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Friday, February 16, 2007

Libby Trial - The Missing Update

Two weeks ago, in a Readers Post entitled “Rightwing Blackout On The Libby Trial?” Puzzlefeet wrote piously,

The news is interesting and not going well for Libby so far…Since no right wing blogs are writing on this I will try to keep you all updated.


Well, since that bit of partisan arrogance, we’ve heard absolutely nothing from her, or anyone significant on the Left, about the Libby trial. Perhaps it’s a conspiracy of silence?

Anyway, for those others who couldn’t count on her promise to keep us all updated, here’s what’s happened:

Both the prosecution and the defense have rested their respective cases. Andrea Mitchell, who had said publicly that everyone knew about Valerie, now denies that even she knew. She and the prosecution, with some assistance from the NBC legal department, were successful in keeping the defense from having her testify. FBI Agent Bond, who first interviewed Libby, couldn’t remember the details of the interview, but did reveal that she had not taped or otherwise recorded the interview, but had to rely instead on her handwritten notes. She then admitted that her notes were not accurate, and that she had not included some significant details, such as the fact that both Libby and his lawyer had asked her to include that he (Libby) didn’t recall all the details about which she asked, and requested his own notes on several conversations be included. (Presumably his notes, and memory were no worse than hers.)

Assistant Secretary of State, Richard Armitage, had apparently told nearly everyone, including Andrea Mitchell, about Valerie Plame and CIA. Bob Woodward said he had discussions with Walter Pincus about Valerie Plame, but Pincus denies that those conversations took place. Pincus testified that Ari Fleischer told him about Valerie, but Ari Fleischer denied that those conversations took place. Fleischer testified that he told John Dickerson about Valerie, but Dickerson denies it. Fleischer also said he told NBC’s David Gregory about Valerie, but Gregory’s boss, Tim Russert, denies this.

(Confused yet?)

Russert told the FBI in an affidavit that he may well have talked to Libby about Plame although he wasn't sure just when, but later he (Russert) said he couldn’t remember whether or not he had. Meanwhile, the prosecution is strangely unable to find the notes on FBI Agent Eckenrod’s interview with NBC’s Tim Russert, who had earlier indicated that he had not cooperated at all with the FBI and the prosecution. FBI Agent Bond, who worked under the supervision of Eckenrode, acknowledged under cross examination that his (Eckenrode’s) notes of the Libby interview differed substantially from her own.

Wilson was documented to have lied, as two memos which had not been made available to the Senate Select Committee were introduced by the defense. Together DX66.2 and DX 66.3 showed that the process of selecting Joe Wilson for the 2002 trip to Niger, at the suggestion of Valerie Plame, was under way the day before the briefing of VP Dick Cheney and before he,Cheney, had inquired about Niger and yellowcake.

Finally, we know that Bill Harlow, the former CIA spokesman who purportedly confirmed Valerie Plame’s CIA employment to Bob Novak, is now a paid consultant for NBC News. Whew!

Of course, it may well be that Libby will be convicted. Juries are tricky. Just ask Marsha Clark or Chris Darden. But with everyone from the FBI supervising agent right on down the line, unable to recall what was said, when, and to whom, anything less than an acquittal would be a complete travesty.

Clearly Prosecutor Fitzgerald has raised more questions than he answered, and has done a pretty lousy job presenting his “case” against Scooter Libby.

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Who’s on first?

electnixon on February 16, 2007 at 12:49 pm

I predict he gets his acquittal since any doubt about his guilt is surely reasonable. It will be interesting to see the results of a civil case where the burden of proof is looser.


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MikeAdamson on February 16, 2007 at 01:52 pm
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Mike, is that a self portrait?


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Rob on February 16, 2007 at 02:00 pm
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Mike, is that a self portrait?

I’ve been wondering the same thing.

HG on February 16, 2007 at 02:05 pm

B1, waiting for closing arguments.  Not much happened since there was no defense per se.

Puzzlefeet on February 16, 2007 at 02:10 pm

oh, and for the record B1,since I called you all out on ignoring the Libby trial, surprisingly Rob wrote on it and you wrote on it.  Hmmmm.....

So at least my post got you all to come out on it. And there will be more, don’t worry your pretty little head.

Puzzlefeet on February 16, 2007 at 02:19 pm

Puzzle,

Under the circumstances, that’s pretty lame… even for you.


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Bat One on February 16, 2007 at 02:20 pm

Of course you would say that B1.  It’s a good thing I care not what you say or think!

Puzzlefeet on February 16, 2007 at 02:31 pm

Puzzle,

You can try all you want to salvage what little dignity you can, but the facts say differently.

My post on the Libby trial was put together right along side the one on Joe Wilson’s lies.  Your only involvement was as a target, when you presented the opportunity to point out your own hypocrisy when you jumped Free’s case for his lack of follow-up.

as I said, Libby may well be convicted, though there is certainly ample room for reasonable doubt,and a conviction is unlikely to stand the scrutiny of appeal.

What I’m waiting for is the Joe and Valerie civil suit trial.  I’d love to know how much OFF money the French, may have been paying him, what role he may have played in the 1999 coup in Niger, what his relationship with Mohammed and Abdurahman Alamoudi may have been, and how he paid for that house at 4612 Charleston Tr.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on February 16, 2007 at 02:42 pm

B1,I’m not sure that he will be convicted.  Libby’s attorneys are very very good and they must have thought through their jury analysis that they were better off not putting Cheney/Libby on the stand. 

I am looking forward to the closing arguments to see if the prosecution points out that the defense didn’t do what they said they would do during their opening statements.  I’m sure they are going to make sure that the jury remembers the defense’s opening statement.

The defense will then argue that the P didn’t make their case, so there was no need to put on Libby/Cheney.  It should be an interesting closing argument on both sides.

If there is a conviction and subsequent, it is my prediction that Bush will pardon Libby on his way out of office before the appeal is settled or heard.

Puzzlefeet on February 16, 2007 at 03:49 pm

It’s a good thing I care not what you say or think!

Puzzle,

Nonsense, Dearie!!!  You have certainly cared when you thought you had the better of any of us on/in the Right.

As for Libby, while we certainly learned a lot that we didn’t know before, its tough to see why there was a trial at all.  Heaven knows Fitzpatrick hasn’t proven his case.  There was no IIPA violation… that’s been clear from the beginning.  And despite the fervent wishes of youse guys on the Left, there’s been no demonstration of any retaliatory White House conspiracy to get Wilson.  The FBI and prosecution knew that Armitage had “leaked” (if that’s the correct word) to Novak within two months of the start of the investigation.

So what the hell was the point?


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on February 16, 2007 at 05:18 pm

I believe the charge was perjury.


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MikeAdamson on February 16, 2007 at 05:52 pm

Rob...thanks for noticing the new chapeau. You’ll be glad to know that the black helicopter isn’t following me anymore.


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MikeAdamson on February 16, 2007 at 05:55 pm

MikeA,

Perjury and obstruction, I believe.  ‘Course its tough proving either when your witnesses come across as more Keystone Kops than Goren and Eames.

As for the chapeau, you ought to be able to channel the Northern Lights with that thing.  Must be all kinds of exciting in a thunderstorm.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on February 16, 2007 at 06:16 pm

MikeAdamson:

You’ll be glad to know that the black helicopter isn’t following me anymore.

Black helicopters are so 20th century.  We don’t use those for surveillance any more.  Nowadays it’s 100% UAVs, like this one:Cypher-UAV.JPG
That’s probably why you haven’t seen a black helicopter following you anymore.

And the aluminum material is ineffective for what you’re trying to do.  First of all, it has a nice radar signature (most of our domestic surveillance UAVs are outfitted with radar to track the tin hatters).  Secondly, again so 20th century, and we have electro-acoustic beams that bypass the protective aspects of tin-foil hats.

Pull yourself into the 21 century with a hat made of mu metal.  Here’s a link that describes a hat that may work. The nanocarbon described on that page is junk science, it wouldn’t do anything useful for those of you that are targets for mind controlling beam weapons.

And of course make sure to do your research Let me know if you need help finding a vendor that will supply you the mu-metal (don’t just choose any vendor, because some of them are linked to the defense industry.)

Hm… is a disclaimer really necessary --> wink wink wink

Carrick on February 16, 2007 at 09:32 pm
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oh, and for the record B1,since I called you all out on ignoring the Libby trial, surprisingly Rob wrote on it and you wrote on it.

When did I post on the Libby trial?  Other than to excerpt an op/ed I liked with detailed why the Libby trial has been a collasal waste of everyone’s time.

Are you really trying to suggest, Puzzle, that your post somehow embarrassed me into action?

Get real.  My only interest in the Libby trial is in documenting how lame all the hype has been.


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Rob on February 17, 2007 at 12:22 am

There are no Black Helicopters.

It was a figment of your imagination.

Those are just reflections of Venus in the night air, or a weather balloon, or even a radar reflector, besides, if you believe in them, you must be paranoid.


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Move_Zig on February 17, 2007 at 01:01 am

Thank you Carrick...you seem well read in the subject which actually kind of unnerves me.


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MikeAdamson on February 17, 2007 at 02:08 am

So you did post on the Libby trial after I did.  That was my point Rob. The fact remains that after I called you out on it suddenly both you and B1 posted on the Libby trial when you had previously ignored it.

Puzzlefeet on February 17, 2007 at 06:20 am

What happened of interest in this trial before the last few days? Nothing. He said, she said that contradicted itself. I read plenty about it at BBC and Xinhua, powerline has done an excellent job staying on the subject, that crew is lawyer heavey, the Talkingheads in the omni-directional sludgepump blahblahed on and on and made about as much sense as the testimony. So why was Rob required to post about it on a schedule of your dictating?


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2Hotel9 on February 17, 2007 at 07:11 am

So why was Rob required to post about it on a schedule of your dictating?

2H9,

She’s just trying to salvage some modest amount of self-respect after she was caught having promised to keep up all “up to date” and didn’t deliver.  I was just waiting for her to show up and make a smart remark about follow-up or responsiveness as she did to Free.  This is called shift the focus.  Liberals do it all the time when they get caught.  You know that!


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on February 17, 2007 at 02:13 pm

HEY!!

What’s that over there?


Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.

John Stuart Mill

MikeAdamson on February 17, 2007 at 03:03 pm

Well, as the questionable convictions of the 2 border patrol agents shows, truth is not a barrier but a minor inconvenience to any Federal case.  If the Feds don’t have the facts they usually resort to character assasination.  So, bat, has there been any adverse prosecutorial issues raised concerning Libbys character?


You don’t have to be a moron to be a liberal Democrat but it sure helps.

docdave on February 17, 2007 at 03:35 pm

Doc,

Before the indictments and trial, most people outside Washington had no idea who, or what, a “Scooter” Libby was.  Libby’s argument throughout is that he didn’t recall all the details of the conversations he was asked about when interviewed by the FBI.  It turns out, neither Agent Bond nor her supervisor, Agent Eckenrod, had any better recall of those interviews than Libby had of the conversations (several years older) asked him during the interviews.

I’m as baffled by the fact that Fitzgerald went ahead with the prosecution and trial as I am about anything.  The “outing” of Valerie Plame was not a violation of the law, nor was there any shred of evidence offered that there was some sort of White House conspiracy to “get” Joe Wilson.

Fact is, Wilson’s whole storyline was about as fictitious as “Fitzmas.” And Libby has pretty much just stayed calm, under control, and kept on down the road.  Uder the circumstances, he’ certainly earned my respect.


“Poverty of goods is easily cured; poverty of the mind is irreparable.”

Bat One on February 17, 2007 at 05:46 pm
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