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K,
What’s your position?

“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another...it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
Saint-Exupéry

Laydownsally,

Often on such issues, I don’t necessarily chime in my own two cents. I just let the duplicity speak for itself.

And without giving my own perspective on waterboardings, I think it’s pathetic that these two people can consider it torture, and not even bother to vote on it. That shows a great lack of courage, and inability to lead.

It also shows that neither or them have any personal convictions and are terrified of voting, whether it’s a yes (in case we have another attack and they could be held accountable) or no (the anti-Iraq war crowd would have their heads).

The equivalence of Che Guevara and Adolph Hitler is a valid one. And in many ways Che was a worse monster. While Hitler sat back and let underlings do his dirty work, Che did much of the killing himself and personally trained the execution squads who did the rest. He personally murdered political opponents, whereas Hitler outsourced that duty.

When we look at the “socialist paradise” that is Cuba, we must remember that a sizable share of the misery those people suffer is directly attributable to Che Guevara bringing Castro into power, and giving him many of the policies that have caused so much pain. The real symbol of Che should be the raft, to remind us of all those who have died on rafts in the ocean trying to escape the Cuban nightmare and get to freedom. And had he not been killed, begging for his life like a coward, he would’ve done the same thing again and again in countries all throughout Latin and South America. His actions have inspired terrorists across a continent and caused countless deaths.

Every leftist who celebrates Che is celebrating a murderer, a monster, and a Marxist who is directly and indirectly responsible for wide spread murder, starvation and fascist states. They may as well worship Hitler, because the two men shared not only an ideology, but results. And Che never got the trains to run on time.

Thank you for your answer, Kenny.

The reason I ask was, although speaking out against it on the campaign trail, I doubt if either one would hesitate to implement it in a national emergency.

The cost to either one politically would be to great if an event happen which questioned their ability to handle national security.

That, in and by itself, would tell more of about their convictions, than the vote alone.

“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another...it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
Saint-Exupéry

Which makes their criticism of the current administration nothing but political grandstanding.

Either way you go, this was shameful. If waterboarding is torture, (and they’re right), then this vote sold out the principles of the united states, and they’re allowing torture to occur. If they don’t believe it’s torture, then they shouldn’t be villifying the US and trying to shame the current crop o’ leader-critters.

One of the criteria we should use to elect our leaders is: how well they come through on what they believe in. And neither Hillary nor Empty Obama are proving true to their beliefs here. They have both identified this as a major issue, yet both are sitting the fence and trying to play both sides.

The equivalence of Che Guevara and Adolph Hitler is a valid one. And in many ways Che was a worse monster. While Hitler sat back and let underlings do his dirty work, Che did much of the killing himself and personally trained the execution squads who did the rest. He personally murdered political opponents, whereas Hitler outsourced that duty.

When we look at the “socialist paradise” that is Cuba, we must remember that a sizable share of the misery those people suffer is directly attributable to Che Guevara bringing Castro into power, and giving him many of the policies that have caused so much pain. The real symbol of Che should be the raft, to remind us of all those who have died on rafts in the ocean trying to escape the Cuban nightmare and get to freedom. And had he not been killed, begging for his life like a coward, he would’ve done the same thing again and again in countries all throughout Latin and South America. His actions have inspired terrorists across a continent and caused countless deaths.

Every leftist who celebrates Che is celebrating a murderer, a monster, and a Marxist who is directly and indirectly responsible for wide spread murder, starvation and fascist states. They may as well worship Hitler, because the two men shared not only an ideology, but results. And Che never got the trains to run on time.

They should have voted.

Your boy flip flopped. (What delight!)
But our two should have voted.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

our two should have voted.

On FISA, only one of your two voted:

Hillary Clinton was even worse.  She didn’t show up to vote.  This was the most important national security vote in her Senate career.  And, even though the campaign would not excuse her from doing her job in any event, the Potomac Primary was in the DC area.  McCain and Obama managed to get to the Hill without difficulty.  Not Clinton.  She has no excuse.  The craven decision not to vote — not to be accountable — was calculated ... and this from the candidate who slammed Obama for ducking the tough votes as an Illinois legislator.

Andy McCarthy
Hillary was MIA (What delight!)Obama merely voted against the best interests of the security of our country.

Sen. McCain did the right thing and voted in favor of the Senate bill overhauling FISA and preserving our ability to collect intelligence against the enemy.

Sen. Obama voted against it.  Mind you, the bill — which is chockablock with too many terrorist protections and thus far from perfect — passed by an overwhelming bipartisan margin, 68-29

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

They should have voted.
Your boy flip flopped. (What delight!)
But our two should have voted.

I’m not a McCain supporter.

And, Bob, why is that delightful?

If you are of the opinion that waterboarding is torture, which in your other posts you seem to be, there is nothing “delightful” about someone voting to keep torture legal.

Are you telling me that it’s awesome that “my guy” voted against making waterboarding illegal simply so you can use that as a campaign slogan? Cause that’s pretty sick Bob.

The equivalence of Che Guevara and Adolph Hitler is a valid one. And in many ways Che was a worse monster. While Hitler sat back and let underlings do his dirty work, Che did much of the killing himself and personally trained the execution squads who did the rest. He personally murdered political opponents, whereas Hitler outsourced that duty.

When we look at the “socialist paradise” that is Cuba, we must remember that a sizable share of the misery those people suffer is directly attributable to Che Guevara bringing Castro into power, and giving him many of the policies that have caused so much pain. The real symbol of Che should be the raft, to remind us of all those who have died on rafts in the ocean trying to escape the Cuban nightmare and get to freedom. And had he not been killed, begging for his life like a coward, he would’ve done the same thing again and again in countries all throughout Latin and South America. His actions have inspired terrorists across a continent and caused countless deaths.

Every leftist who celebrates Che is celebrating a murderer, a monster, and a Marxist who is directly and indirectly responsible for wide spread murder, starvation and fascist states. They may as well worship Hitler, because the two men shared not only an ideology, but results. And Che never got the trains to run on time.

K,

With due respect, you wouldn’t chime in with your two cents worth and now you make this statement:

If waterboarding is torture, (and they’re right), then this vote sold out the principles of the united states, and they’re allowing torture to occur.

You believe waterboarding is torture and we shouldn’t be using it. Is that correct?

“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another...it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
Saint-Exupéry

They should have voted.
Your boy flip flopped. (What delight!)
But our two should have voted.

Do you seriously think they didn’t know the outcome already?  There votes were not needed so they didn’t break their already busy schedules for meaningless votes.  They already have stated positions that they will end the practice when elected, so what is the point.

I know I know

But a vote is more than a stump speech.
I don’t know where they were or what their schedule was, but IMO they should have been there.

LDS - you are using this as you signature?

You can squawk all you want about habeas corpus for terrorists, wiretapping, etc, but at some point you must accept that our enemies will stop at nothing to remove those rights, and that there is a point where these rights are better served by an aggressive gov’t than by one whose hands are tied by a strict adherence to the theoretical.

So the terrorists are stopping at nothing to remove those rights – but our government shouldn’t have its hands tied aggressively protecting those rights because it’s ok for them to act like terrorists and remove those rights to fight the terrorists who want to remove those rights?

So now our laws are theoretical…what drivel. Why do you hate America?

Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires—a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we’re talking about chasing down terrorists, we’re talking about getting a court order before we do so. It’s important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution.

W

Except when W chooses to ignore the Constitution he claims to value so much.

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

There (sic) votes were not needed so they didn’t break their already busy schedules for meaningless votes.

Meaningless votes? So when your candidates take a stand for or against something, it doesn’t mean anything? Instructive!

And, of course, why should the duties we pay them for get in the way of their “busy schedules”?
/sarcasm

For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

McCain Misses 42nd Straight Vote ... and Counting

Sen. John McCain (R-Campaign Trail) missed another vote today on a resolution related to the Iraq war, skipping a procedural move on a war funding measure in favor of hitting the campaign trail in New York.

…If McCain misses the next three votes—the $2.9 trillion fiscal 2008 budget is likely to be voted on this afternoon—he will officially have been absent for 50 percent of the more than 170 roll calls held in the chamber so far in the 110th Congress.

McCain Misses Vote on Economic Stimulus

“If a conservative is still a republican after the last 13 years, he is blind to the fact that his party of choice has failed him utterly.” – Realitybasedbob

I’m not complaining.  The more votes Clinton/Obama miss the better… for the country that is. 

It’ll likely be Obama/Clinton come May.

RBB: And your point is what?  That it would be better to put the fate of our nation in the hands of Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton; either of whom will be aided and abetted by an expanded liberal congress? Is that the message of your latest post?

“It is better to be smart than be clever .”

"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

The stakes are high. Whether the issue is the economy, or energy, or the federal courts or national security, the right answers are coming not from the Democrats, but from the Republicans. The surge of operations that began a year ago is succeeding. The only way to lose this fight is to quit. Richard M. Cheney, Vice President, 30 May, 2008

RBB

So the terrorists are stopping at nothing to remove those rights – but our government shouldn’t have its hands tied aggressively protecting those rights because it’s ok for them to act like terrorists and remove those rights to fight the terrorists who want to remove those rights?

Who said it was okay for our Goverment to act like terrorist?

And just when did you feel our goverment did act in that way?

“To love is not to stare steadfast at one another...it is to look forward, in the same direction.”
Saint-Exupéry

With due respect, you wouldn’t chime in with your two cents worth and now you make this statement:

You believe waterboarding is torture and we shouldn’t be using it. Is that correct?

I still haven’t chimes in with my two cents. And I also played the other side of the fence. Mainly because, eitehr way you go it’s shameful. Here, I’ll rewrite the sentence for you:

If you believe waterboarding is torture (and [you believe] they [Obama and Hillary] are right)…

It’s a simple compund sentence. Nothing more.

Do you seriously think they didn’t know the outcome already?  There votes were not needed so they didn’t break their already busy schedules for meaningless votes.  They already have stated positions that they will end the practice when elected, so what is the point.

That they couldn’t be bothered to show up to end what they have made quite clear is torture in their minds shows what worthless leaders they are. What if it had gone the other way? Hmmm? Talking about some political pardoning.

So the terrorists are stopping at nothing to remove those rights – but our government shouldn’t have its hands tied aggressively protecting those rights because it’s ok for them to act like terrorists and remove those rights to fight the terrorists who want to remove those rights?

You have made it quite clear that Republicans voting to continue the practice OF TORTURE is “delightful”. By your own words, the Republicans are acting like terrorists. But any right wing vote to keep such measures in place are “delightful”.

Pro-lifers never call Democrat votes to keep abortion legal/extend abortion “delightful”. No death penalty opponent ever calls votes to keep it in play “delightful”. So how are we to take you seriously? When you treat it as nothing more than a game.

The equivalence of Che Guevara and Adolph Hitler is a valid one. And in many ways Che was a worse monster. While Hitler sat back and let underlings do his dirty work, Che did much of the killing himself and personally trained the execution squads who did the rest. He personally murdered political opponents, whereas Hitler outsourced that duty.

When we look at the “socialist paradise” that is Cuba, we must remember that a sizable share of the misery those people suffer is directly attributable to Che Guevara bringing Castro into power, and giving him many of the policies that have caused so much pain. The real symbol of Che should be the raft, to remind us of all those who have died on rafts in the ocean trying to escape the Cuban nightmare and get to freedom. And had he not been killed, begging for his life like a coward, he would’ve done the same thing again and again in countries all throughout Latin and South America. His actions have inspired terrorists across a continent and caused countless deaths.

Every leftist who celebrates Che is celebrating a murderer, a monster, and a Marxist who is directly and indirectly responsible for wide spread murder, starvation and fascist states. They may as well worship Hitler, because the two men shared not only an ideology, but results. And Che never got the trains to run on time.