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Monday, June 16, 2008

LA Times: “Bush never lied to us about Iraq”

By James Kirchick

The administration simply got bad intelligence. Critics are wrong to assert deception.

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The memory of this gaffe reverberates in the contemporary rhetoric of many Democrats, who, when attacking the Bush administration’s case for war against Saddam Hussein, employ essentially the same argument. In 2006, John F. Kerry explained the Senate’s 77-23 passage of the Iraq war resolution this way: “We were misled. We were given evidence that was not true.” On the campaign trail, Hillary Rodham Clinton dodged blame for her pro-war vote by claiming that “the mistakes were made by this president, who misled this country and this Congress.”

Nearly every prominent Democrat in the country has repeated some version of this charge, and the notion that the Bush administration deceived the American people has become the accepted narrative of how we went to war.

Yet in spite of all the accusations of White House “manipulation”—that it pressured intelligence analysts into connecting Hussein and Al Qaeda and concocted evidence about weapons of mass destruction—administration critics continually demonstrate an inability to distinguish making claims based on flawed intelligence from knowingly propagating falsehoods.

In 2004, the Senate Intelligence Committee unanimously approved a report acknowledging that it “did not find any evidence that administration officials attempted to coerce, influence or pressure analysts to change their judgments.” The following year, the bipartisan Robb-Silberman report similarly found “no indication that the intelligence community distorted the evidence regarding Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction.”

Contrast those conclusions with the Senate Intelligence Committee report issued June 5, the production of which excluded Republican staffers and which only two GOP senators endorsed. In a news release announcing the report, committee Chairman John D. Rockefeller IV got in this familiar shot: “Sadly, the Bush administration led the nation into war under false pretenses.”

Yet Rockefeller’s highly partisan report does not substantiate its most explosive claims. Rockefeller, for instance, charges that “top administration officials made repeated statements that falsely linked Iraq and Al Qaeda as a single threat and insinuated that Iraq played a role in 9/11.” Yet what did his report actually find? That Iraq-Al Qaeda links were “substantiated by intelligence information.” The same goes for claims about Hussein’s possession of biological and chemical weapons, as well as his alleged operation of a nuclear weapons program.

Four years on from the first Senate Intelligence Committee report, war critics, old and newfangled, still don’t get that a lie is an act of deliberate, not unwitting, deception. If Democrats wish to contend they were “misled” into war, they should vent their spleen at the CIA.

In 2003, top Senate Democrats—not just Rockefeller but also Carl Levin, Clinton, Kerry and others—sounded just as alarmist. Conveniently, this month’s report, titled “Whether Public Statements Regarding Iraq by U.S. Government Officials Were Substantiated by Intelligence Information,” includes only statements by the executive branch. Had it scrutinized public statements of Democrats on the Intelligence, Foreign Relations and Armed Services committees—who have access to the same intelligence information as the president and his chief advisors—many senators would be unable to distinguish their own words from what they today characterize as warmongering.

This may sound like ancient history, but it matters. After Sept. 11, President Bush did not want to risk allowing Hussein, who had twice invaded neighboring nations, murdered more than 1 million Iraqis and stood in violation of 16 U.N. Security Council resolutions, to remain in possession of what he believed were stocks of chemical and biological warheads and a nuclear weapons program. By glossing over this history, the Democrats’ lies-led-to-war narrative provides false comfort in a world of significant dangers.

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A leftie journalist tells the truth; I expect him to get the “Joe Lieberman treatment” soon.

Comments

Good post.


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pparets on June 16, 2008 at 01:08 pm

Right you are R108,

The most infuriating and disingenuous aspect of the Leftist repeated lie that Bush Lied is that it presumes Intelligence to be 100 percent accurate.

Whether at peace or at war, intelligence is, at best, an educated guess.  You are, in effect, constructing an entire dinosaur from the information presented by a single toe-bone someone has dug up. 

It is elicitation, or a best guess of what X comprises when given the equation

A + B = X

We elicit information from signals taken from the ether (SIGINT), taken by their form, content and composition, translated foreign language traffic (COMINT) , imagery taken by ground troops, aircraft and satellite (IMINT) , as well as information gleaned from informers, spies and PW’s (HUMINT) , along with a raft of other forms of intelligence.

Making it more interesting are the enemy’s efforts at countering your collection efforts by security and deception measures (Counter-Intel) .

So by the time the Intel chief has to brief the commander as to what the given tactical or strategic situation may be, he usually has a range of best guesses as to what the enemy intents and capabilities may be.

This is not a court of law. 

This is an intelligence estimate.  The standard of proof is not beyond a reasonable doubt.  The standard is, what sort of damage can occur if I don’t act on this intelligence, up to an including the destruction of the country itself, or an important ally.

If you have intelligence (see the above) which has proven reliable in the past and you are presented with a clear and present danger, as C-in-C, Bush would have been remiss not to act on the intelligence he was presented with.

It is sheer, filthy, anti-USA political posturing to treat his actions by any other approach.

The US-based Leftists in Congress and in the MSM knew or should have known how intelligence is gathered and how it should be handled and considered.

They really are traitors to the USA, and I do despise them.


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Move_Zig on June 16, 2008 at 01:23 pm

this just gives us a fibbing regression. same old move. same move they tried with torture (which was subsequently debunked). a ‘trickle up’ scenario.


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Sparkie Arbuckle on June 16, 2008 at 01:33 pm

also, if the information was false, bush might not have lied, but rockefeller can say this “Sadly, the Bush administration led the nation into war under false pretenses” and be correct. it is sad.


rasberry

Sparkie Arbuckle on June 16, 2008 at 01:35 pm

Move_Zig: 

The standard is, what sort of damage can occur if I don’t act on this intelligence?

Exactly right!  Would that Bill Clinton had followed this standard!


"Here lies, in honored glory, an American soldier, known but to God.”

“As a conservative, I will not be overly enthusiastic about voting for John McCain on November 4 - but I will be sprinting to the polling place to do so!”
Matthew May, conservative commentator, The American Spectator

pparets on June 16, 2008 at 01:38 pm

what sort of damage can occur if I don’t act on this intelligence?

like the intelligence about plane attacks condi began ignoring in june 2001?


rasberry

Sparkie Arbuckle on June 16, 2008 at 02:26 pm

So let’s see…

So far the Chicago Tribune, the Washington comPost, and now the L. A. goodTimesthrough chemistry, none of which are friends of the right (to put it far more mildly than any of the three deserve) have all acknowledged that “Bush Lied” is a calumny. 

Yet still there are fools, poltroons, and God-damned liars insisting that “Bush Lied” is not itself a damn lie.


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Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
Latin: “Furthermore, Parthia (Persia aka modern day Iran) should be destroyed.”

Rodney Graves on June 16, 2008 at 03:39 pm

like the intelligence about plane attacks condi began ignoring in june 2001?

Clinton ignored Al Qaeda after the ‘93 WTC attack, which created the whole thing, culminating in 9/11.


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robert108 on June 16, 2008 at 03:52 pm

like the intelligence about plane attacks condi began ignoring in june 2001?

Al- Qa’ida members - including same who are U.S. citizens - have resided in or traveled to the U.S. for years, and the group apparently maintains a support structure that could aid attacks.

Two al- Qa’ida members found guilty in the conspiracy to bomb our embassies in East Africa were U.S. citizens, and a senior EIJ member lived in California in the mid-1990s.

A clandestine source said in 1998 that a Bin Laden cell in New York was recruiting Muslim-American youth for attacks.

We have not been able to corroborate some of the more sensational threat reporting, such as that from a [deleted text] service in 1998 saying that Bin Laden wanted to hijack a U.S. aircraft to gain the release of “Blind Shaykh” ‘Umar’ Abd aI-Rahman and other US-held extremists.

Nevertheless, FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York.

The FBI is conducting approximately 70 full field investigations throughout the U.S. that it considers Bin Laden-related. CIA and the FBI are investigating a call to our embassy in the UAE in May saying that a group or Bin Laden supporters was in the U.S. planning attacks with explosives.

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realitybasedbob on June 16, 2008 at 04:12 pm

“All right. You’ve covered your ass, now.”

And you’re still trying to cover Clinton’s ass; he was the one responsible for enabling 9/11.


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robert108 on June 16, 2008 at 04:20 pm

No, your boy bush ignored the threat.
He has blood on his hands.


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realitybasedbob on June 16, 2008 at 04:23 pm
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No, your boy bush ignored the threat.
He has blood on his hands.

Further evidence that reality has nothing to do with bob and vice versa!



For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Proof on June 16, 2008 at 04:28 pm

No, your boy bush ignored the threat.
He has blood on his hands.

Another leftie lie; your boy Clinton ignored the terrorists, and the blood of thousands is on his hands, and it isn’t over yet.


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robert108 on June 16, 2008 at 10:29 pm

No, your boy bush ignored the threat.
He has blood on his hands.

I believe you’re right ole boy! The blood of a few hundred terrorist!

That, by the way, pales to what you (and Billyboy) have on your hands...I’d aviod shaking hands with RBB guys...yeechh...are you French RBB?


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laydownSally on June 16, 2008 at 10:40 pm

We’ve had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the September 11th.

bush
September 17, 2003

Bush-Truly not concerned

“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”

bush
August 5, 2004

Criminal.


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realitybasedbob on June 16, 2008 at 11:02 pm

It’s an amazing and incredible exhibition of utter gall by Leftists for them to argue so vociferosly from a position of absolute ignorance.

I would venture that those pointing the fingers and shouting the loudest have never worn combat boots in the service of their country, much less seen the inside of an S-shop (intelligence section) of any military unit, nor its civilian General Schedule equivalent.

If they had, they would understand that intelligence gathering is a very time-intensive, inexact practice—really more an art than science.  A kabuki dance, and as it has been described, a war in the shadows.

If they had such a perspective, they would understand that voice-intercepts are often collected far more quickly than analyzed and the translations are often not in real-time, but done after days, weeks or months have elapsed.

Even once the plain language has been translated, those words being used by the spied-upon may be couched in phrases meant to cloud their ultimate meaning (anyone remember the WWII Japanese code-word for a particular island as ‘pineapple? ‘ )

Also, they would know that there is intelligence, hinting that there may be an attack somewhere soon and actionable intelligence, which provides who, what, when and where.

Lastly, what the truth is may never be told: don’t they recall that Sandy Berger was caught and pled guilty to smuggling 9/11-related documents in his socks from the National Archives, making sure that the smoking gun documents from the Clinton administration never saw the light of day?

The hypocrisy of Leftist pukes disgusts me.


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Move_Zig on June 17, 2008 at 12:21 am
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Criminal.

All your linkin’ without thinkin’? Probably, but we love you anyway, boob!



For any voter trying to choose between the two candidates for commander in chief, there is no better test than this: When American strategy in a critical theater was up for grabs, John McCain proposed a highly unpopular and risky path, which he accurately predicted could lead to success. Barack Obama proposed a popular and politically safe route that would have led to an unnecessary and debilitating American defeat at the hands of al Qaeda.

Frederick W. Kagan

Proof on June 17, 2008 at 05:25 am

Move_Zig.  You are one who understands intelligence and how it translates into operational actions.  It is not a lie if you quote your source.  It shows integrity when you review those sources with 20/20 and then improve your intelligence.
It is wrong to not allow our intelligence agencies to exchange information, Jamie.


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Chief RZ on June 17, 2008 at 08:22 am

Or the AP journalist in Europe who reported and documented WMDs in Iraq.

I expect him to get the “Joe Lieberman treatment” soon.

When The Truth is told, liberals get very upset, just like my students who confronted me the next day after I told “lies” about them.  I had told their parents just a sample of their behaviors.  Twisted to be sure, childish and liars were many of them who were hiding drug abuse and immoral sexual behaviors.


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Chief RZ on June 17, 2008 at 08:26 am

How shocking.  Our roll of dishonor (”...fools, poltroons, and God-damned liars insisting that “Bush Lied” is not itself a damn lie) seems limited to sparkless-arse-fuckin-buckle (who promptly fled) and “blackwater"boob who continued to flog the thoroughly deceased equine of the “Bush Lied” meme.


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Ceterum censeo Parthia esse delendam
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Rodney Graves on June 18, 2008 at 07:27 am
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