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The real Mrs. John McCain

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

The “liberal” media has been all over this story, hey?????

You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows

Bob Dylan

*shrugs*

This is resume enhancing stuff for the Democrats.

“It is a private matter.” - heard all throughout the 1990’s.

The real Mrs. John McCain

You really want to go there, boob? Show us the “real” Mrs. John Kerry, why don’t cha?

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

You really want to go there, boob? Show us the “real” Mrs. John Kerry, why don’t cha?

What is it Phoof likes to say RBB?  “False Equivalence” or something stupid like that?

John Kerry isn’t running for president Phoofy?

Besides, to Republicans this is probably a badge of honor, to ditch your wife for a better looking wife and blonde.

Didn’t Gingrich also leave his wife when she was on the hospital bed?

Troll: The silence of boobs like boob (and you) about people divorcing and remarrying until one of your opponents does it merely shows their hypocrisy.
Nice try, troll! No cigar.

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

to Republicans this is probably a badge of honor, to ditch your wife for a better looking wife and blonde.

Classless troll: See if you can find where any conservative busted on Kerry for this when he was running. Look hard.
Until then, continue to make baseless sense statements, to enhance your trail of runny meconium!

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

sorry! “sense” should be “senseless”! No one ever accused Hannitized of making sense!

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Classless troll: See if you can find where any conservative busted on Kerry for this when he was running. Look hard.
Until then, continue to make baseless sense statements, to enhance your trail of runny meconium!

Here it is, Proof:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39239
Kerry’s divorce papers: A ticking time bomb

You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows

Bob Dylan

What is your point about Kerry?  He and his first wife divorced in 1988.  He didn’t meet Teresa Heinz until 1990.  It is not like he traded in his first disabled wife for a new model that he married one month later.

He and his first wife divorced in 1988.

And according to the other troll, (if you’d bother to read the entire thread), is the “real Mrs. John Kerry, if McCain’s first wife is the “real” Mrs. John McCain.
I was merely pointing out rbb’s bullshit! Do try to keep up!

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Here it is, Proof:

I stand corrected! One guy I’ve never heard of before. Yow! That’s still not as many as liberals who busted on McCain here, in one day, but it’s a start!

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

What you fail to realize is that nobody is busting on McCain for getting a divorce.

They are busting on him for cheating on his disabled wife and than marrying the other woman a month after the divorce was finalized.  For the “Family Values” party, that should be quite stunning.

They are busting on him for cheating on his disabled wife and than marrying the other woman a month after the divorce was finalized

And you could tell ALL THAT from one photograph posted by rbb with a caption “The real Mrs. John McCain”?
Wow! You must be psychic! /sarcasm

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Had the witless troll said “The first Mrs. John McCain” there wouldn’t have been a problem.

Words mean things.

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Words mean things.

Luke 16:18

“Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery.

Words, mean things.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Rbb,

Is that the standard you live by?

Or, are you just trying throw it in someone’s face?

Well HG, I’d say....both.

How about you?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

rbb: I know a number of people who take that passage literally. You are not one of them.

For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

Matthew 7: 2-3
I could also look up some passages on hypocrisy if you like! You seem to have forgotten those!

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

I can live with that.

You?

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

I can live with that.

Hypocrisy? Apparently!

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Well HG, I’d say....both.

I kinda figured.  Not the first, but the second.  Glad to hear you believe the bible though.

How about you?

I do, have been for 18 years now.  That said, I don’t think myself or anyone else incapable of failing here.  Nor do I find thier failure as grounds for anyone other than God to condemn them for it. 

That said, cheating on one’s wife and divorcing her due to a mid-life crisis does reveal a character deficiency.  Whether or not that deficiency affects a person’s ability to govern is for each of us to decide come November.  Personally, I do not respect what McCain did.  However, I don’t think it disqualifies him from serving in public office.

Probably not.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

Is that the standard you live by?

Or, are you just trying throw it in someone’s face?

He failed to recognize the stark contrast between that behavior and the morals the family values crowd pretends to look up to and live by Rbb.

Simply put, voting for McCain would demonstrate a lack of principles and standards that they set for themselves.

Had the witless troll said “The first Mrs. John McCain” there wouldn’t have been a problem.

Words mean things.

Well, except for the little problem that the bible, the supposed book John McCain holds close to his heart, doesn’t recognize Cindy as a wife, only as an adulterer.

Sorry Phoof, nice try, no fuzzy stuffed animal.

Had the witless troll said…

I can see your confusion, Hannitized! I was speaking to the other witless troll!

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

...except for the little problem that the bible, the supposed book John McCain holds close to his heart, doesn’t recognize Cindy as a wife, only as an adulterer.

Most Christian denominations have made accommodation for divorce.
Darken the door of a church sometime. You might learn something!

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

I can see your confusion, Hannitized! I was speaking to the other witless troll!

Hey Genius....i understood who you were talking to.  You are the nutter that got things mixed up.  This is nothing more than what your little group does everyday....some call it ganging up.

I call it, reasonable minded people identifying stupidity, when we do it anyway.  Heh.

Most Christian denominations have made accommodation for divorce.
Darken the door of a church sometime. You might learn something!

Interesting.  How many other sins do they overlook for the sake of enjoying their own sin?

Hey Genius....i (sic)understood who you were talking to.

I know! It just gave me the opportunity to mock you! Worked well, didn’t it?

How many other sins do they overlook for the sake of enjoying their own sin?

Darken the door of a church sometime. You might learn something!

Really, troll! I just answered that question! Sheesh!

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Hannitized:

Well, except for the little problem that the bible, the supposed book John McCain holds close to his heart, doesn’t recognize Cindy as a wife, only as an adulterer.

Jumping to conclusions.  But, if that’s the case, Jesus treated repentant adulterers in the gospel rather favorably.  Have you not read?

Jumping to conclusions.  But, if that’s the case, Jesus treated repentant adulterers in the gospel rather favorably.  Have you not read?

Of course, I have.  But the point is that it’s the right wing that is pretending that morals matter, when clearly we see that they don’t, at least when it comes to their candidate.

pretending that morals matter, when clearly we see that they don’t, at least when it comes to their candidate.

Can I get a chorus of “God Damn America”? Amen, say the liberals!

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Can I get a chorus of “God Damn America”? Amen, say the liberals!

What does that have to do with Morality?  Wright’s use of the phrase was to suggest that America is immoral according to its actions and how the bible views those actions.

That was a misfire Phoof.

Imagine that, a amoral liberal lecturing on morality.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

But the point is that it’s the right wing that is pretending that morals matter, when clearly we see that they don’t, at least when it comes to their candidate

Imagine that, a amoral liberal lecturing to others on morality.  Will wonders never cease?

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

What does that have to do with Morality?

I’ll tell you, Mr. Clinton: It depends on what your definition of who “God” is, what “damn” means and what “America” is.
I wouldn’t expect you to understand!

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

I would guess that Wrights parishonerz don’t sing God Bless America or American The Beautiful on July fourth week end.

I wouldn’t be surprised if some of Wrights infamouse remarks haven’t found their way into rap lyrics.

You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

Well guess what Doc?  Your guesses are about as useful as bird poop on a fresh paint job.

Imagine that, a amoral liberal lecturing to others on morality.  Will wonders never cease?

What it actually is called is holding you accountable to your own standards.  The standards you set for yourselves and others. 

I am just calling you out on your bullshit, that’s all.

Actually, hannitized, DocDave is exactly right and - if you were being honest rather than belligerent - you would admit it.

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

Interesting.  How many other sins do they overlook for the sake of enjoying their own sin?

So Hannitized, hypothetically the Christian church should be against a woman who divorces her husband who is cheating on her or beating her?  I believe these are some of the exceptions that Proof was talking about.

Will you also now argue that we should execute homosexuals because it was commanded for those in the Old Testament to do so?

If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.  Leviticus 20:13

Hannitized, I’m sure you are disappointed that your church doesn’t want you to go out and do this for the sake of enjoying their own sin.

A political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency, or simply to swell its numbers.

Actually, hannitized, DocDave is exactly right and - if you were being honest rather than belligerent - you would admit it.

Give me a break Bat.  How can he be exactly right when he is guessing about something someone does.  That is the most ridiculous thing you have ever said.

Further, providing evidence of Wright showing the love of man, sharing the word of the gospel matters not to you.  It wouldn’t mean a damned thing to you or him if we produced any sort of evidence that showed him appreciating America on the 4th of July.

What you guys have a hard time dealing with is that our country wasn’t perfect.  You can’t admit that because YOU have a problem, not me.

So Hannitized, hypothetically the Christian church should be against a woman who divorces her husband who is cheating on her or beating her?  I believe these are some of the exceptions that Proof was talking about.

The discussion was about McCain and Gingrich.  The two conservatives that belong to the party of Family Values and the Moral Majority.

Don’t try and distract from the discussion dougee.

So after you address the real discussion you can respond to my answer which is that wives should try to work through their husbands infidelity.  The Jehova witnesses require them to do so, why not the modern Christians?

Will you also now argue that we should execute homosexuals because it was commanded for those in the Old Testament to do so?

If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.  Leviticus 20:13

Look, I don’t have the patience to respond to your misinterpretations.  I could say the same thing.  The bible could be interpreted to suggest that man should beat their wives....so.  Please, spare me.

Simply put, voting for McCain would demonstrate a lack of principles and standards that they set for themselves.

The standard is set by God and therefore each individual is accountable to him alone for meeting it. 

My standard say that McCain’s failure does not disqualify him from holding office.

Well, except for the little problem that the bible, the supposed book John McCain holds close to his heart, doesn’t recognize Cindy as a wife, only as an adulterer.

The act of taking another wife is an act of adultery according to the bible, but she is also still his wife.

What it actually is called is holding you accountable to your own standards.

Ever the relative moralist.

What you guys have a hard time dealing with is that our country wasn’t perfect.

Not at all.  It is the left who has a hard time with the fact that self-evident truth is responsible for the greatest form of government in history and subsequently the greatest country in history.

The standard is set by God and therefore each individual is accountable to him alone for meeting it.

So then the Moral Majority, the group that handed Reagan the election is full of shit?

Moral Majority was an organization made up of conservative Christian political action committees which campaigned on issues its personnel believed were important to maintaining its Christian conception of moral law, a conception they believed represented the opinions of the majority of Americans (hence the movement’s name). With a membership of millions, the Moral Majority was one of the largest conservative lobby groups in the United States. During the 1980 presidential election, the Moral Majority is credited with giving Ronald Reagan two-thirds of the white evangelical vote, over Jimmy Carter.[3]

Ever the moral relativist.

The act of taking another wife is an act of adultery according to the bible, but she is also still his wife.

Taking your cousin or a 12yr old as a wife is still a wife. But it is still sinful and still lacking Christian morals.

It is the left who has a hard time with the fact that self-evident truth is responsible for the greatest form of government in history and subsequently the greatest country in history.

I think it was Barry Obama who gave the eloquent speeches on how great our country is, not McCain.

Your argument is full of holes.

So then the Moral Majority, the group that handed Reagan the election is full of shit?

No that would be you.

Taking your cousin or a 12yr old as a wife is still a wife. But it is still sinful and still lacking Christian morals.

And your point is?

I think it was Barry Obama who gave the eloquent speeches on how great our country is, not McCain.

Really?  All I hear is change is necessary and that change is more liberalism and subsequently less liberty.  According to Obama greatness comes from liberalism not liberty.  America has proven beyond a doubt (except in the imagination of liberals) that the opposite is true.

Gents,

In my view, it is a losing proposition to attempt to defend McCain’s actions as being something other than noble, vis-a-vis what the Bible holds.  Perhaps it is better to simply admit this as a failing and then draw back to look at the larger picture of what McCain has done or accomplished, versus those deeds or actions of his opponent.

That being said, those on the Left who revel in sticking their finger in the eyes of those who supposedly hold themselves to a higher or biblical standard have very little to boast about on their own part.

Christian Americans and Leftists are quite dissimilar and if it simply a matter of name-calling or one-upmanship, the Left certainly has an advantage, but this has been true for over 5,000 years.

You see, the Left hold themselves to a very different standard.  The love of country, the concept of self-sacrifice for other countrymen, the concept of worshipping a deity that holds them to a higher moral standard are all alien to them. 

The numbers of the Left are swollen by the likes of persons who like to engage in unnatural sex, debauchery, drug use, fraternizing with Americas’ enemies and refusing to serve when called.  The Red banner of the Left gives them a means of dignifying such behavior and cowardice behind the aegis of being liberated or progressive.

Whereas Christians sin, know they are sinning, they are supposed to feel guilty about it and seek to avoid it in the future.  For the Left, they revel in such behavior and nothing riles them quite so much as having such behavior judged as depraved, cowardly or non-patriotic.  How often have you heard don’t judge me! or Papa don’t preach.

But such a difference between groups has its precedents in recorded history.  Your typical Leftist, Hollywood celeb-u-slut or Berkeleyite would feel quite at home in the old Sodom or Gomorrah of ancient lore.

When they had not yet retired, and the people of the city, the people of Sodom, surrounded the house, both young and old, the entire populace from every end [of the city]. And they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, and let us have relations with them.”
-- Genesis 19:4-5

Sodom and other cities of the Plain, as well as other groups deemed worthy of destruction suffered from other shortcomings as well. 

(Jerusalem) and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.
-- Ezekiel 16:48-50

and

And GOD saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually.
...
The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.

And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

-- Gen 6:5, 11-12

Those sort of folks were commonly referred to in the Bible as Sons of Belial.

In The War of the Sons of Light Against the Sons of Darkness (1QM), one of the Dead Sea scrolls, Belial is the leader of the Sons of Darkness:

But for corruption thou hast made Belial, an angel of hostility. All his dominions are in darkness, and his purpose is to bring about wickedness and guilt. All the spirits that are associated with him are but angels of Sweed, a type of drug.

Sex, drugs and Rock and Roll?  I can easily see Mick Jagger, Madonna and Paris Hilton partying it up back then.

In early Christian writings, Belial was identified first as an angel of confusion and lust, created after Lucifer. Paradoxically, some apocrypha credit Belial as being the father of Lucifer and the angel that convinced him to wage a rebellion in Heaven against God, and that Belial was the first of the fallen angels to be expelled.

In the New Testament the word is used to refer to Satan when asked by St. Paul as to how Christ and Belial can agree. The passage in the Bible NIV states: “What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?” (2 Cor 6:15).

Since the Middle Ages he has been considered to be a powerful king of Hell that gives excellent familiars to his followers. As a demon he was said to have an agreeable aspect, and to induce to any type of sins, especially those related to sex and lust. Sebastien Michaelis states that Belial seduces by means of arrogance and his adversary is St. Francis of Paola; in this sense his name is translated as ”Lord of Arrogance” or ”Lord of Pride” (Baal ial).

Belial is also mentioned in the Fragments of a Zadokite Work (which) ... speak of (the) “three nets of Belial” which are said to be fornication, wealth, and pollution of the sanctuary.

In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes.
-- Judges 17:6

Now as they were making their hearts merry, behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial, beset the house round about, and beat at the door, and spake to the master of the house, the old man, saying, Bring forth the man that came into thine house, that we may know him.
-- Judges 19:22

I submit then, that we are debating with the modern-day Sons of Belial, which I think is pointless.  They are very different from us in many ways.

...for great justice

HG,

Surely you can admit that a large group of Conservatives bought into the concepts of the Moral Majority organization?  What about those people?  Does their beliefs that are based on the conception of Christian moral law matter?

Further, because McCain has a wife, doesn’t necessarily mean that she is a moral one, as told to us by the bible.  Even a 15yr old can be a wife to a man, doesn’t make it moral.

Hannitized arguing the Bible is like a pig discussing the virtues of link sausage over bacon. You suspect it hasn’t tasted either one!

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan