they are a-changin’...
Bob Dylan

With respect to Robert108:

1st: Neither I nor any of these protestors are by word or deed trying to force anyone to accept Christ or Christian beliefs. That is to totally misconstrue their intent. To ask McDonald’s to stop financially supporting the homosexual agenda is to influence such decision making and that is it!

Oh, there has been no violence involved, so “violent intimidation” is also to misstate the facts.

2nd: The tyrue intent was and is twofold: (a) To stop spending money at McD’s while they spend it advancing the homosexual agenda. (b) To make sure their voices of discontent at McD’s homosexual polies are not ignored.

3rd: Despite being a conservative, I believe there are times when intimidation by the people are warranted. I believe without such intimidation tactics the labor of this country would still be mistreated like slaves and the strong, intimidating union movement early in the past century changed that equation to our good. I am not saying I like everything about the unions today, only that business will generally not actually look out for their employees best interests, unless some acts of intimidation are threatened. I could offer other examples.

It seems to me that to equate all acts of protest and even acts of economic intimidation with Collectivism is wrong, these people are not demanding control or ownership of McDonalds, but rather to demonstrate a social/political policy of that corporation has negative economic consequences.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

pp
are you an apologist for the brit king’s tax scheme? seems a unique position here in America.

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

108: The Boston Tea Party was collective, violent coercion.

It was the start of a Revolution; is that what you’re suggesting about trying to force people not to go to McDonald’s?  A bit of a reach.  Next thing, you’ll be referring to jihadis as “freedom fighters”.

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ergo,

“If you don’t like abortions, don’t have one.” [A favorite slogan of the left, by the way.]

I guess the ‘live and let live’ slogan just doesn’t work on that one, eh? more like that guns and roses tune, eh?

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Neither I nor any of these protestors are by word or deed trying to force anyone to accept Christ or Christian beliefs. I said no such thing. That is to totally misconstrue their intent. To ask It’s not “asking” when you try to restrict free access; that’s the violent part. McDonald’s to stop financially supporting the homosexual agenda is to influence such decision making and that is it!

The violent part is trying to keep people from making a free choice.  What part of that don’t you understand?
I think Christians demean themselves when they use immoral means to enforce their morality.

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I think Christians demean themselves when they use immoral means to enforce their morality.

As do I. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone[r into San Francisco bay].

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Robert108: I am sorry friend but I do not think anyone here is attacking you in any shape, manner or form. This is a civil discussion, now on what you believe are acts of intimidation versus the opinions of others on that matter. Further, I don’t recall anyone here approving of violent protests at abortion clinics. I think you are projecting motives and beliefs not contained in the responses.

I could be wrong, but that is my opinion.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Robert108 said: ”True spirituality is choosing God, not being forced to choose Him.” While he did not use the name Christ or Christianity, seeing how Christ is God then IMO he said what I suggested he said just in other words. Technically he did not invoke Christ’s Name or Christianity, but a rose by any other name still smells the same!

I think Christians demean themselves when they use immoral means to enforce their morality.

Please tell me what in he Bible suggest that non-violent protests (I reject your characterization of their actions) and economic boycott is immoral? Isn’t that your wholly subjective opinion, not one clearly based on Scripture?

Sparkie: Your hatred of both Christ and the Church wholly disqualfies you as an objective authority on actions of people of faith.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

That is okay, you get your buttcoks uppity all the time to receive a man’s penis in your poop shoot, we just get uppity in decent and moral ways.

How come dicks being forcefully rammed into the rectums of other men always comes up in conversation any time Neiman enters a thread?

My two cents: r108 nails it right on the head.

Sparkie: Your hatred of both Christ and the Church wholly disqualfies you as an objective authority on actions of people of faith.

I don’t hate Christ. He wasn’t a hypocrite.

Hard to believe that all this religious fervor is riled by just one woman’s attempt to save her own life by fibbing about infidelity. “The lord came to me and said I would bear him a child.” “It wasn’t bob down the street, I swear.”

Yun Chu said, “You must strictly not express in words what is very significant. Both dragon and snake are killed in one blow.”

Neiman: To me, stopping people from moving freely, as they choose, is violent intimidation.  Hope that clears things up for you.  Closing off a street to protest something is violent intimidation, IMO, because it interrupts the lives of many people to get attention for the “cause”.

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...and economic boycott is immoral?

I made it clear that individual choice to not do business with someone is not immoral, so please stop trying to mischaracterize what I said.
I think the morality of using collective action to stop another collective action is questionable.

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None-the-less, 108, the Boston tea party was collective, violent coercion intended to prevent the consumption of taxed British tea.

You can argue the ‘merits’ of it all day long, but it was what it was.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The times, they are a-changin’...
Bob Dylan

To me, stopping people from moving freely, as they choose, is violent intimidation.  Hope that clears things up for you.  Closing off a street to protest something is violent intimidation, IMO, because it interrupts the lives of many people to get attention for the “cause”.

We agree that we have different interpretations of intimidation and th actions of these people.

I think Christians demean themselves when they use immoral means to enforce their morality.

I am not trying to mischaracterize your statements, I read and interpret them based on what the words mean to me, I cannot read your mind. In the above statement I saw no qualification for your accusations of immoral acts by Christians protesting McDonalds. First, I do not agree at all that these actions are in any manner, shape or form and attempt to enforce their morality on anyone. McDonalds can continue to believe homoexuality is a moral act if they choose these people are only objecting to a corporate policy that uses part of the money customerts spend on a homosexual political agenda and they want to be able to shop at McD’s without having their money used to support that cause. Next, contray to your expressed opinion, I do not think anything they are doing by any reasonable definition can be interpreted as being immoral.

Ken:

How come dicks being forcefully rammed into the rectums of other men always comes up in conversation any time Neiman enters a thread?

I challenge you to prove that I bring this up everytime or even with great frequency or admit you lied! Give us how many times out of almost 4700 comments I have used that expression and then tell us how that frequency equals “any time” or even often.

Next, Sparkie irritates me with his constant anti-Christian venom and I sometimes react with less than charity just to irritate him, although you notice he never denies the charge.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman: I repeat; your continued attempts to mischaracterize me as being against the individual choice to not do business with McDonald’s is what I’m referring to.

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pp: Your attempt to make an equivalence between the American revolution and an agendized political protest is noted.  How about those jihadi “freedom fighters”, eh?  Same thing, according to your equivalence.

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I don’t attempt to make an equivelance with anything. 

The Boston Tea Party was collective, violent coercion intended to prevent the consumption of taxed tea.

You spend most of your time trying to impugn my motives and statements, Robert. Is that one of your ‘college debater’ tactics?  Or is that out of the Gen. Curtis LeMay handbook on winning at all costs?

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The times, they are a-changin’...
Bob Dylan

Robert108: I do not believe I mischaracterized what you said at all, I don’t believe I ever implied you were against individual choice in this matter only an organized protest; but, I think we have made our differences quite clear in a civil manner and I am concerned as I don’t want a simple disagreement between us to degenerate into something less agreeable, not that I am saying you were, just that to go much beyond this point raises that risk.

I appreciate and respect your differences of opinion on this matter.

How about those jihadi “freedom fighters”, eh?  Same thing, according to your equivalence.

I do not believe PP’s point was that extreme!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

I guess the ‘live and let live’ slogan just doesn’t work on that one, eh?

Killing defenseless children is “live and let live”, according to you, Sparkie?  Twisted.

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Neiman: Once again, you lumped economic boycott and “protest” at McDonald’s stores together, and I didn’t.
I think if all Christians freely agree not to patronize McDonald’s, I have no problem with that.  Trying to discourage people from freely choosing to go to McDonald’s, on the other hand, is violent intimidation, in my view.  I hope I have finally made this distinction clear to you.

I do not believe PP’s point was that extreme!

Take his equivalence to its logical conclusion.

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Robert108: You have made your points clear, I have done the same and we simply agree to disagree!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Neiman:  With 108, one is never free to simply disagree.  He HAS to win.

...never give an inch in a debate…

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The times, they are a-changin’...
Bob Dylan

Neiman:  With 108, one is never free to simply disagree.  He HAS to win.

And you don’t?  Another gratuitous, no-content personal attack.  No sale.

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I don’t attempt to make an equivelance with anything.

The Boston Tea Party was collective, violent coercion intended to prevent the consumption of taxed tea.

And then you try to make an equivalence.  Too funny!
Now you’re spinning yourself into circles.

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We can not always understand our own motives clearly, but I hope and pray my deire is not to win outside of war or defending someone else of course. I have on occasion fought that way because I felt lied about or attacked, which was wrong of me; but my real desire is only to make my feelings known and only defend why I said what I said and that is why I am trying to walk away from this debate, I feel the opinions have all been expressed clearly and there is no way anyone will convince the other of either their motives or beliefs.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Oh, robert!  You left out the best part!

.... never give an inch in a debate…

How come you left that out, huh?

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The times, they are a-changin’...
Bob Dylan

and then you try to make an equivelance

Oh?  Where is there an equivelance in that statement, robert?

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The times, they are a-changin’...
Bob Dylan

Bla bla bla

Why not get back to the point of 108’s post.

What are we gonna do about McDonald’s selling hamburgers to homos and what other things can we do to restrict McDonald’s from doing what they want with the money they earn from selling sheety food.

Excuse me, you were saying?

How come you left that out, huh?

It’s in my signature; duh.

Are you now going to lie about your using the Boston Tea Party as an equivalence with protesting at McDonald’s?  You’re really getting desperate here.

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Typical liberal response:

Anti-war anti-Bush anti-American [burn the flag] demonstrations ok.

Anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-socialism (and other liberal perversions) bad.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

Neiman, thanks for posting this.  It got me to get off my duff (OK, I’m at my desk so I was still on my duff!) and send a note to McDonald’s pointing out how cruel it is to present the idea, implicitly or explicitly, that homosexual conduct is not harmful.  Reality is that it takes 30 to 40 years off a man’s life, on the average, and has a host of other bad effects.

Boycott by my family?  Well, my kids are already starting to do so based on mediocre food, so probably not.  We were never huge customers anyways.  That said, we’ve gone to Arby’s at least once due to this.

(time for somebody to tell me Arby’s is pulling the same stunt?)

PP:

The Boston Tea Party was collective, violent coercion intended to prevent the consumption of taxed tea.

Just wanted to correct a historical myth. The Boston Tea Party was actually brought about because the British removed the import tax from the East India Co. For a while, the company had a decline in sales due to the cheaper prices brought in by colonial smugglers, but removing the tax allowed the company to sell tea below the smugglers’ prices. As a result, the smugglers (some of which were our founding fathers) organized the Boston Tea Party in order to destroy the cheaper, untaxed British tea.

IMO, the Boston Tea Party wasn’t right or justified. It was an attack on a private company. The colonists should have chosen government-owned facilities/ships as targets. The Revolution was justified, but that doesn’t mean that all actions taken before, during, and after were necessarily moral.

Neiman,

I challenge you to prove that I bring this up everytime or even with great frequency or admit you lied!

Relax, it was just some harmless ball bustin’ (I even put in the to make it clear). I don’t really think you bring it up “any time you enter a thread”. But just for fun, here’s a gem:

… repeatedly ramming a penis or other object up the rectum of another human being is not a violation of natural design.

Neiman on June 28, 2008 at 09:05 am

Sigh:

Picketing is simply assembling to protest, a right guaranteed under the 1st. Simple protesting isn’t violent. And any attempt to say that people are being liberal or supporting intimidation is a massive distortion.

And I find it amazing that you think we have a right to not deal with other’s cigarette smoke, but that a mother has a right to kill her child.

For the first time in my adult life, I am ashamed of my country.

Reality is that it takes 30 to 40 years off a man’s life, on the average, and has a host of other bad effects.

Really? I’m pretty sure it’s the high rates of drug-use and lack of STI protection among gays, and not just being gay, that causes a lower life-span. What are the other bad effects?

What are we gonna do about McDonald’s selling hamburgers to homos and what other things can we do to restrict McDonald’s from doing what they want with the money they earn from selling sheety food.

I really feel sad for you, honestly! You make extreme, unstated, unwanted and unacceptable charges against Christians out of extreme liberal partisanship and an absence of intelligent honesty.

No one, certainly no real Christian wants to keep anyone, including homosexuals from buying hamburgers, gaining employment at McD’s, having health or other benefits or anything else. It is the right of people that spend their money at McD’s to object to how that money is spent, in that it is profits made from them. If they object they have a right to protest McD’s policies in this matter and even boycott their restaurants to make their displeasure known. If McD’s has any integrity, no matter the financial losses they suffer, they will tell Christians to butt out and they will keep spending their profits on promoting the homosexual agenda. IF they really believe in the homosexual agenda, no matter how much money they lose they will not knuckle under to these protests. Any bets?

I know these things are above your ability to understand, whether you agree with them or not, and you will continue to make charges against the Church which are not based on facts and reality.

Bike Bubba: I only rarely buy anything McD’s, their food is disgusting to me. However, I support those Christians that do buy there and are willing to stop buying there, to express their displeasure at their policies.

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

Picketing is simply assembling to protest, a right guaranteed under the 1st.

The right of assembly is not necessarily equivalent to trying to deny access and free movement, like most “picketing” is designed to do.  The entire idea of being on-site is an attempt to intimidate potential customers.  If all they really wanted to do was to “protest”, they could do that anywhere, preferably where they wouldn’t bother anyone who wasn’t interested in their cause.  In fact, they intend just the opposite.
I believe we should be able to use deadly force against those who would try to push their crap in our faces if we don’t want that.

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No one, certainly no real Christian wants to keep anyone, including homosexuals from buying hamburgers, gaining employment at McD’s, having health or other benefits or anything else.

Maybe not real Christians, but the religious right would like to have all of things happen.

Maybe not real Christians, but the religious right would like to have all of things happen.

And who might these ‘religious right’ folks be; or are you just blowing smoke as usual.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

Ken, you’ve pretty much nailed it.  STDs, poor nutrition, partying like a rockstar, resulting drug dependencies and mental illness more or less account for it, as far as I can tell.  The question you beg is whether one can “clean up” the lifestyle to get rid of most of this.  (obviously the hazard of shoving one’s privates into feces is a bit harder to eliminate...um....no pun intended)

My take is that you really cannot.  30 years after AIDS was discovered, there are still tens of thousands of infections among this group.  The ugly reality is that when one chooses this behavior, one statistically tends to choose the life-shortening behaviors as well.  Thankfully there are individual exceptions to this rule, but the statistics give another story.

Neiman: Again, I agree with you about boycotts, and disagree with you about “protests”.  Clear?

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Clear?

That word alone seems to imply you believe I am either intellectually deficient or unable to read the English language. I said a long time ago you made your points clearly, as I did mine, and as to some points we agree to disagree. I disagree respectfully!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

That word alone seems to imply you believe I am either intellectually deficient or unable to read the English language.

What you read as implication is from your own mind; I don’t imply, I say things right out.  Your characterization of me is inaccurate in every regard.  I just thought I hadn’t expressed myself clearly enough, since you kept attributing something to me that I don’t subscribe to, which is that I don’t think boycotting is immoral.  In fact, I think it’s the responsible thing to do, in our free enterprise system.  Dollar votes, and all that.

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Robert108: I hate it when you get like this, I just wanted to have a respectful end of this debate with you by our just agreeing to disagree; but, you seem in one of your moods that you will not stop until you believe in your own estimation that you have won. Won what I have no idea, but you appear, IMO, to need some kind of self-confirmation that yours is the superior intellect.

Sorry, I am tired of fighting with people over silly issues,, this is my last comment here so if you reply, does a tree in the forest make a sound if no one is there? Nope! Can’t hear it!

No matter the age or state of health, for a military man it is always glorious to tilt at windmills, rescue a fair Dulcinea and be a gallant knight in armor in a glorious cause.

I hate it when you get like this…

Like what?

I agree with you on one matter, and disagree with you on the other.  What’s wrong with that?  I’ve been honest and straightforward about this difference from the very beginning.

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